I went with some girlfriends and we took a drive up the Atlas Mountains. This was probably around 2009. We stopped off for lunch and the proprietor tried to charge the three of us for a simple meal the equivalent of £80.00. And then got really really aggressive - frighteningly so - when we refused this attempt at extortion.
The mutilated bodies of two Scandinavian women have been found in the Moroccan mountains.
The killing of Louisa Vesterager Jespersen, 24, from Norway, and Maren Ueland, 28, from Denmark, has shocked their home countries and prompted security measures in Morocco, which is heavily dependent on tourism.
The students had been sharing a tent six miles from the remote mountain village of Imlil, near the foot of Mount Toubkal, North Africa’s highest peak. Their bodies were found in and beside the tent. One was decapitated and the other’s throat had been cut, according to local reports.
The point is that people get killed everywhere, everyday. It is just that they don't serve a political agenda in the way a pretty blond woman being killed by a muslim man does.
I find it curious that the only outlets saying uncritically that the women were "beheaded" as opposed to having had their throats cut are The Express, Pam Gellar and Infowars.
Horrible place. Friend's bro was kidnapped there for a week, shackled and marched to cashpoint every day at gunpoint. Police complicit. North Africa really is the armpit of the world in terms of general harassment and disgusting molestation of women.
"The point is that people get killed everywhere, everyday. It is just that they don't serve a political agenda in the way a pretty blond woman being killed by a muslim man does."
denial denial denial
people like supes are preciesely the reason why the right wingers are so powerful right now. there is a pattern and ultra lefties deny there is one
supes - which pretty arab woman has been molested or raped and killed in europe in the last 25 years?
A better question is why don't we know how the British backpacker in New Zealand was killed? Why wasn't her manner of death splashed all over the headlines?
How many Muslim women have the British and the Americans killed in the Middle East/Afghanistan do you reckon? We blow the fook out entire families in one go.
Take you identitarian bullshit and sell it to someone else.
on that note - scandinavians have not taken part in the wars in the middle east, right? so why do scandinavian women get killed? why do german woman get raped and killed by syrians, in germany?
are you really surprised that europeans at least do not want MORE of this type of immigration?
I am a white Western woman and live in an area where 90% of my neighbours are "this type of immigrants" (many of them specifically Moroccan) and have had no problems. Whereas actually visiting Morocco is a completely different story.
Its a debate between Majid Nawaz and Sam Harris and there was a comment from Majid that he used the lefts reluctance to condemn intolerance as a muslim in the past to get anyway with intolerant comments.
I think people are losing sight of the fact that backpacker killers often fall into a distinct sub-set of serial killers so this may not even be cultural. If you're inclined to kill people for fun then backpackers make good victims as they are often in sporadic contact with their families and so won't be reported missing for some time. Australia has had horrendous problems over the years with itinerant workers traveling the outback killing backpackers and then moving on before anyone even knows they're missing.
Totally put me off going anywhere near the Outback. In the true story it's based on they arrested the survivor and refused to believe his story initially because it was so outlandish.
That's why non-muslim men never ever kill women. it is a little known fact that there hasn't been a woman murdered in the United States since 9/11.
German men have certainly never killed any women, nor have any Swedish men.
The British backpacker killed in new Zealand was killed by an Indonesian man on holiday. The true story on which Wolf Creek was based involved a Malaysian Immigrant, not a great big white bogan.
Do you not even consider engaging your brain, even reflexively, before you post this shit, Traumatico?
DD I'm not saying that is certain but for the time being we also don't know that what you say is the case as I haven't seen anything about the identity of the killer or their apparent motive. Morocco is a popular backpacking destination so quite feasible they may even had been killed by a fellow European or an American or the like.
HEH - Re Judo's post about attempted extortion in Morrocco
I went to Bali and went surfing
another surfer - of arab descent - staged a collision, but in fact there was no collision and nothing bad happened
at the beach, said surfer made a huge fuss, he was shouting and screaming and really aggressive about how I have destroyed his surfboard and now owe him €15
the whole beach was watching and some balinese people from a surf board rental came to my help and asserted that his surfboard is ok, not harmed at all, they told me not to give hm money
I told him to fook off but he kept following us and my gilr said just give him the dosh
so I gave him the dosh
the balinese told me he does that every day and that he was from morrocco
What if i told you that every negative experience that i ever had travelling in southeast Asia involved Israelis tourists, usually men, who had just finished their military service. I have literally never met one that wasn't an arrogant asshole who treated the locals like absolute shit.
What If i then went on to use that experience to completely write off an entire religion. What if I started blaming all of my problems on (((bankers))). What would you think about that? Would that be a common sense way to approach things in your book?
What if i told you that every negative experience that i ever had travelling in southeast Asia involved Israelis tourists, usually men, who had just finished their military service. I have literally never met one that wasn't an arrogant asshole who treated the locals like absolute shit.
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same goes for South America; the locals all fvcking hate Israelis
And anyone with an interest should go spend a moving in the Pumpernickel Bakery in Kathmandu and watch how the Israelis that the local Nepalis working there. It is absolutely shocking.
Yet i would never even dream of saying that Jewish people should be barred from entering European countries. I would be ostracised and rightfully so.
Yet somehow this is an entirely acceptable way to talk about muslims in some circles.
Really? All I can think of today is that I've said there's a bit of financial turmoil in Italy and clearly there's some rioting in France but don't recall suggesting any turmoil anywhere else.
This thread is proper mental. If this is the best level of debate you can get on RoF with its overeducated cleverclogses over these issues, then they have become undebateable for wider political purposes.
Thats quite worrying.
So much for sanctimony. Now pass me my judgmental foghorn .........
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Christ. I have been packpacking in Morocco and thought the mountains were the safest and nicest part.
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my uncle goes backpacking in mexico all the time
I would not
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I went with some girlfriends and we took a drive up the Atlas Mountains. This was probably around 2009. We stopped off for lunch and the proprietor tried to charge the three of us for a simple meal the equivalent of £80.00. And then got really really aggressive - frighteningly so - when we refused this attempt at extortion.
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Judo - do you mean the two women with their throats cut?
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The mutilated bodies of two Scandinavian women have been found in the Moroccan mountains.
The killing of Louisa Vesterager Jespersen, 24, from Norway, and Maren Ueland, 28, from Denmark, has shocked their home countries and prompted security measures in Morocco, which is heavily dependent on tourism.
The students had been sharing a tent six miles from the remote mountain village of Imlil, near the foot of Mount Toubkal, North Africa’s highest peak. Their bodies were found in and beside the tent. One was decapitated and the other’s throat had been cut, according to local reports.
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#teamHateMorrocco
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Not a place I would like to go. Worse if you area woman. Molestation in public etc.. Horrid.
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you can't say that europeans are cutting morroccan throats when they come here
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The only time I have been properly sexualy assaulted by a stranger was in Tangier in front of a group fo about 30 British tourists
It was really sore
I hope that guy is dead now
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I think someone was shot in the US yesterday as well.
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shoot = /= sexually assaulted and beheaded tbf
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(FAOD that was @Judo not Clergs. I wouldn't want to make light of Clergs' experience)
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don't understand the point, Cozza.
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The point is that people get killed everywhere, everyday. It is just that they don't serve a political agenda in the way a pretty blond woman being killed by a muslim man does.
I find it curious that the only outlets saying uncritically that the women were "beheaded" as opposed to having had their throats cut are The Express, Pam Gellar and Infowars.
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People do get killed everywhere, every day, but some places are particularly nasty if you are a woman. Morocco is one of those places.
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Horrible place. Friend's bro was kidnapped there for a week, shackled and marched to cashpoint every day at gunpoint. Police complicit. North Africa really is the armpit of the world in terms of general harassment and disgusting molestation of women.
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and The Times, Supes.
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The Times qualified it. They didn't confirm it or state it as fact, merely stated that local reports had said that one was decapitated.
But why wait for such details to be confirmed when a point can be scored.
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It's been a bad couple of weeks for backpackers.
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"The point is that people get killed everywhere, everyday. It is just that they don't serve a political agenda in the way a pretty blond woman being killed by a muslim man does."
denial denial denial
people like supes are preciesely the reason why the right wingers are so powerful right now. there is a pattern and ultra lefties deny there is one
supes - which pretty arab woman has been molested or raped and killed in europe in the last 25 years?
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are you really surprised that europeans at least do not want MORE of this type of immigration?
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A better question is why don't we know how the British backpacker in New Zealand was killed? Why wasn't her manner of death splashed all over the headlines?
How many Muslim women have the British and the Americans killed in the Middle East/Afghanistan do you reckon? We blow the fook out entire families in one go.
Take you identitarian bullshit and sell it to someone else.
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identitarian bullshit - I have got nothing to do with these people
I am a centrist myself
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on that note - scandinavians have not taken part in the wars in the middle east, right? so why do scandinavian women get killed? why do german woman get raped and killed by syrians, in germany?
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"I have got nothing to do with these people
I am a centrist myself"
When have we heard this before? Should be the German national motto
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are you really surprised that europeans at least do not want MORE of this type of immigration?
I am a white Western woman and live in an area where 90% of my neighbours are "this type of immigrants" (many of them specifically Moroccan) and have had no problems. Whereas actually visiting Morocco is a completely different story.
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I used to live in france and there were problems APLENTY with this type of errrm frenchman of morroccan descent
why do you reckon french elections are such a thriller all the time with the FN?
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DD, re you're 12.56, I thought that Mutti did? To keep the German economy strong.
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scandinavians have not taken part in the wars in the middle east, right?
Wrong
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I'm not saying there aren't any problems but far less than I was expecting, tbh.
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*gaaah ,I meant "your"
I am so fracking tired.
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Mutti got her ass whooped for that
she went from unchallenged most popular (democratic) german leader ever to seriously embattled
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Anna on her way home
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=cartman+in+the+ghetto&view=detail&mid=08C85BBCDDC5F870A4B708C85BBCDDC5F870A4B7&FORM=VIRE&safe=active
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the overwhelming majority of europeans do not want more immigration from northern africa and the ME
the two contenders for the german conservatives leadership wanted to stop it (in relation to maghreb at least)
now mutti's protegée won the race but she will mst likely also implement this train of thought
I jolly well hope so
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give the european poulation what they want in this regard, and make the right wingers disappear or at least be put in their place
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Lol! Wang uses Bing
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Yeah! imagine using a search engine that got you exactly the link you were looking for! What a tool!
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For the record I am not making any judgement on any of the comments on here, but there is a very interesting docu on NetFlix (maybe Sky):
http://www.islamandthefutureoftolerance.com/
Its a debate between Majid Nawaz and Sam Harris and there was a comment from Majid that he used the lefts reluctance to condemn intolerance as a muslim in the past to get anyway with intolerant comments.
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Is that the same Sam Harris that thinks that black people are genetically disposed to having lower IQs?
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I think people are losing sight of the fact that backpacker killers often fall into a distinct sub-set of serial killers so this may not even be cultural. If you're inclined to kill people for fun then backpackers make good victims as they are often in sporadic contact with their families and so won't be reported missing for some time. Australia has had horrendous problems over the years with itinerant workers traveling the outback killing backpackers and then moving on before anyone even knows they're missing.
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On that note, Wolf Creek is quite possibly the worst film that I have ever seen. Utterly terrifying.
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Totally put me off going anywhere near the Outback. In the true story it's based on they arrested the survivor and refused to believe his story initially because it was so outlandish.
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I thought wolf creek was great.
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Head on a stick
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sails is Cecil Tunt crica Dreamland
AICM £5
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I don't actually know what that means Sumo.
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that's because you are pop culture illiterate
http://archer.wikia.com/wiki/Cecil_Tunt
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so it's because they are backpackers
next time it's because they work for NGOs
nothing to do with islam and the role women have within islam, in particular non muslim women
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By Jove, he's got it!
That's why non-muslim men never ever kill women. it is a little known fact that there hasn't been a woman murdered in the United States since 9/11.
German men have certainly never killed any women, nor have any Swedish men.
The British backpacker killed in new Zealand was killed by an Indonesian man on holiday. The true story on which Wolf Creek was based involved a Malaysian Immigrant, not a great big white bogan.
Do you not even consider engaging your brain, even reflexively, before you post this shit, Traumatico?
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DD I'm not saying that is certain but for the time being we also don't know that what you say is the case as I haven't seen anything about the identity of the killer or their apparent motive. Morocco is a popular backpacking destination so quite feasible they may even had been killed by a fellow European or an American or the like.
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I think you can ackowledge that there is a semi political motive in the reporting style
and still acknowledge that Morocco is not by any means an enlightened western country
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Of course but I'm not jumping to the conclusion that it was a religious crime without seeing further evidence.
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+1 for #teamhateMorocco
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Anyone else initially hope Judo's tale was going to turn out a bit raunchier? It had promise.
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HEH - Re Judo's post about attempted extortion in Morrocco
I went to Bali and went surfing
another surfer - of arab descent - staged a collision, but in fact there was no collision and nothing bad happened
at the beach, said surfer made a huge fuss, he was shouting and screaming and really aggressive about how I have destroyed his surfboard and now owe him €15
the whole beach was watching and some balinese people from a surf board rental came to my help and asserted that his surfboard is ok, not harmed at all, they told me not to give hm money
I told him to fook off but he kept following us and my gilr said just give him the dosh
so I gave him the dosh
the balinese told me he does that every day and that he was from morrocco
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I had SO MANY bad experiences with certain ppeole I could write a book about it
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Perhaps that's because you are a bit of an arsehole?
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Aids Skrillex really firing on all cylinders today
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oh I'm the arsehole now? well I don't extort money and I don'T behead women - at least that
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What if i told you that every negative experience that i ever had travelling in southeast Asia involved Israelis tourists, usually men, who had just finished their military service. I have literally never met one that wasn't an arrogant asshole who treated the locals like absolute shit.
What If i then went on to use that experience to completely write off an entire religion. What if I started blaming all of my problems on (((bankers))). What would you think about that? Would that be a common sense way to approach things in your book?
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Nobody knows what an "Aids Skrillex" is, and no one knows why you think it is a funny insult.
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everybody says israelis coming from military service are a nuisance - probaby because they are
I don't blame all of my problems, or any of my problems, on a certain religion
I just do not want more immigration from a certain religion because everything will go to heck if we allow it
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because you think they all murder women, nice
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What if i told you that every negative experience that i ever had travelling in southeast Asia involved Israelis tourists, usually men, who had just finished their military service. I have literally never met one that wasn't an arrogant asshole who treated the locals like absolute shit.
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same goes for South America; the locals all fvcking hate Israelis
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And anyone with an interest should go spend a moving in the Pumpernickel Bakery in Kathmandu and watch how the Israelis that the local Nepalis working there. It is absolutely shocking.
Yet i would never even dream of saying that Jewish people should be barred from entering European countries. I would be ostracised and rightfully so.
Yet somehow this is an entirely acceptable way to talk about muslims in some circles.
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*morning
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a lot of people hate israelis - not my problem
and I do not think followers of a certain religion all murder women, it's just they are far mre likely to
when forming an opinion about a group of people, a religion, an ethicity even, the question is never "are they good or bad?"
there are good and bad people everyhwere. the question is, how many are the bad ones and how bad are they, what do they do?
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my love for israel is a thing of the past
they create enemies for themselves by behaving like pigs and I shall no longer be emotionally involved here
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Are Jewish people good or bad?
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can be good, can be bad, can be very bad
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but you'd never call for their immigration into Europe to be banned, would you
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I do not care either way
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they all got 20 assports anyway
at least they don't murder and rape
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Last time I checked the Jewish in the Israeli Defence Force were pretty good at killing and in some cases murdering people.
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well ban them for all I care
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especially children
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OK
I still don't want islamic immigration tho
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that's because you are a bigot
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bollocks!
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well then 80% of all europeans are bigots
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80% of Europeans don't want more muslim immigration? Glad I don't live in mainland Europe and live in multi-cultural liberal England.
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^^bruhaha
sails was the one allegng that everywhere in europe there is turmoil, not just in the uk
no dude, no turmoil here, everything orderly
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Really? All I can think of today is that I've said there's a bit of financial turmoil in Italy and clearly there's some rioting in France but don't recall suggesting any turmoil anywhere else.
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you were suggesting turmoil in germany
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Nope I've not said anything about the Germans today.
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Drax YRUSAP
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Drax YRUSAP
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This thread is proper mental. If this is the best level of debate you can get on RoF with its overeducated cleverclogses over these issues, then they have become undebateable for wider political purposes.
Thats quite worrying.
So much for sanctimony. Now pass me my judgmental foghorn .........
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Drax YRUSAP
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