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EVs make all ICE cars feel a bit crap and old

So much faster too. Nothing except a super car will keep up with mine. 

150 miles - pull the other one.

I could easily smash 250 in the GTS at great pace and luxury, laughing at the luddites as I pass on my never ending wave of torques.

In general, I reject travelling for this distance in a car like more civilised people of course.

Not much range anxiety in that Taycan thread…😀

I was particularly taken by the chappie talking about whether he was driving with a following wind, and another one worrying about how much less mileage he would get if it was raining.

I like those pubs that used to be coaching inns. You know the ones. A big courtyard rooms and stabling. Charge the horses while you have a pint. I could get on board with this more relaxed way of travelling. But watch out for highwaymen. 

But it wouldn't be like that. It would be Teals on the A303. Posh service stations with farm shop cafe and screaming children. £25 dog bowls. Yearning for the days when you could just drive home in one go with the radio on. 

Range issues are non-issues for 99% of drivers because in real life people don't drive 200 miles a day other than on a weekend away and frequently not even then. 

The real us/them isn't ICE/EV as much as modest gaff/large gaff with space for off-street parking. 

If you live in a block of flats in the UK then good luck getting access to a charger. If instead you've done well in life and have a nice house  with a drive and garage then installing your own charging point is a breeze. Log on, register, pay the fee and some nice young man comes round and does it all for you. 

You then sign up for ubercheap overnight electricity rates through Octopus and u dun. The EV has a full tank every morning. 

What Iike about EVs:

1. Instant torque. So much more fun. 

2. Mad acceleration. As above. 

3. Practically silent. No exhaust note? Thank Christ. 

4. Up to date infotainment because built from the ground up, so no legacy electronics from an ICE predecessor released in 2011. 

5. As many ways to tweak the drive as there are ways to tweak the appearance and functioning of your iPhone, since the whole thing is really a computer on wheels. 

6. Blasting ICE drivers into the rear view mirror at will. 

7. Way cheaper running costs. 

8.Way cheaper maintenance since no engine to maintain. 

It does 250 easy - Heathrow and Back is my maximum journey. Just whazz it in range mode and off you go, wafting past the brokies.

The ONLY marginal flaw is it’s width.

It's a shame Elon is such a cock. If the latest model 3 had a few more conventional controls and ran android auto, I might actually consider one. Amazing motor and battery tech. No they're not that well built, but neither is most of the output from Bavaria these days TBH.

What’s the point of a fast car? Entertainment and status. What’s the point of a new iPhone when you could get by with a budget blower? Now you’re getting it. 

my cousin has an EV and says that if you want the heating on or to play music then the range decreases massively.  

I wouldn't want the stress of having to find an available, working charger that fits the car.  All garages sell petrol.   

EVs are ace for silent wafting - the speed is a pleasant side product. 
 

Those of us who are gentlemen prefer to leisure waft and not eject toxic gasses into our home towns and villages.

Porsche are sat on hundreds of Taycans they can't shift, prices have plummeted and no-one wants them. I have multiple Porsche dealerships emailing me trying to shift them, but I'll stick with my other two ICE Porsche's for now.

“my cousin has an EV and says that if you want the heating on or to play music then the range decreases massively.

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Hes shitetalking re music. Speakers and also are low power devices. There is some fall off re heating, but “massive”…

range on a high end tesla or similar is always 250miles +

Yes, but we're presently taking the p*ss out of Taycans, we can do Teslas in a bit if you like ?

Hes shitetalking re music. Speakers and also are low power devices. There is some fall off re heating, but “massive”…

Agreed. About 5-20W in normal use, would take approx 1 year to drain a large EV battery using the stereo.

after a few months of driving an EV it is amazing how loud, uncouth and crap ICE cars now appear

2012 called, it wants its cliches back. How's the tyre noise on that Model S ?

I had been tempted by a Taycan for a while, driven all the Tesla Performance models (not the plaid) but not any of the Taycans. 

They do look amazing and I think "range anxiety" is a fantastic phrase to help OEMs shift ICE cars, the range is fine. .however I dont fancy going electric for the moment so have stuck with ICE cars for now. 

However I do think the performance of high end EVs may be somewhat overstated by 0-60 & 1/4 mile times being so good - i.e. from a standing start they have a huge advantage. 

The Taycan GTS is about 260 Hp/tonne which is really great, but it has lots of ICE company around it.
If you have a look at the autosnout power to weight listings there is a huge amount of ICE machinery with massively higher power to weight (the GTS is not listed, Taycan Turbo S is listed at 327)

a few cars that sit higher include

f80 M3
f10 M5
Audi S8
Audi RS6 (2014) 
Mustang 5.0 

the MG SV R X power comes in at 256 HP

I am not saying the Taycan is not quick, supremeley quick, and the power delivery and traction mean it will out perform cars with similar power to weight but I think there are a lot of ICE cars which would be a lot quicker.

A simple remap on a lot of M cars can create some serious numbers - an F10 M5 will get 750 on stock turbos taking it closer to 370 Hp/tonne (but yes, it may then blow up if not done properly, you get what you pay for) 

Yes most cars above that figure are serious machinery, but any mapped M4/M5/M6, AMG RS4, RS6 is going to be well beyond that territory.  

Whilst it is great fun to put your foot down and hear a big Porsche ICE tell you you are alive, you can't drive faster than 70 anyway so speed is a bit of a stupid argument 

so

1. You can drive faster than 70, its just illegal
2. There are roads where it is legal
3. There are race tracks where it is legal AND encouraged
4. There are events where it is legal AND encouraged

There are a lot of willy/labia waving people who do buy cars for the brand

however many people do genuinely buy them for the performance and handling 
 

No one cares how much above 70 mph a car goes. They all go well in excess and 99% of the time this fact has no significance.

The action is what happens under 70 mph. Hence 0-60.

 

0-60 is fun but I only do it when I'm driving alone and that's rare. Not driving aggressively with the kids in the car. That's not alpha 

Appreciate many people are single so probably do it for fun 

0-60 is irrelevant, nobody ever does that unless you're at a drag race or a traffic light tw4t. 

30-70 or 50-90 are far more relevant numbers and back in the day both were quoted in car literature. 

Most people regularly drive over 70 and lots of people regularly drive over 90/100, lots of places you can do that safely, whether legal or not. 

At the risk of getting too dweeby and into this chat (don't worry i'lll be off to PH in a minute), if you think Hp/tonne is irrelevant you really are not likely to be very into your cars, or rather, driving them properly (by properly I mean at the extreme end of their capability).  Of course you may be the exception but it is generally accepted as a very meaningful metric.

It is the reason that my stripped out caged french hatch back, with probably circa 180hp, is likely to get round a small and technical track quicker than my 600hp German daily. Its why MX5s are amazing drivers cars despite low power levels - and its one of the reasons (there are others) that you generally do not see EVs on trackdays. 

There is a big gap in the EV market which is for a small agile car (twizy notwithstanding) - and the problem is the battery weight, but there do seem to be a few things going on at renault/alpine and elsewhere that might change this. OR alternatively you can just put a tesla battery in an old MX5! 

It’s all about the torque in an EV. That and immense traction.

As gentlemen, we waft on our never-ending wave of torque. We waft past the brokies in their slow vehicle. We waft from 30 to 70 is two seconds. 
 

All ICE cars feel poo now. Poo and OLD FASHIONED.

EVs for the gentlemen. Diesel shite wagons for the brokies.

 

We waft at pace since we have business to attend to and important family engagements to uphold. 
 

There’s no desperation. EVs are for men and women who are in control.

Unlike the diesel powered brokies - who are in command of nothing in their lives. 

I have a vision of Celery, en route to a family wedding,  wafting purposefully into Taunton Deane services, to behold a  queue of 35 other EV's waiting to use the one working charger.

I sometimes forget that car people exist

they must be the chodes that come up behind fast and tailgate you when you’re doing 80 in the fast lane

Jizzing over their torque and calling other road users normies

The social equivalent of people who get competitive over how much RAM their self-build PC has

People who drive EVs are like vegans, they'll always tell you about it. They're either lower middle class gimps in a model 3 who think they're saving the planet with their child labour car or they don't care that much about cars and drive it for the tax benefits. Having said that, I know of a couple of others who daily the EV for the tax benefits but also have a Range Rover and GT3RS for proper journeys/fun. 

Range Rovers are comical. Everyone has a black one, just to advertise how unusually successful they are, like everyone else. Whenever I see one change lanes on the M25 I think there goes another £5 note.

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