My father died in his mid-70s and everyone, almost without exception, commented how premature it was nowadays. There's certainly no reasonable expectation that someone would die at 61.
I can’t stand either her or her hubbie they’re awful but even by your standards you’re desperate. I’ll leave it to others to make the obvs observations about the phantom shagger but just get some extra therapy sessions. You’re welcome.
Fair bit more than that given that he is a middle class professional from the South of England who is not (to my knowledge) a smack addict, smoker or alcoholic
There are plenty of reasons not to have a child so late, but worrying about an untimely death isn’t one of them. What a bizarre OP. Although not particularly surprising, given the poster!
Whilst there might be an average of deaths or ill health by a certain age, if you are are fit and healthy at say 50 then you are in a different bracket of odds.
That being said, i lacked energy for a second child by 40's let alone 50's.
She will no doubt C section and they'll have plenty of money for nannies. Not sure it will be THAT rough on her. I have a who sprogged late 40s and while I am not sure they are knackered they are doing fine.
Very, very good chance of her making it to 75 and while losing your mum in your late 20s is rough I am not sure it is horrific, definitely going to fvck you up tragedy level for most people. Her dad did die quite young though.
my son arrived when I was 50 - I’d recommend doing it younger and I’m very tired but it’s fine. different for birds of course and tho you may be oldandgrumpy it’s not always the women who do all the work - times are changing (slowly!) but it will never be 50/50. wish I could afford hot nannies.
Might not be, some women just stay fertile. Fair play to them. Can’t help but think it wasn’t planned but it checked out re tests for everything and they decided to go with it.
There definitely is a sexism in that dads at 51 are unremarkable but then breeding is sexist and men don't have the very nutrients leached from their bones by parenthood nor the tone from their muscles. I suppose they won't be a burden on the nhs because no one gets to be these days.
Isn't she worried the kid could be an orphan by ten??
Given the average life expectancy of a 51 year-old woman in England is 33.57 years and for a 49 year-old man it’s 32.39 years, this is, statistically speaking, very unlikely.
And probably will be by 25.
Again, statistically speaking, unlikely and certainly not “probably’.
Of course, like the rest of us, Vicky and Dave could perish in a freak accident tomorrow but why worry about something like that?
I suppose my perspective is influenced by knowing people who developed life-limiting conditions in their 40s and 50s. It gives you a foretaste of the end and the restrictions it will bring. Until you have that point of view I think it seems like everything will be fine right up until c.60 when it suddenly (sorry guys) just isn't. Even if not dead what if you are in hospital for a long period. Who will cover - the grandparents?
(I know that people just do shyt and see what happens and this is the correct way to live on the whole but the naivety about the second half of life and what it will bring astounds me)
(I suppose this is why good end of life care doesn't exist also - no one thinks it will happen to them)
breeding isn’t sexist! where is the prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination in biological facts? I guess you mean the social overlay on the breeding facts.
breeding in later life does mean that it’s likely you’re not going to have support from your own parents - mine are in their mid 90s and can’t help at all. I hope my son finds a good quality young brood mare and gets on with having kids while I’m young enough to get properly involved!
I've know a great many people get through their 40's, 50's and 60's without developing life-limiting conditions but have one relative who developer hers before she was ten. It's all largely chance but most families with something nasty in their genes will be aware of it and take it into account.
I'm actually a little triggered by this negative bullsh.
VC will live as long as life allows her, if that means that her new daughter is only 20, she'll get over it. I'd do anything to have had that amount of time with my own mum who keeled over suddenly at 48
I'm closing in on 50 and have a 2 year old. It deffo concerns me that I'll cark it when she's still v young. Not sure why people think this thread is particularly weird.
On a slightly different note, it amuses me that a geriatric pregnancy is one where the mum is 35 or more.
I'm closing in on 50 and have a 2 year old. It deffo concerns me that I'll cark it when she's still v young. Not sure why people think this thread is particularly weird.
The weirdness is the odd conclusion people seem to make that it was wrong to have the child and unfair on them to be created. Goose do you think you shouldn't have had your kid? Eddie, I presume you are still happy to exist, despite losing your Mum early in your life?
nothing I could do about it but just get on with it. Not going to lie but looking back it's so obvious to me that my life took a huge change of direction. I was mummy's boy and had no relationship with my Dad and for many years, we really didn't like each other.
Naomi Campbell also just had her second at 51 and is in the media about how wonderful it is. Not everyone's life works out to have sprogs when you're younger. There are so may unwanted and neglected children in the world we should be celebrating happy, loving households wherever we can, whatever the age of the parentals. Also what others said on having time and money to afford help, lucky them!
I think wealth is the key point here- she will be fine while it would arguably be madness to have a child at 50 if you still had to work full time for 10-15 years and could not afford help
OG that's a bit dismissive. Lots of people have more energy in their 50s and their priorities are completely on track but they weren't in a position to have a child earlier. What if they didnt meet a suitable partner in their youth? What if they couldnt afford to have a child before that age and saved for years to be able to do so? What it they have no family/ support network to do it alone before that age and make lifestyle choices ie moving arund the country / changing jobs/ working hard to a promotion just so that they can have a family? What if they spent the previous few years of time and life savings o fertility treatment or their partner walked out unexpectedly? I know women for each of these scenarios.
Not everyone has the classic marry and sprog life story by 35, no matter how much they want it. Natlie Imbruglia and Jen Aniston cases in point - both wanted the classic 2.4 marriage and family and didn't get it for various reasons, despite being successful and beautiful.
I think the weight thing isn't as big an issue as people think it is as the very overweight women I know all had no issues getting preggers and it's the healthy ones who did all the diets/ cut backs/ special teas etc who've struggled or gave up
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She’s fab. Congratulations to her.
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It’s quite unlikely both she and her husband will be dead in 10 years tbf
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Why on earth would Victoria die at the age of 61? She's not from Scotland, is she??
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Life expectancy in Hampstead is about 98
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But it's not uncommon to die before 70.
I think it's a bit weird not to worry about this when creating a person
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I suppose the older sibling can take over
:-/
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It does happen that people die young, of course. But that could almost as easily happen at 51 as 61.
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could get hit by a bus tomorrow
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Exactly. Even I know that. And I'm not a world famous medical practitioner like Chimp.
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Pretty unusual to be read at 75 these days tbf
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*dead
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Dread to think what the state pension will be when o reach 51
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My father died in his mid-70s and everyone, almost without exception, commented how premature it was nowadays. There's certainly no reasonable expectation that someone would die at 61.
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About a fifth of men in the UK die before 65...
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Don't get me wrong, men do it so I like that she's levelling things. But they one old duo to be having a baby.
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Most of those will be suicides, overdoses, boozers, car crashes etc
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I'm sure she would have weighed up the odds before allowing David to go 'all in'.
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Heart disease cancer kidney disease
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That’s usually the boozers (or heavy smokers if you’re retro)
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couldn’t give a fvck
and
no she probably isn’t
extremely unlikely she’ll be dead by 76 FYI FYI
women her generation are going to routinely live to 100
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“About a fifth of men in the UK die before 65.”
so in other words this child’s father is 80% likely not to be dead by 65
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I can’t stand either her or her hubbie they’re awful but even by your standards you’re desperate. I’ll leave it to others to make the obvs observations about the phantom shagger but just get some extra therapy sessions. You’re welcome.
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Fair bit more than that given that he is a middle class professional from the South of England who is not (to my knowledge) a smack addict, smoker or alcoholic
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yeah barring extreme bad luck they are both going to live for a good while yet
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Jesus.
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This is going to play merry hell with their knees
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There are plenty of reasons not to have a child so late, but worrying about an untimely death isn’t one of them. What a bizarre OP. Although not particularly surprising, given the poster!
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I mean, healthy life expectancy is c.63
So even if you're not dead you're likely to have serious issues to contend with around parents evenings
I appreciate this is the wrong market for "sometimes old age is a thing" chat
I think it's funny how touchy most of you are about this...
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Two kids?
They will soon have a full house.
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(especially Mr daddy issues up there)
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Are these puns from her game show? I assume yes
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Fair play to her and I have absolutely no opinion on this
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“I mean, healthy life expectancy is c.63”
I mean, you keep saying this but with zero apparent fact base.
Everyone I know aged 65-80 is fairly healthy and active. Was on a walking holiday with quite a few of the old coots lately.
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Heh also @ “so yes I was wrong about the dead thing but what about this other thing? Aaaaaah-haaaaa! Touchy
I’m not touchy, I’m going to be skateboarding at 90. NB I can’t skateboard now
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I'm not saying you won't make it to 90 laz, I am saying having a baby at 51 is bad health times for a bird
Although, as above, I do approve on the basis of fook dem men with their refusal to have a sell by
(Although presumably she used a donor egg which raises its own ethical issues)
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She will soon have a full house because she is a poker player. A pair of children is good no? Can't leave the other kid on its own.
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Fook having a kid at 51
that’s all I’ll say
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Exhaustion. Having a baby at 51? No thank you.
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Fvckin state of this. Great life expectancy. A vigorous marriage. And a loving household. Plenty of dough for extra help if wanted or needed. Next
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Clergham is fond of talking about how much others fear age. Projection?
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Having a baby at 51 is exhauasting. Whatever way you look at it. It is always the woman who does the work. So, men, please go away. And, thank you
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Cngrtltns tthm
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What??
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Apparently the best news was that there was minimal water damage.
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Whilst there might be an average of deaths or ill health by a certain age, if you are are fit and healthy at say 50 then you are in a different bracket of odds.
That being said, i lacked energy for a second child by 40's let alone 50's.
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Victoria Coren Mitchell just had her second baby at 51
I wonder when she's planning on having her next one, then?
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She will no doubt C section and they'll have plenty of money for nannies. Not sure it will be THAT rough on her. I have a who sprogged late 40s and while I am not sure they are knackered they are doing fine.
Very, very good chance of her making it to 75 and while losing your mum in your late 20s is rough I am not sure it is horrific, definitely going to fvck you up tragedy level for most people. Her dad did die quite young though.
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I would say the fact that she's 51 and hasn't gone through the change, her physical health is quite good.
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my son arrived when I was 50 - I’d recommend doing it younger and I’m very tired but it’s fine. different for birds of course and tho you may be oldandgrumpy it’s not always the women who do all the work - times are changing (slowly!) but it will never be 50/50. wish I could afford hot nannies.
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It will almost certainly be a donor egg, per above, and that can be done post menopause.
Also chuckle at major abdo surgery meaning it's no biggie.
It's health madness.
I think if it were Katie price the blokes would be less defensive.
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Might not be, some women just stay fertile. Fair play to them. Can’t help but think it wasn’t planned but it checked out re tests for everything and they decided to go with it.
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There definitely is a sexism in that dads at 51 are unremarkable but then breeding is sexist and men don't have the very nutrients leached from their bones by parenthood nor the tone from their muscles. I suppose they won't be a burden on the nhs because no one gets to be these days.
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struggling to give that much of a fvck about other people‘s lives tbh
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Good for her.
Stop moaning about everything clergs, especially stuff that simply isn’t your business.
Next customer please!
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Rachel Weisz had a baby at 50-ish, didn't she? Anyway, i think it's great! All the more so if it was a surprise and mother and baby are healthy.
Finished watching Blue Zones last week, and long life while delaying decrepitude is apparently possible, huzzah!
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Phoebe’s only connect gag needs more love
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Given the average life expectancy of a 51 year-old woman in England is 33.57 years and for a 49 year-old man it’s 32.39 years, this is, statistically speaking, very unlikely.
Again, statistically speaking, unlikely and certainly not “probably’.
Of course, like the rest of us, Vicky and Dave could perish in a freak accident tomorrow but why worry about something like that?
Fair play to the two of them.
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She seems to have a lot of energy.
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I suppose my perspective is influenced by knowing people who developed life-limiting conditions in their 40s and 50s. It gives you a foretaste of the end and the restrictions it will bring. Until you have that point of view I think it seems like everything will be fine right up until c.60 when it suddenly (sorry guys) just isn't. Even if not dead what if you are in hospital for a long period. Who will cover - the grandparents?
(I know that people just do shyt and see what happens and this is the correct way to live on the whole but the naivety about the second half of life and what it will bring astounds me)
(I suppose this is why good end of life care doesn't exist also - no one thinks it will happen to them)
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Yeah but you’re in Scotland…
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yes Londoners famously live in rude health until 120 and it is definitely not impossible to get a medical appointment there
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The top 3 areas for life expectancy in the uk are in London.
I don’t need to tell you where the bits with the lowest life expectancy are…
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Yes but
That doesn't mean you're all making it to the top and it definitely doesn't mean you're still able to run the last couple of decades there
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Memento Mori everyone
It's later than u think
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breeding isn’t sexist! where is the prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination in biological facts? I guess you mean the social overlay on the breeding facts.
breeding in later life does mean that it’s likely you’re not going to have support from your own parents - mine are in their mid 90s and can’t help at all. I hope my son finds a good quality young brood mare and gets on with having kids while I’m young enough to get properly involved!
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Clergs, the evidence is against you on this. Maybe you should stop digging now.
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Hell is hearing people complain about other people’s children.
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I've know a great many people get through their 40's, 50's and 60's without developing life-limiting conditions but have one relative who developer hers before she was ten. It's all largely chance but most families with something nasty in their genes will be aware of it and take it into account.
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Clegs still being deeply weird about other people having children I see.
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I am genuinely surprised at how in denial you all are
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oo a new textbox!
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I mean, 20% of heart disease deaths are in the under 65s
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I'm actually a little triggered by this negative bullsh.
VC will live as long as life allows her, if that means that her new daughter is only 20, she'll get over it. I'd do anything to have had that amount of time with my own mum who keeled over suddenly at 48
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I think you're making Clergs's point for her.
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I'm closing in on 50 and have a 2 year old. It deffo concerns me that I'll cark it when she's still v young. Not sure why people think this thread is particularly weird.
On a slightly different note, it amuses me that a geriatric pregnancy is one where the mum is 35 or more.
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Possibly but most of my friends mothers lived well into their 80s / 90s, some are still going. I was incredibly unlucky
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Again, heavy boozers, smokers and people who spend their weekends down the carvery
Get a lot of them in working class family pubs like the Grey Lion…
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@clergs
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Which means 80% aren’t. You really are struggling with a very basic understanding of statistics.
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The weirdness is the odd conclusion people seem to make that it was wrong to have the child and unfair on them to be created. Goose do you think you shouldn't have had your kid? Eddie, I presume you are still happy to exist, despite losing your Mum early in your life?
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nothing I could do about it but just get on with it. Not going to lie but looking back it's so obvious to me that my life took a huge change of direction. I was mummy's boy and had no relationship with my Dad and for many years, we really didn't like each other.
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Clergs suddenly seems very worried about the health of people in their 50s
Is all well with honeybear?
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Jesus
He did die young but the risk of crucifixion is much lower today
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Naomi Campbell also just had her second at 51 and is in the media about how wonderful it is. Not everyone's life works out to have sprogs when you're younger. There are so may unwanted and neglected children in the world we should be celebrating happy, loving households wherever we can, whatever the age of the parentals. Also what others said on having time and money to afford help, lucky them!
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Honeybear is staring down a full Connery
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I totally #heart# David Mitchell and would marry him if VCM gets fed up with him
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Janet Jackson was also 50
Hilary Sw**k was 48
Cameron Diaz was 47
Natalie Imbruglia did alone last year at 46
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Surprised the second coming hasn't made more of an impact tbf.
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I think wealth is the key point here- she will be fine while it would arguably be madness to have a child at 50 if you still had to work full time for 10-15 years and could not afford help
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ur right that it makes a difference but you can't actually outsource parenthood
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(I know that attempting to do so is the whole point of Eton etc)
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HEH@ Hilary Sw**k
damnit rof
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Nope, nope nope. You do need energy for young children. In your 50's, no. Priorities change.
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yes, and time, and an engaged partner.
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Isn’t she quite overweight? Surely not a great idea to have a baby if you’re overweight and an older woman.
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I’m sure her doctors have advised accordingly 🙄
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Once children are 21 you’re useless to them anyway. Worry less about dying and more about leaving them a stash that sets them up.
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OG that's a bit dismissive. Lots of people have more energy in their 50s and their priorities are completely on track but they weren't in a position to have a child earlier. What if they didnt meet a suitable partner in their youth? What if they couldnt afford to have a child before that age and saved for years to be able to do so? What it they have no family/ support network to do it alone before that age and make lifestyle choices ie moving arund the country / changing jobs/ working hard to a promotion just so that they can have a family? What if they spent the previous few years of time and life savings o fertility treatment or their partner walked out unexpectedly? I know women for each of these scenarios.
Not everyone has the classic marry and sprog life story by 35, no matter how much they want it. Natlie Imbruglia and Jen Aniston cases in point - both wanted the classic 2.4 marriage and family and didn't get it for various reasons, despite being successful and beautiful.
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Tbh agree re overweight (but that really is straying too far into meanness). If you have the money you can buy anything, though. Except health ofc.
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I think the weight thing isn't as big an issue as people think it is as the very overweight women I know all had no issues getting preggers and it's the healthy ones who did all the diets/ cut backs/ special teas etc who've struggled or gave up
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