Game of Thrones S8 Ep2 (ft Spoilaz)

eg you may watch pron and happily watch a 22 year old have sex but if it became apparent it was your neighbours daughter/son who you have known since the age of 11 I think most people would switch off.

That you feel uncomfortable I think says more about you than it does the writing or acting on the show.

Juliette Lewis was a kid when she started but it doesn't mean there was something wrong with her being in Natural Born Killers. The change in age was about the same as Maisie's.

So by that logic did you feel creeped out when John snow had sex? As he was 14 when the series started.

Teclis, no because he was not played by a child,even when he was supposed to be 14.

What does it say about me blindtom?

blindtom I think you might find that a calipo has significance in the eons of time. Davos the braveheart used one to kill a dragon in the battle of the 99s.

Was it a giant calipo chucked like a spear? As well as the stabbyness of the spear you get the stinging citrus flavours.

let me just get this argument clear so I can wade in properly:

u r arguing about a fake sex scene carried out by a CGI’d body because the CGI’d body had the head of an actress aged 22 pretending to be a person aged 18 but she used to be an actress aged 14 playing a person aged 11

amirite?

No, some people are saying it made them feel uncomfortable and others, bizarrely, are arguing they should not have felt uncomfortable.

Straw man. People are saying the attempts to rationalise why you felt uncomfortable don't really hold water. Nor the implication that they shouldn't have put it in the show.

Feel as uncomfortable as you like.

It was a pretty poor episode. Just throw a bunch of characters in a room together for no reason other than to remind us who they are before a few die. Nowt really happened and I have little faith that they can wrap up a satisfactory ending in the few episodes they have left.

I can't see Bronn killing Jaime or Tyrion. It will be Cersei who ends up being shot with Chekhov's crossbow.

It was not an attempt to rationalise it was an attempt to explain - I felt uncomfortable as a viewer watching somebody I knew as a child have sex - not necessarily a rational response I accept, but nonetheless my response.

Ok then. Some thoughts.

Jamie and Brienne.

I thought this scene knighting Brienne was great. However, the one other thing I noticed here was that giant ruby glinting off the hilt of Jamie's sword.

Does that mean he is carrying 'Widow's Wail'?

(Forged by Tywin Lannister from the Valyrian steel sword Ice of House Stark and given to Joffrey after Ice was used to behead Ned Stark)

If so, that means along with Oathkeeper which he previously gave to Brienne the whole Ice blade is now back in Winterfell and being wielded in defence of the North once again.

Also this whole scene fits in nicely with Jamie's fever dreams after his hand was cut off back in Harrenhal, where he had visions of himself and Brienne standing back to back in the darkness of the crypts at Winterfell, wherein Cersei abandons him and he has to face all the ghosts of his past who were 'armoured in ice'. Brienne is the only one who stands with him. This dream explicitly leads to Jamie returning to Harrenhal to rescue Brienne in the books.

Arya and Gendry

The CGI body is well weird and very obvious. But what is even stranger is those two very distinct scars being exactly framed in shot as she undresses.

When did Arya get those? They don't match any known injuries that Arya has suffered and they look fairly new?!?

As for the she's too young brigade. Arya is constantly compared to Lyanna in the books and described as being very like her. Lyanna was younger than Arya is now when she ran off with Rheagar and gave birth to AeJon.

Sam/Bran and the Night King

Sam's detailed monologue about memory and death is just too out of place and extended to not mean something. It was far more than was necessary to explain why the Night King would want Bran dead.

But also recalls other bits and pieces to my mind along the way... such as Danaerys stating that she wants to 'break the wheel' and Ser Davos talking about the whole 'shit history of the Seven Kingdoms'..

What if wiping out the complete history of Westeros wouldn't be a bad thing? What if all the bad blood between the Houses could be erased and forgotten? Would there be a better chance for peace afterwards if that could be done?

Also what if Bran is a misdirection by the Night King... what if he is really after someone else.

Danaerys

I'm really beginning to think Dany is never going to sit the Iron Throne.

I have suspicions that the Night King might actually be interested in her rather than Bran and that maybe he wants a wifey.

In the books there is a different story of the 'Night's King' who was the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch and who married an 'Other' (whitewalker).. and they ruled as King and Queen for over a decade before one of the Starks overthrew them.

What if ASOIAF is about the NK as Ice and Dany as Fire?

This would also fit in with Dany's vision in Qarth where her 'family' represented by Drogo and their son.. were waiting for her North of the Wall .... and the whole prophecy that she would only have another child when the sun rose in the wrong direction. ie. the world had been turned upside down.

Dtarg's arc has made her totally unlikeable. most of the others have had positive swings (jaime, sansa, even cersei). I dont know if that is deliberate plot or just she is a terrible actress.

last night I rewatched the episode and dreamed that someone powerful (maybe the remaining lannisters or starks) made Podrick a puppet king

I agree but I think Dany is intentionally unlikeable. I think she will become madder and madder and they’ll have to make a call as to whether she’s mad like her dad or not.

I totes agree that Podrick will end up doing something TOTALLY unexpected he has always been on the fringes of everything, Tyrions page boy, Bronn's buddy, Briennes offsider, saved Theon, saved Sansa etc etc and he just wouldn't have survived this long without a significant part to play.

The big theme I'm picking up on here is everything is just a repeat of the past.... over again.. see above points re whether destruction of memory and history would be a bad thing.

I'm half expecting the show to end on Jamie killing Cersei and then for him to just sit down on the Iron Throne and wait to see who comes to claim it … just like he did when he killed Aerys.

Show then just fades out with Jamie sitting on the throne waiting so we just never know who becomes the next King/Queen.

That would be a totally GRRM thing to do.

Mr FF said the same Scylla! He has Jamie down as taking Cersei out although he thinks Jamie might take the throne for himself but I can’t see that happening.

Mr FF also pondered NK taking the throne with Cersei at his side.

I love that it’s not predictable but it’s killing me.

Pod also saved Tyrion by dragging him out of the water at the battle of blackwater rush after Cersei tried to have him killed by the Kingsguard.

Pod's actually played a pretty pivotal role in a lot of different events.

Fondant, almost anything could still happen, that's what makes it so damn good.

Oh and the other thing that occurs to me is where are Howland Reed and the crannogmen?

Sansa called ALL the Stark banners when the Wall was breached and in the last episode she instructed Royce to keep the gates open for as long as possible as people were still arriving...

So where are the Reeds and the Greywater Watch?

Remembering that Howland Reed is the only person who survived the Tower of Joy with Ned Stark and knows AeJon's true parentage.

Pod to beat the NK to death with his massive chopper imho

Pod doesn't have a massive chopper.

It was some other 'very hard to explain' talent of his that made all the prostitutes love Pod.

Size was specifically discounted as the reason by the pro's themselves.

I think if Howland Reed was going to appear it would have happened by now. He doesn't mean much to non-book readers and I can't see them introducing him at this late stage.

yeh no one gives a fook about the bog people.

Agreed, they'll be written out. too late to bring in new key characters (see eg the lame Euron attempting to be more evil than ramsey).

He may not mean much to non book readers...

But when Meera left she specifically stated she was going home to be with her family and father and Meera has been a big part of the show...

Also, why include Howland Reed at the Tower of Joy at all in Bran's visions if no intention for him to be brought in, they could have just had one of the other 5 nameless dudes there kill Ser Arthur Dayne and then just die of his wounds. Leaving Ned as sole survivor of the whole debacle.

Personally, I will be disappointed if there are no crannogmen.

Almost as disappointed as I was with the last pathetic Ghost appearance.

Scylla's thoughts fascinating as always... who is packing v steel now? Jon, Jaime, Brienne, Arya, Jorah, anyone else?

Spuria is convinced that Cersei is going to offer herself to the Night King - her court is just that creep and four or five dead warriors now anyway (when did the other three or four appear? Don't remember them before ep 1). Euron can't be trusted and the golden company don't need to be paid if they die.

Also think Dany has jumped the shark.

Apparently the ending is not going to be ambiguous, it's going to be definitive. A few of the cast have said so, must have been given permission to say that.

I'm sure Cersei would happily offer herself up to the NK.

I don't see any reason why he would accept her as she can offer him nothing he can't just take for himself.

Also she has been rejected twice before as a bride for a king (Aerys rejected her for both Rheagar and Viserys) so rejection would again fit with her arc.

Those listed are all those bearing Valyrian steel that we know of..

The only other one possibly carrying would have been Lord Royce, but his family lost their sword many years before during the Dance of the Dragons and the storming of the Dragonpit.. :(

Surely the Iron Bank will have a role to play as well, no? Cersei is up to her eyeballs in debt, and if she has borrowed to hire the Golden Company then presumably the Golden Company will answer to the Iron Bank. Otherwise, what's the point of introducing them at all.

I don't want this show to end and I love that they've managed to keep a lid on spoilers and that we have no idea what will happen.

but then what else are we going to tede on about :( ?

I thought she’s paid the iron bank back with interest with the High Garden winnings?

Wonder if the Night King will offer to resurrect Cersei’s kids. I’d like to hear him speak but he doesn’t seem to be the negotiating type.

I think we're past the point where the fate of the 7 kingdoms is determined by a bank. It would be deeply unsatisfying to many fans to see Cersei get her comeuppance at the hands of a largely faceless organisation than at the hands of one of the many who she has wronged. I agree it probably should have a role to play but I reckon it's just going to be scrapping and backstabbing from here on out.

Re: v steel - sword of dawn is around somewhere, Ned returned it to the Daynes. Also Blackfyre which was somewhere beyond the wall - and dark sister - also beyond the wall but as we have been told about it in the show I wouldn’t be surprised if it showed up. Arya only has a dagger. There is also house Bolton - which was a skinning knife - no idea what happened to that.

Dany stole the Highgarden booty when she crispy fried the Tarlys

There are SO many things that are still unresolved and open ended that I honestly have no idea what is going on or how they are going to resolve all of this. With respect to the questions about the Iron Bank and the Golden Company.

For me there is also a huge undercurrent of just WTF is going on with the Old Gods, the Seven, the Many Faced God, Rh'llor, the Iron Bank, the Faceless Men, the House of Black and White and the White Walkers.

I suspect there are various roles and relationships which aren't at all as clear as one would expect.

For example, the Faceless Men arose from the men enslaved in the mines of Valyria by the Dragon Lords before the Doom. They perfected the art of murdering their masters before rebelling and then escaping to establish Braavos.

So the Faceless Men established the entire island of Braavos. And we know absolutely nothing about the Iron Bank, its corporate entities, incorporation, history or shareholdings, except that it ALWAYS GETS ITS DUE. So I'm willing to bet that the Iron Bank and the Faceless Men are quite clearly and directly linked.

So, the Faceless Men and the many faced god they worship is essentially death and the many faces of death and as Gendry says to Arya in relation to the wights and white walkers, 'they are death, that's what they are'..

Then Arya talks about having seen many of death's faces and she is looking forward to seeing this one. So there is this undercurrent of death worship going on there.

Oh and the other big thing most peeps wont be aware of, is that the Golden Company, which Cersei has just paid to have transported to Westeros was founded by one of the legitimized bastard sons of King Aegon IV Targaryen after the Blackfyre Rebellion.

So... that could be interesting.

Anyway this is all part of a big haze of material and stuff going on in the background which is doing my head in and I'm sure none of this will be resolved in the TV series.

The Highgarden booty was used to repay the existing debts to the Iron Bank and did reach Kings Landing.

Cersei then reborrowed to fund the hire of the Golden Company.

Scy do you ever wonder if you are a bit ocd?

But in the Series Dany attacked the train of booty with her dragons, no?

Supes.

Randall Tarly comes up to Jamie to report that the gold has been delivered through the gates at King's Landing and then wants jamie to encourage the tail of the convoy with whips to get them through the Blackwater Rush. Jamie responds saying he would rather not whip soldiers who fought well.

It is only then that the Dothraki and Drogo descend.. but gold is already clearly in King's Landing.

Wang.

No. I don't ever wonder. I know.