It will be a long extension in a special summit on Thursday. May will be merely interim this time next week. The ridiculous speech last night was the final nail in the coffin of her political career.
There are only two types of people left that genuinely support Brexit (rather than doggedly sticking by what they voted because they think accepting it's a mistake looks weak - sadly the prime minister is one of these people)
people with nothing to lose who just want to bring everything else down
people who know it will be bad for everyone else but think it will be good for them
I might save this map so that if I ever consider moving back to the UK I can focus my search on the constituencies which are currently dark red. Tells you everything you need to know really.
If you define "short term" as the next 50 years, you might be right. Unfortunately most of us will be dead or senile by then, and in the meantime we'll have condemned our children to a working lifetime of economic misery.
A friend of mine had to close his business due to Brexit and make every single one of his staff redundant (in an area where decent jobs are few and far between).
"A friend of mine had to close his business due to Brexit and make every single one of his staff redundant (in an area where decent jobs are few and far between)."
Because his business model was essentially "selling a particular product, 90% of which are manufactured in the US, to consumers".
After six months the fookedness of the GBP-USD exchange rate meant he had to put his prices up to a level where his customers could no longer afford to buy them.
No, unfortunately not. All very well to say it's "not a sustainable business model", but the fact is that if you sell essentially one product, and those products are not made in the UK, you are always going to be vulnerable to exchange rate risk.
This risk has never crystalised in the past because the pound has historically been a strong currency.
I'm pretty sure what when he set the business up, a good ten years beforehand, he didn't think, "I'm not going to exploit this business opportunity to sell these products in the UK, for which there is a consumer demand, in case future political events completely fook our currency and render my business model unsustainable".
The £ went from 1.45 against the $ before the vote to 1.32 now. That isn't a colossal drop. He'd have been suffering in the years prior too, so blaming Brexit in isolation doesn't work.
He was running a small business. None of them make tons of profit but it was enough to make a living and employ four people for a decade. Brexit put paid to that.
I guess if you don't actually need a guitar then a 15-20% increase in price might be the difference between it being a luxury you can afford and a luxury you can't afford.
Interestingly the financial crisis didn't have that effect on his business at all.
I hope the MPs of the constituencies with higher than average sign up to the petition are crunching the maths against their majorities, and thinking about their position very carefully
It’s only an online petition, but gettting on for a million votes in only just over 24 hours is big. Red Nose Day big. Bigger than Test Cricket or Six Nations Rugby big.
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Now 320,000 approx.
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Now almost 368k
At this time in the morning.....
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Hard core remainer desperation as the end game looms non-shocker
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Why would anyone *not* be desperate to stop this clusterfook?
The "endgame" might be a disaster capitalists wet dream for you but it's just a disaster to the rest of us.
people who claim to have voted remain that I don't believed voted remain :-
1. TMPM
2. Magic grandpa
3 ROF's clubman
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‘Just get on with it’
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I am tired of this Brexit mess, Brexit Brexit Brexit, mps playing political games, arcane political procedure, Theresa speaks for me.
walks off funny walk falls over.
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I think now it is Theresa’s fault (having given her benefit of doubt for a long time).
she says she is determined to deliver Brexit but she has now become the obstacle to it rather than the driver.
someone else ( without her red lines) should let Parliament decide the terms.
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Let us know when it gets to 18m, yeah?
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474k
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You’ll get a knock on the door long before then, don’t worry.
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Over 500,000 now
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501k
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506k
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Thought it’s 17.4m dux?
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It would be 18 million plus if we had the chance.
Heres an idea lets have a public vote and find out
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Not sure if this petition is a good idea, the last thing the house needs is another debate there ain’t time frankly
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The map view is very interesting.
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Meanwhile the odds on a no deal brexit tumble again, now just 3/1
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It will be a long extension in a special summit on Thursday. May will be merely interim this time next week. The ridiculous speech last night was the final nail in the coffin of her political career.
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over 556k now.
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Density of signatories in London, Bristol, Oxford, Cambridge.
Unsurprisingly
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It’s the network effect of all the Remainers living very closely together and telling their friends who live nearby to sign
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https://twitter.com/jameskanag/status/1102904342082961409?s=21
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Heh. And they tell us there's no Oxbridge Establishment.
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sadly an education at one of the worlds greatest seats of learning failed to rub off on all its alumni eh
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There are only two types of people left that genuinely support Brexit (rather than doggedly sticking by what they voted because they think accepting it's a mistake looks weak - sadly the prime minister is one of these people)
people with nothing to lose who just want to bring everything else down
people who know it will be bad for everyone else but think it will be good for them
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The desperation is palpable.
TICK TOCK.
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Thos categories aren't mutually exclusive, Linda. I think LA fits both descriptions, for example.
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Belgium France Italy and Spain all apparently ready to veto any extension whatsoever. We will see
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I would so love to see LA losing his job due to brexit
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you should keep blacklists
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I might save this map so that if I ever consider moving back to the UK I can focus my search on the constituencies which are currently dark red. Tells you everything you need to know really.
Looks like Heidi Allen's seat is safe.
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I support a form of Brexit that commands majority support in the HoC. Doubt I'm alone there.
Of course I accept this PM isn't going to deliver it.
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i see the leave campaigners have now fired up their servers from the march and crashed the petition to stop it working
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You missed a third category, which probably covers several million:
Those who know it will be hard in the short-term, but will suffer it because it's the right thing to do
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If you define "short term" as the next 50 years, you might be right. Unfortunately most of us will be dead or senile by then, and in the meantime we'll have condemned our children to a working lifetime of economic misery.
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"Right thing to do"
for who?
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for why?
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Spiteful.
I don't wish to see any of you unemployed by Brexit. Have any of you actually been threatened with unemployment by Brexit?
Unless you happen to work in a car plant in Corby I highly f*cking doubt it.
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The petition is back up. Pls don't look at it to check numbers tho, I don't think it can cope with the traffic
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well the odd finance lawyer in londres may find himself redundant in the mid-term
and in general, consensus is that the legal profession will suffer, as will many other professions
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A friend of mine had to close his business due to Brexit and make every single one of his staff redundant (in an area where decent jobs are few and far between).
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"A friend of mine had to close his business due to Brexit and make every single one of his staff redundant (in an area where decent jobs are few and far between)."
How was is "due to Brexit"?
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Because his business model was essentially "selling a particular product, 90% of which are manufactured in the US, to consumers".
After six months the fookedness of the GBP-USD exchange rate meant he had to put his prices up to a level where his customers could no longer afford to buy them.
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Doesn't sound like a sustainable business model if it can;t withstand exchange rate risk.
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Couldn't he get it from somewhere else?
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LA losing a job is always good value rof, all the way back to his Reject Boy days ...
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sit down ladies, here comes the business expert
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And what LA said. That's a volatile business model if ever there was one. The £/$ rate has been in decline since 2007.
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well it's affecting more than one business for sure
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No, unfortunately not. All very well to say it's "not a sustainable business model", but the fact is that if you sell essentially one product, and those products are not made in the UK, you are always going to be vulnerable to exchange rate risk.
This risk has never crystalised in the past because the pound has historically been a strong currency.
I'm pretty sure what when he set the business up, a good ten years beforehand, he didn't think, "I'm not going to exploit this business opportunity to sell these products in the UK, for which there is a consumer demand, in case future political events completely fook our currency and render my business model unsustainable".
Why would he?
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The £ went from 1.45 against the $ before the vote to 1.32 now. That isn't a colossal drop. He'd have been suffering in the years prior too, so blaming Brexit in isolation doesn't work.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46862790
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Up to 692k
Get tf in.
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Frankly it needs to exceed 17m to have a chance of having an impact.
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He was running a small business. None of them make tons of profit but it was enough to make a living and employ four people for a decade. Brexit put paid to that.
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Of course I agree political uncertainty is bad for business but you and I prob have different ideas how to resolve that.
Manufacturers also get hit badly by a weaker £ if they import parts, at least short term.
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Guitars.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-petition-revoke-article-50-theresa-may-deal-extension-a8832851.html
government website crashes after ore than 700k people demand revocation of art 50
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I guess if you don't actually need a guitar then a 15-20% increase in price might be the difference between it being a luxury you can afford and a luxury you can't afford.
Interestingly the financial crisis didn't have that effect on his business at all.
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"Meanwhile the odds on a no deal brexit tumble again, now just 3/1"
If you had taken my advice the other day to put your money where your mouth was you could have cashed out now and doubled your money
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down again...
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down again...
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758k and counting
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768k sigs a moment ago
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And Number 10 has responded.
"This is not something the Prime Minister is prepared to do"
Is there anywhere local that sells hi-vis vests?
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map of the London concentration of petition signers
https://www.google.com/search?q=gails+bakeries&npsic=0&rflfq=1&rlha=0&rllag=51526259,-147726,1614&tbm=lcl&ved=2ahUKEwjyjd6TlZPhAhVcThUIHQnODsIQtgN6BAgGEAQ&tbs=lrf:!2m1!1e3!2m1!1e16!3sIAE,lf:1,lf_ui:3&rldoc=1#rlfi=hd:;si:;mv:!1m2!1d51.92754701431359!2d0.308448408791719!2m2!1d51.29992983746459!2d-0.872581864645781!4m2!1d51.61482323383907!2d-0.282066727927031!5i10
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779K
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Over 800k now. A million by lunchtime.
LF, she’ll probably do a u-ey on that.
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What point do you think you're making clubman?
referendums aren't done on a constituency basis. We don't have an electoral college.
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I hope the MPs of the constituencies with higher than average sign up to the petition are crunching the maths against their majorities, and thinking about their position very carefully
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OMG A MILLION PEOPLE DID A THING IN THE INTERWEBBY!!!
Literally no one apart from the multiple voters cares.
See also the march this weekend.
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How do we know that the petitioners are real people with a right to vote in the UK? As opposed to Russian bots?
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no it is deffo 1 million real people voting just once all in the UK.
Uh huh, yep really is.
but then even if it was...
*looks in bovvered bag*
nope sorry
nuffink
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862k
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aww
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It'll be interesting to see how many people manage to march multiple times as well.
Next thing you know Farage will be complaining that remain voters have cloned themselves in order to commit electoral fraud.
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It's crashed...
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It's cute remainers think this or their silly march will make a difference
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871k
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Also, massive lol at the cabbie on latest brexitcast. How did he vote do you reckon?
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Keep trying, Doggers.
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You might not care, but a hell of a lot of people do. 878k at the moment...
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It's up now, doggers.
881k +
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Can everyone who is on social media also share it please? Keep the momentum going.
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massive lol @ brexiter talking about silly marches
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It doesn't actually take 24 hours, it takes a few seconds. Check your junk mail folder if you haven't got it.
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FFS Abbs
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there is going to be a debate on it next week now, LA, so
I think this could have real impact (for a change)
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900k
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Seriously this is tragic. What do you think will happen when you get to a million?
Merkel and Macron appear on tv singing "Baby Come Back"?
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heh @ abs junk folder
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905k
woah
5000 sigs In 3 minutes
COME ON
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A magician to appear and hand May her P45.
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I guess a lot of people disagree about Theresa May being on their side.
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LA people do get to see that remain has momentum and leave are a bunch of tired w**kers
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913k now.
come on!
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It’s only an online petition, but gettting on for a million votes in only just over 24 hours is big. Red Nose Day big. Bigger than Test Cricket or Six Nations Rugby big.
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