None of them will happen. It's all just lies. They will all be cancelled, one-by-one, like every other proposed transport project in the North the Tories have pulled the plug on.
Tend to agree with that, broadly. Unfortunately, after scrapping the Manchester section of HS2, there is now insufficient infrastructure in Manchester to link to Liverpool and Leeds.
Chambers, you ever been to the North? There is an international airport in Manchester. Next to Heathrow and Gatwick it has higher passenger numbers than any other airport in UK. Its just had a new terminal built and another one on way.
Oh the snake pass, which you can’t even drive through most of the time because yet another person has tried to overtake but ended up causing a pile up. My latest experience of that being just short of two weeks ago.
it is one of the biggest jokes in Western Europe that two big cities like Manchester and Sheffield don’t have decent transport connections between them. Almost as bad as there not being a motorway up the east coast to Scotland.
imagine if you told a French or Swiss highway engineer that we have two large cities 40 miles apart and they can only be connected by a single lane road because of the Peak District lmao
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak released details of his alternative plan to redirect every pound that would have been spent extending HS2 into new projects.
The decision to reinvest the £36bn earmarked for HS2 to Manchester is being promoted heavily as a Network North transport programme. In fact, all regions will see some fresh investment in the Prime Minister’s all modes of transport spending strategy.
Nearly £20bn of the alternative programme of transport improvements is concentrated in the North but the other regions of the country will share just over £15bn.
Critically there are no timeframes for any of the redirected spend and few truly new projects in the plan. Critics said the projects amounted to a rehash of past promises which have either been previously dropped or pushed back.
Outline regional spend
£19.8bn for the North – connecting its major cities, a new station in Bradford, a new tram for Leeds, new major roads, reopened train lines and an additional £12bn for better connectivity between Manchester and Liverpool.
£9.6bn for the Midlands – a new Midlands Rail Hub that will connect 50 stations, major road upgrades, and reopened train lines with new stations.
£6.5bn for the rest of the country – keeping the £2 bus fare until the end of December 2024. Boosting road schemes, upgrading Ely Junction, major rail improvements across the South West and billions to fix potholes in our roads.
An absolutely disgraceful piece of sh1t. Just look at the list ffs, Nottingham tram for example was built over ten fvcking years ago. How dare they put this into the public domain?! The utter contempt they have for the nation is staggering.
Wtf is this sh1t
£2 bus fare will also be extended: Will run to the end of December 2024 instead of rising to £2.50 as planned. This will mean passengers on a bus journey from Lancaster to Kendal will save £12.50 every time they travel
this list of projects is such a fiasco one wonders whether it's actually a clever piece of sabotage by someone in the DfT who has had it with the cretins he or she has to work for
It's so long ago since the techincal aspects were talked about because of all the cash wasteage but what is the reason we can't just put faster trains on the lines that already exist? Is it about weight bearing and them not being suitable for high speed trains or just that they can't think that strategically to either do this or set out an industry so that you can travel fro Lon to Machester for under £150 at peak times? Also, you can already get to Brum in 2 hours and Manc in 2.5. It's hardly difficult is it?
or rather, it was, because just building a new line to Birmingham just creates a bottle neck at Birmingham and doesn't create much useful additional capacity
Thanks. But if it's about capacity, if they just actually sorted out the trains we have there could be twice as many doing the same distance on hte existing tracks. I cant do maths and even I can work that out! AICM millions to spend on something useful like the Manc to Sheffield idiocy of no main double lane road.
Ditto the trainwreck that is trying to get from east Yorks across to Liverpool or Leeds to Manc - so close and the trains are packed and old. I never go there and haven't lived there for years but the reports on jhow packed the trains are and the cancellations are just crazy.
The whole HS2 budget would have provided massively more economic and productivity benefit to the UK being spent on intra-north transport links with absolutely no changes to London connections
But you also have to acknowledge the reality that London is where 100% of the decision makers and planners sit. So large infrastructure that doesn't connect to London just does not get built, ever.
HS2 was what could be got, and now that's gone too. Apart from the London bit obviously.
But what they seem to singularly fail to observe is that the London to midlands/ the Norf already exist!! Virgin- etc Euston to Manc - 2.5 hours - very regular. Trains (think they still go from Paddington or Marylebone) to Brum New Street - 2 hours ish - very regular. Spending gazillions just to get a few people to meetings 20 mins earlier would, in most people's opinions, be a clusterf** of a waste of said gazillions.
Just give it to the Norf for decent East-West/ Liv/Manc services on the trains and buses. The price of bus fares in Manc compared to London are also mad and then they wonder why so many people drive vs in London where it's too much of a PITA to drive. FAOD I'm not Andy Burnham in disguise..
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far sighted as ever from this government....building for the 20th century rather than the 21st
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None of them will happen. It's all just lies. They will all be cancelled, one-by-one, like every other proposed transport project in the North the Tories have pulled the plug on.
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None of them will happen, but only because the Conservatives will be booted out before they can start ripping up trees.
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The assumption from London was that everyone in the North was dirt poor and needed faster connections to London to be 'levelled-up'.
All they really want is a fast tunnel through the Pennines to link everything together. Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Hull.
Major docks on both sides and an international airport in Manchester.
Existing links To London were fine.
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Tend to agree with that, broadly. Unfortunately, after scrapping the Manchester section of HS2, there is now insufficient infrastructure in Manchester to link to Liverpool and Leeds.
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What pancakes said.
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Taking the hard decisions for the long term.
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lol, apparently they're starting an immediate fire sale of land bought for HS2 phase 2 to guarantee that labour cannot reverse the decision.
they should actually be in gaol. not even a joke anymore, they are traitors to the united kingdom who should be put in prison.
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I'm kind of worried about what they are going to do when this "cars or nothing" approach doesn't get them re elected
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every single penny will be spent on hundreds of new transport projects in the North and the Midlands and across the country
No it won't
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Wow. Just wow. No doubt the likes of Richard Desmond will be absolutely filling their boots.
Doing this in the current market is not far short of Gordon Brown selling off half of the UK's gold reserves in 1999.
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What worries me is what they'll do if that approach does get them re-elected...
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Shall we set up a GoFundMe to buy all the land and complete HS2? 400% ticket price uplift for Brexiteers and Tories.
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and we're off
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This will lose them the North.
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Chambers, you ever been to the North? There is an international airport in Manchester. Next to Heathrow and Gatwick it has higher passenger numbers than any other airport in UK. Its just had a new terminal built and another one on way.
However, I agree with the rest of your post.
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Gammons like cars. Brum brum...
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The North remembers.
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I like trains, but if we wanted to double down on cars that would be okay too. Like America.
But we don't do that either. The main road connecting Manchester and Sheffield is the Snake Pass ffs.
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I can’t get over what criminals the Tories are.
this whole episode has Cummings written all over it by the way. He’s been back advising. He’s utterly determined to bring the UK down.
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Oh the snake pass, which you can’t even drive through most of the time because yet another person has tried to overtake but ended up causing a pile up. My latest experience of that being just short of two weeks ago.
it is one of the biggest jokes in Western Europe that two big cities like Manchester and Sheffield don’t have decent transport connections between them. Almost as bad as there not being a motorway up the east coast to Scotland.
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imagine if you told a French or Swiss highway engineer that we have two large cities 40 miles apart and they can only be connected by a single lane road because of the Peak District lmao
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Absolute joke
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How are those 40 new hospitals coming along?
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There is of course also no new money for roads.
An absolutely disgraceful piece of sh1t. Just look at the list ffs, Nottingham tram for example was built over ten fvcking years ago. How dare they put this into the public domain?! The utter contempt they have for the nation is staggering.
Wtf is this sh1t
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no inheritance tax tho
just imagine how much you'll save when you're dead
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They are spending more money on Northern Railways
https://inews.co.uk/news/hs2-manchester-leg-contracts-signed-up-before-…
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HS2 contracts worth £300m were signed off seven days before Manchester leg was scrapped.
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this list of projects is such a fiasco one wonders whether it's actually a clever piece of sabotage by someone in the DfT who has had it with the cretins he or she has to work for
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Nah, the government is that incompetent.
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Its just a banter govt at this stage
GE please
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It's so long ago since the techincal aspects were talked about because of all the cash wasteage but what is the reason we can't just put faster trains on the lines that already exist? Is it about weight bearing and them not being suitable for high speed trains or just that they can't think that strategically to either do this or set out an industry so that you can travel fro Lon to Machester for under £150 at peak times? Also, you can already get to Brum in 2 hours and Manc in 2.5. It's hardly difficult is it?
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What I don't understand is the
"There is no money for HS2"
But
"We are going to spend the same on other stuff"
But
" we can scrap HS2 and then use it to pay for IHT being scrapped"
It's just simply illogical for even the most idiotic person
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Maid_M - I think it is signalling
Plus HS2 is about capacity not just speed
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it's mainly about capacity
or rather, it was, because just building a new line to Birmingham just creates a bottle neck at Birmingham and doesn't create much useful additional capacity
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Oh good, I see the Euston bit is actually contingent on unsecured private funding, so we may still end up with the Old Oak Common express
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Thanks. But if it's about capacity, if they just actually sorted out the trains we have there could be twice as many doing the same distance on hte existing tracks. I cant do maths and even I can work that out! AICM millions to spend on something useful like the Manc to Sheffield idiocy of no main double lane road.
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Ditto the trainwreck that is trying to get from east Yorks across to Liverpool or Leeds to Manc - so close and the trains are packed and old. I never go there and haven't lived there for years but the reports on jhow packed the trains are and the cancellations are just crazy.
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https://x.com/LouHaigh/status/1709937815256248787?s=20
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Agree with MM. Liverpool to Manchester same rather than what should be should be a bustling decent commuter line/ route to airports.
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The whole HS2 budget would have provided massively more economic and productivity benefit to the UK being spent on intra-north transport links with absolutely no changes to London connections
But you also have to acknowledge the reality that London is where 100% of the decision makers and planners sit. So large infrastructure that doesn't connect to London just does not get built, ever.
HS2 was what could be got, and now that's gone too. Apart from the London bit obviously.
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so fvking depressing.
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But what they seem to singularly fail to observe is that the London to midlands/ the Norf already exist!! Virgin- etc Euston to Manc - 2.5 hours - very regular. Trains (think they still go from Paddington or Marylebone) to Brum New Street - 2 hours ish - very regular. Spending gazillions just to get a few people to meetings 20 mins earlier would, in most people's opinions, be a clusterf** of a waste of said gazillions.
Just give it to the Norf for decent East-West/ Liv/Manc services on the trains and buses. The price of bus fares in Manc compared to London are also mad and then they wonder why so many people drive vs in London where it's too much of a PITA to drive. FAOD I'm not Andy Burnham in disguise..
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