So Clergham how do I not comply with going to non essential shops, pubs, and restaurants if they are closed?
How do I not comply if being told I must work from home , which most here can, etc, etc. The next lockdown will be more based in statute as opposed to guidance. As a Solicitor I suspect you will unreservedly comply with the law, and probably mostly the guidance.
As Ebitda says, if everything is forced to lockdown again except essential stores, we as citizens won't have a choice but to comply with it in most respects as things won't be open and unless we quit, we'll need to work from home.
What we can do is 1) peaceful protest & assembly 2) leave the house and see whoever we want to see, legally or not 3) write our MPs telling them this is ridiculous 4) for some of us, leave the country altogether for more sane pastures
Funny how you have severe mask anxiety (which is less than the anxiety caused by not wearing a mask) and also are in absolute fucking denial about all measures (including use of hand sanitizer) to reduce infection. And also not going to comply. It's almost as if you're entirely full of shit.
Govt can't afford the cost of another lockdown. Full stop. Their ability to fund the last one was because all other countries were doing this - they are about to push the country off a financial cliff anyway, so sterling will drop, the risk premium on gilts will increase etc. If they want to do it they will have to defer Brexit.
Clergham " things will stay open" . You mean like the first lockdown!!? You cannot go to a place which has been forced to close by Law.
Businesses will not open if they are told to close, simple. The only non compliance one can realistically do is visiting people from other households, should they be so minded.
I first heard about the October lockdown before I was furloughed so back before Easter. They've been telling schools and hospitals for months to plan for another shutdown because they want to be in a position where if it's needed they can do it in an orderly manner with contingency plans in place to avoid the chaos we had in March. However, I suspect the old nudge unit is working on the basis that lots of talk about a lockdown will be enough to persuade people to continue being cautious so it's not necessary.
abbeywell - you support young people never having the opportunities you had, just so your wide welsh arse can feel misplacedly safe for a decade or two more
how rude and heteronormative of u, bam, what would hackney say
abbeywell - you said yourself you got enormously fat during lockdown so u will forgive me if I reckon you just didn't go outside and therefore don't realise what was going on in your own neighbourhood
just to reiiterate - this disease isn't that bad and some people have the common sense to know it
I have my and only holiday booked for Oct so yeah lockdown a cert.
we did know this from the start, the Ferguson model said November for another surge right at the outset and they have not yet published anything to say that is revised.
Honestly, if we do another indefinite full national lockdown I'll be weighing up going back to Canada for my own sanity at least temporarily. I can't take another one. Problem is, Canaduh is even more afraid than the average Brit, despite the virus really not having much of a health impact there - absolute numbers or per capita outside of a few Quebec and Ontario nursing homes that skewed national numbers they were so bad.
Also loads of businesses have taken govt backed loans based on COVID look-through tests. If their businesses have to operate with lockdown for another year, the govt will have to pay on the guarantees in cash. Even if they are factoring in a default rate in accounting for that now, it is likely to be way too low. The deficit is already at 15% i.e. where Greece was at its worst - if other countries are operating because they are not governed by clowns, who is going to buy UK debt?
I think the death of the magic money tree is about to bring in the hard choices govt has been evading for 4 months. Worst case the economically unproductive will be shielded. If it were up to me, I'd be telling the supermarkets to get ready to be compelled to switch all deliveries to shielded people, funding continued protection of them through means testing the state pension.
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its gonna happen, agreed
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it only happens if you comply
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I won't comply
and I know a fair few who won't either
I would strongly encourage you not to
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I should also say, a national lockdown cannot happen because people would quite literally starve to death
and I am sure even the most hardened vuvuzealot would baulk at having no food for their kids
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So Clergham how do I not comply with going to non essential shops, pubs, and restaurants if they are closed?
How do I not comply if being told I must work from home , which most here can, etc, etc. The next lockdown will be more based in statute as opposed to guidance. As a Solicitor I suspect you will unreservedly comply with the law, and probably mostly the guidance.
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As Ebitda says, if everything is forced to lockdown again except essential stores, we as citizens won't have a choice but to comply with it in most respects as things won't be open and unless we quit, we'll need to work from home.
What we can do is 1) peaceful protest & assembly 2) leave the house and see whoever we want to see, legally or not 3) write our MPs telling them this is ridiculous 4) for some of us, leave the country altogether for more sane pastures
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Form is temporary, class permanent.
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I have held onto the contact information of the barber I got an illicit haircut from, in anticipation of a second lockdown ...
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businesses shouldn’t comply either
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things will stay open, just look for them and support them
see your friends and family, most importantly
if they close down outside, go inside
do NOT accept any sort of forcible isolation
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and "as a solicitor"
Jesus
"I would love to disapprove of the social strictures that are causing deaths and permanent mutilations right now but the regulatory body!"
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i really doubt we'll see another national lockdown
they do seem to be getting horned up about the "no-one can cross the M25" idea though, so that will probably happen at some stage.
it's an exciting thing of the kind that might happen in a film and it will make them feel very important ordering it, so it's quite likely.
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Funny how you have severe mask anxiety (which is less than the anxiety caused by not wearing a mask) and also are in absolute fucking denial about all measures (including use of hand sanitizer) to reduce infection. And also not going to comply. It's almost as if you're entirely full of shit.
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it's almost as though you are covered in shit from having shit the bed on a daily basis since March
covid isn't that bad and everyone will get it
so no I won't go out of my way at all to stop it - no masks, no nasty sanitiser, no "reducing social interactions"
lockdown is on another tier, though. I would not mind being shot to stop that.
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Govt can't afford the cost of another lockdown. Full stop. Their ability to fund the last one was because all other countries were doing this - they are about to push the country off a financial cliff anyway, so sterling will drop, the risk premium on gilts will increase etc. If they want to do it they will have to defer Brexit.
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There will NOT be another national lockdown - expect rolling local lockdowns however.
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I’d begin to have a shred of respect for the government if it did that, given that Farage and co are powerless in the face of economic meltdown.
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Guy - Manchester is going to demonstrate that this won't work
unless they obscure coverage, I suppose
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National lockdown NOW please
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Clergham " things will stay open" . You mean like the first lockdown!!? You cannot go to a place which has been forced to close by Law.
Businesses will not open if they are told to close, simple. The only non compliance one can realistically do is visiting people from other households, should they be so minded.
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clergham what is nasty about sanatiser
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clergham you said you were going mad at the lack of interaction with people outside your home, so you complied then.....
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places stayed open round me
quietly and subtly
hairdressers, cafes, the occasional pub
I think this time there will be less shock and fear
people are more confident lying to the police (the effects of THAT will be interesting for some future policy historian to map)
and more people have nothing to lose
when it was "3 weeks to save the NHS" some people believed that
now it is clearly "this could be many years and fuck you and all the things you will lose in that time"
so
it's absolutely on between the fearful and those who won't give any more
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ebitda - I didn't say that at all
I interacted quite a bit
but I did worry about people who lived alone and didnt have nearby friends like me
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I don't mean because I am an amazing friend, just that lots of people only had "one true disease we shall never go outside again" friends
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I would definitely be more confident this time too
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My local friends will only meet outdoors.
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even now?
I can't even bear those people (I know a couple too)
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what exactly do they think is going to happen? it's fucking madness
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no places stayed open subtly and quiet, why didn't you say before, and why wait 3 months for a haircut if hairdressers were open? Is this a wind up?
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ebitda - do you live in the countryside? I recall maybe you do.
Where I live, lots of places stayed open because the alternative was no fucking money
I didn't need to wait 3 months for a haircut but I wanted to see my usual hairdresser
if I was happy with a chop on easter road it could have been achieved
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this time, the rebellion will be greater
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I first heard about the October lockdown before I was furloughed so back before Easter. They've been telling schools and hospitals for months to plan for another shutdown because they want to be in a position where if it's needed they can do it in an orderly manner with contingency plans in place to avoid the chaos we had in March. However, I suspect the old nudge unit is working on the basis that lots of talk about a lockdown will be enough to persuade people to continue being cautious so it's not necessary.
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locktober TM
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We'll peak mid-September of the current spread with a much fatter peak than the March peak, then it'll be like any other Coronavirus.
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Clergham , I do not live in the country, I live in Zone 3, 4 stops and 15 minutes on a "slow" train to Waterloo.
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abbeywell - you support young people never having the opportunities you had, just so your wide welsh arse can feel misplacedly safe for a decade or two more
I am not the selfish one
nor apparently the stupid one
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and I can assure you places did stay open
the only ones that were caught were too noisy
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New football manager will be out in Oct as will FIFA. Bring on second lockdown
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Pinkus - I have a sexy minibreak planned for 14 September and this is not welcome news
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I bet it's not for him
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I'm not sure how the Mrs would feel about that, tbh, Clergs.
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To be fair Wimbledon is really the countryside.
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how rude and heteronormative of u, bam, what would hackney say
abbeywell - you said yourself you got enormously fat during lockdown so u will forgive me if I reckon you just didn't go outside and therefore don't realise what was going on in your own neighbourhood
just to reiiterate - this disease isn't that bad and some people have the common sense to know it
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ach well, pinkus
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Seems bloody inevitable :( grab the liberties while you can rof!
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I have my and only holiday booked for Oct so yeah lockdown a cert.
we did know this from the start, the Ferguson model said November for another surge right at the outset and they have not yet published anything to say that is revised.
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How can anyone not believe that Clergs has planned well ahead for sechs?!
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well, also the ferguson model has been shown to be a load of bullshit
by all means comply if you want but it will be a waste of your time and wellbeing
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there will be sex before then faaod it's just this would be demi-exotic sex
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Honestly, if we do another indefinite full national lockdown I'll be weighing up going back to Canada for my own sanity at least temporarily. I can't take another one. Problem is, Canaduh is even more afraid than the average Brit, despite the virus really not having much of a health impact there - absolute numbers or per capita outside of a few Quebec and Ontario nursing homes that skewed national numbers they were so bad.
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Also loads of businesses have taken govt backed loans based on COVID look-through tests. If their businesses have to operate with lockdown for another year, the govt will have to pay on the guarantees in cash. Even if they are factoring in a default rate in accounting for that now, it is likely to be way too low. The deficit is already at 15% i.e. where Greece was at its worst - if other countries are operating because they are not governed by clowns, who is going to buy UK debt?
I think the death of the magic money tree is about to bring in the hard choices govt has been evading for 4 months. Worst case the economically unproductive will be shielded. If it were up to me, I'd be telling the supermarkets to get ready to be compelled to switch all deliveries to shielded people, funding continued protection of them through means testing the state pension.
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Abs you did say you though out all trousers smaller than a 38"...
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*threw
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I promise lots of things were
you just weren't curious enough to find out
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