only follow people on the left, whereas those on the right follow everyone.
Which is basically the same as Brexit. Most metropolitan Remainers only know other Remainers. Whereas everyone else has a more balanced view of things.
Its probably what makes most Remainers such a bunch of flids
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Some people believe the world is round
Some people believe the world is flat.
Only a complete fooking moron gives both beliefs equal value.
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I know a full-scale rightard who reads Guardian Online.
I'm a socialist who reads The Times.
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Heh at any leaver having "a balanced" view of things.
Brexit is an extreme right project that (as extreme right projects are sometimes apt to do) briefly gained large support by spreading lies and exploiting insecurity at the right time in the right place. As ever when the population falls for the extreme right, they will live to regret it.
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that would be consistent with the position that those on the right are all trolls?
you kind of fcuk up your last line by virtue of your post.
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Most people I know don't actually identify strong as being on the left or the right.
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Brexit is not extreme right FFS. If anything the EU promotes free market capitalism. A socialist could think we're better off out as much as a hard right thinker.
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"Brexit is an extreme right project"
christ.
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Brexit is so extreme right that Corbyn supports it.
I may silence one or two ardent Remainer friends as it's just getting utterly repetitive seeing the same thing again and again.
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what could possibly be construed as extreme right about the grand wizards?
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The Fellowship of the Ringpieces
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Brexit is generally supported by:
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Yes that is exactly the self reinforcing echo chamber sort of comment that the OP is referring to.
nice example.
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The thing is, I don't live in an echo chamber. I engage with all kinds of people. That's how I predicted leave would win in the first place (a full year before the referendum even happened) and how I even managed to predict the correct percentage.
I engage with many, many people and have found the above to hold true.
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The extreme right and extreme left do sometimes agree - and yes some socialists dislike the EU but quite clearly Brexit is an extreme right not an extreme left project.
In fact it is actually unusual in encompassing both types of extreme right - economic- small state, low welfare, fantasy as britain as an off shore tax haven - and -social- nationalist, anti immigrant, tribal.
Most leave voters went for the social aspects where as what motivates the leaders of the campaign is largely economic
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intelligent leavers are about 2-4% of them, max, in my experience
hanners you never told us what happened to your AMBITIONS
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I do not engage with leavers
ex rofer mark griffith is one, we were on Facebook, I defriended him
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Anna, did you predict the referendum result? You kept quiet about that.
?
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I recon 95% of remainers are really quite stupid.
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"That's how I predicted leave would win in the first place (a full year before the referendum even happened) and how I even managed to predict the correct percentage."
Heh, you keep trotting this one out. Admit it, it was a guess - informed to a slight degree no doubt but let's not pretend that you did some fancy calculations to arrive at your prediction or had a large enough sample size of engagement with other people. It was a guess that happened to come out right and you've retroactively dressed it up as wisdom. You've got plenty wrong as well. We all have. Nothing about this whole process has been amenable to making reliable accurate predictions.
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It was a prediction based on engaging with a broad range of people and it turned out to be spot on. Unlike most other people (especially on here) who thought remain would win.
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The only thing I have famously got wrong was overestimating Theresa May's wisdom in terms of when and how to trigger Article 50.
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I must say Anna is pretty much spot on with her predictions
I could think of one or two predictions of rof brexshitters that proved to be inaccurate:)
now tell us where was anna completely wrong?
you dicksuck
man, do I dislike goose
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I don't know
I just cannot deal with brexiters
don't like, don't like, don't like, OH-OH
(to: Genesis "Tonight, tonight, tonight")
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"I do not engage with leavers
ex rofer mark griffith is one, we were on Facebook, I defriended him"
LOL, he lives in Hungary, doesn't he?
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he does, I even met him there more than once
he is v active on FB and has acquired a large community of leaver followers
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I hope he gets thrown out of Hungary if we leave
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Is that his real name you're outing on the board?
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"Some people believe the world is round
Some people believe the world is flat.
Only a complete fooking moron gives both beliefs equal value."
That's a false equivalence vis-à-vis the OP's point on left/right groupthink (which you just validated).
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He used it on here himself LP...
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I think he posted as Mark Griffith Anna.
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It isn't. When one group is in complete denial about certain facts then there is no epistemological basis upon which to engage in discussion.
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mark griffith used to post under his real name on here
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Fair enough then.
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mark griffith is pretty much the only intelligent leaver I know. he is well read. but he also fails at life spectacularly, both privately and as a professional (not quite sure where he gets his money from, at some point he published a book about the financial crisis, I even have it, not an easy read and not successful)
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I don't think he can come back to the UK, as such, for financial reasons
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Spain is full of leave supporters Ray
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so was I, and he has become an obsessive leaver in addition
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People on the left
Spice up your life
People on the right
Spice up your life
La la la la la la la la la ...
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People on the left follow people on the left. People on the right follow everyone?
Well that doesn't sound too general a statement to me...
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"It isn't. When one group is in complete denial about certain facts then there is no epistemological basis upon which to engage in discussion."
That presupposes that all left/right bias equates to the "denial of facts" by the right: in itself that is an incrediblely biased perspective.
You could make an argument for that assertion in some areas (e.g. climate change), but not in many others, where policy is about how we interpret data and the different solutions propsed on the basis of those intepretations. The "right" answer per se may never be apparent, however.
And if you are not paying attention to anyone other than those on "your" side, who are in turn relaying to you what the other side thinks and how it should be interpreted, then the one in denial of certain facts, is you.
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Actually, on social media there are a lot of frothing right wingers who follow left leaning politicians and accounts/pages such as the People's Vote campaign. Not to expose themselves to a range of views and broaden their minds, but purely for trolling purposes.
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the only problem with this is that Remain is not a leftist position
it’s a centrist position
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glad I am not the only one with 'Spice up your life' stuck in my head thanks to the OP
khunt
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Pizzagate
Q Anon
Sandy Hook Trutherism
Birtherism
Obama was a Muslim socialist founder of ISIS/Muslim Brotherhood yada yada
Deep State
Bengazi
Chemtrails
Operation Jade Helm
The EU needs us more than we need them
We can have our cake and eat it too.
I could go on and on and on about all the crazy shit right-wingers believe. You simply cannot have a rational discussion with someone who isn't rational.
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Supes in the UK the majority of conspiracy loons are lefties.
Also - Dumbfook american far right is not close to 90%+ of UK EU leave voters
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oh yes they are and they are also colluding, see intervention by trump and his son
which conspiracies do UK left wingers believe in then?
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that's the problem with brexiters, if they have no argument, they just make something up
one cannot live with people like that which is why I want the UK OUT
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I would beg to differ
There are a great many gammons who believe all kinds of shit they read on Facebook (paid for by Russia via Aaron banks). There are a great many gammons who have all kinds of abhorrent views on 'race' that bear absolutely no relationship to reality.
Draco is a perfect example.
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which conspiracies do UK left wingers believe in then?
Anti Vac
Chemtrails
9/11 was the CIA
a thousand about Israel
Rothschilds
Reptilians
Satanic Panic
NWO
Peado MPs and Royals
etc
etc
etc
It is not a left and right thing - there are fooking idiot on both sides. Saying otherwise makes you out to be swivelied eyed fat hmong.
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er, Hanners r u hallucinating again?
the US far right leaders could not be closer to the Farage’s, the Fox’s and the Raab’s of the europhobe elite, and they tapped the parallel poor, white left behinds in the UK
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Hanners!!!
HEH
there we go, if in doubt make up a huge fat lie to justify being a wrong hmong
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er...
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I am not Hanners.
You are a wrong hmong.
You lied that I was Hanners to detract from this point.
HTH
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Supes, another logical fallacy I'm afraid. you are straw manning based upon an Alex Jones-esque cariacature of the right.
Most of the above (granting the notable exceptions of the last two you've slipped in) were not advocated by credible mainstream figures.
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ok definitely not hanners. sure.
the idea that a lot of Brexter elites are not closely tied to the US far right is risible
and they definitely tapped the same sentiments amongst voters
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Supes27 Mar 19 15:07
Pizzagate
Q Anon
Sandy Hook Trutherism
A bazillion quid says Supes spends his evenings trying not to agree with Alex Jones. You guys even look alike, except he's not bald.
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I said: "Dumbfook american far right is not close to 90%+ of UK EU leave voters"
You said: - "the idea that a lot of Brexter elites are not closely tied to the US far right is risible"
Try harder at reading and/or thinking next time.
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i would take that bet but u could not afford it
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ur making this point to try to distinguish the American far right from the Brexit campaign
i am pointing out that actually we all know full well they are inextricably linked and an enormous number of Brexit voters (I won’t venture percentages) were attracted by that
if u r now saying that ur point was a really narrow one and that u were really just saying that there are a small number of people in the American far right and a small number of British in the far right, then i agree with that. but it’s an obvious point and not relevant to the thread.
so which one was it? were u trying to make the wider point, in which case u r wronger than wrong, or were u actually saying something really narrow and irrelevant?
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Trump regularly promotes Alex Jones
Trump more or less created birtherism
The Republican led House conducted hearings on benghazi for 2 years
Michael Flynn, Trump's National Security Advisor was propagating Pizzagate rumours.
The NRA and a number of NRA backed congresspeople were claiming that the Parkland students were paid crisis actors
The Governor of Texas was promoting conspiracy theories about Operation Jade Helm and detention centres in closed Wallmarts.
There are multiple Republican members of congress who believe any number of these theories.
This is the state of the Republican party in America. This is the state of the rightwing in the States.
Republican officials promote and condone all of the above
It is not a straw man at all. These are Trumps core supporters who believe all of this shit. When people look at the polls and say who are these 35% of people who support tTrump it is people who believe this crap.
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There are some proper thickos on here.
"ur making this point to try to distinguish the American far right from the Brexit campaign"
no, try harder.
Maybe read the words, not what you want them to say.
Supes - This is not the USA, thank fook.
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as to the OP, I visit leave.eu regularly
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i see hanners, so u really just had a narrow irrelevant point to make
fair enuff
not sure y u wasted the time tho
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Oh The Oracle is Sergio>?!
hahahahahahaha
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yes! ‘tis me Hanners m7
good 2 have u back btw, we’ve missed ur version of mindless dogmatism
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so who are u then wibble, ahaha hihi hoho
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I'm not really talking to you wobble
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I know Supes you are just spouting random shit into the mix that has no relevance to anything. As per
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I'm responding to Johnny Hellsathingy. Stay in your lane.
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