I still have a strange feeling that May's proposal will scrape through. I don't think I could face another six months of uncertainty as we have another vote and then work out how to implement the outcome.
I thought when it came out that May's plan would scrape through
now, not sure
If it fails then Peoples Vote seems like the only way out without a Tory hard brexit implosion that will make the poll tax look like a wet bank holiday and hand power to Corbyn
I think it will go through, Spain will vote the deal down because of the Gibraltar wording, then invade Gibraltar. This will cause an EU-UK war which will spread to the rest of the world. It will stay conventional for 3 years, but early in year 4 a nuke fight will kick off. Humanity will die out except for the native inhabitants of Easter Island and one bloke called Ethelred Spode who was there on holiday when the "nuclear) balloon went up.
Thereafter, the stone heads on the islands will be known as "camerons" or "moon faces" in memory of the man who ultiamtely ended civilisation.
I think it's about 60% likely that we will have Ref2 and vote remain, 35% likely that we will crash out with no deal, 5% likely that May's deal goes through.
There is no point in parliament voting down a deal as "the worst of both worlds" and then offering a referendum between deal and no deal. Remain will have to be on the ballot.
I mean, I suppose it's possible that parliament will bottle it and vote for May's deal. But right now, with every opposition party plus some of her own saying they plan to vote against it, the numbers are against her. And then your only options are deal or no deal... and as much as parliament is scared of going against "the will of the people" and ignoring the result of the referendum, once they're staring down the barrel of no deal they'll be even more scared about the consequences of letting that happen on the authority of 51% of those who voted, and they'll want to pass the buck back to the electorate, "just to check".
Elphi, neither the Tories nor Labour will succeed in getting the EU to offer a "better deal", or to extend the withdrawal period for further negotiations.
I think the only way to have one would be to extend the art 50 deadline, otherwise there isn't time. I can't see how that would pass at the moment - there doesn't appear yet to be a coherent strategy on behalf of the people's vote campaign as to how they get there.
If that is in any way representative I think the y column needs to be a bit more loaded than it is currently if we’re gojng to get a people’s vote. There is time however, and I expect this to shift once the deal is defeated in parliament.
The “no brexit” thing is clearly calculated and has now been repeated, it’s clever enough that it actually makes it seem like she’s warning the brexiters while actually giving the way out (or in) to the remainers and not actually directly cleaving the party in two.
cookie why do you blame Labour for failing to stop the Tories wrecking the country? I agree Labour have not done well on this but surely the primary fault must be with the Tory party - this whole fiasco was to repair an internal rift and it has not even succeeded in doing that.
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I'd like one, whether that means we get one.... I doubt it, I'm not often right.
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I still have a strange feeling that May's proposal will scrape through. I don't think I could face another six months of uncertainty as we have another vote and then work out how to implement the outcome.
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Right so that is 2xN (read the rules people)
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I thought when it came out that May's plan would scrape through
now, not sure
If it fails then Peoples Vote seems like the only way out without a Tory hard brexit implosion that will make the poll tax look like a wet bank holiday and hand power to Corbyn
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Y but there won't be an option for No Brexit. It'll be the May deal or no deal which tbh is a massive waste of time
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I think it will go through, Spain will vote the deal down because of the Gibraltar wording, then invade Gibraltar. This will cause an EU-UK war which will spread to the rest of the world. It will stay conventional for 3 years, but early in year 4 a nuke fight will kick off. Humanity will die out except for the native inhabitants of Easter Island and one bloke called Ethelred Spode who was there on holiday when the "nuclear) balloon went up.
Thereafter, the stone heads on the islands will be known as "camerons" or "moon faces" in memory of the man who ultiamtely ended civilisation.
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I think it's about 60% likely that we will have Ref2 and vote remain, 35% likely that we will crash out with no deal, 5% likely that May's deal goes through.
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FFS it’s a poll. Y or N
bloody scotch.
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Happy now?
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Only way out I can see - no majority for any course of action in HoC so I think they’ll pass the ball
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Zero Gravitas20 Nov 18 14:51
FFS it’s a poll. Y or N
bloody scotch.
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It's not a fcuking poll because there is no poll! crank out a survey monkey or not
fooking Angles no wonder Germany kicked them out! couldn't organise a bum rape in a barracks
hence the current predicament re brexit!
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I’ve got the barracks if you’ve got the bum, sweetcheeks
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I'd rather a NO deal than either of those, Wellers
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There is no point in parliament voting down a deal as "the worst of both worlds" and then offering a referendum between deal and no deal. Remain will have to be on the ballot.
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I think it's as inevitable as Parliament voting the brexit deal down. Almost as if it was scripted.
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I mean, I suppose it's possible that parliament will bottle it and vote for May's deal. But right now, with every opposition party plus some of her own saying they plan to vote against it, the numbers are against her. And then your only options are deal or no deal... and as much as parliament is scared of going against "the will of the people" and ignoring the result of the referendum, once they're staring down the barrel of no deal they'll be even more scared about the consequences of letting that happen on the authority of 51% of those who voted, and they'll want to pass the buck back to the electorate, "just to check".
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Elphi, neither the Tories nor Labour will succeed in getting the EU to offer a "better deal", or to extend the withdrawal period for further negotiations.
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Y with a single transferable vote
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...it will take too long to agree the question, if it ever can be agreed.
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Y, it is the only way forward.
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I think the only way to have one would be to extend the art 50 deadline, otherwise there isn't time. I can't see how that would pass at the moment - there doesn't appear yet to be a coherent strategy on behalf of the people's vote campaign as to how they get there.
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I'm starting to feel more hopeful that parliament will actually wake up and stop "no deal" from happening.
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Y:N 11:7 currently.
If that is in any way representative I think the y column needs to be a bit more loaded than it is currently if we’re gojng to get a people’s vote. There is time however, and I expect this to shift once the deal is defeated in parliament.
Also, what bentines said.
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"If that is in any way representative I think the y column needs to be a bit more loaded than it is currently if we’re gojng to get a people’s vote"
you are changing the question, you asked did we think, not would we like
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Ok game on. TMPM has just repeated the “no brexit” line in pmqs.
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I am going to lol so hard if Theresa May manages to kill Brexit.
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I just have a feeling referendum will be seen as too big a risk.
Reckon May will come up with a compromise to appease either Labour or the SNP and it will get through despite Tory rebellion.
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You could easily fix a referendum so the worst outcome is May's deal rather than no deal.
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The “no brexit” thing is clearly calculated and has now been repeated, it’s clever enough that it actually makes it seem like she’s warning the brexiters while actually giving the way out (or in) to the remainers and not actually directly cleaving the party in two.
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Plus it’s the one thing she can do that might stave off an election if the bill doesn’t get through.
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cookie why do you blame Labour for failing to stop the Tories wrecking the country? I agree Labour have not done well on this but surely the primary fault must be with the Tory party - this whole fiasco was to repair an internal rift and it has not even succeeded in doing that.
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I have certainly lost faith in democracy, perhaps the Chinese have it right after all.
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Some politician on the radio saying we wont have a no deal brexit because parliament wouldnt vote for it.
i thought a no deal brexit was the default position of having no deal by 30 March - doesnt require a Commons vote??
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