Nothing would have been said about 3560 hardened criminals being deported to the EU because the narrative was that we weren't able to without Brexiting.
This is probably my best hope of ticket out of this post Brexit shithole and back to the civilised lands of my anglosaxon ancestors. On this occasion the human rights mob can STFU.
About 5,000 UK citizens are serving sentences in prisons abroad. 6,000 a year or so are arrested and detained abroad.
Not sure whether you want them back, ??? and BC, but by your logic they should all be returned.
Similarly, I look forward to the Home Secretary zealously deporting foreign born nationals who have admitted conspiring to cause GBH to British citizens, abusing class A drugs and appearing to flout electoral law, as well as wilfully misleading more senior members of government and coming really remarkably close to treason. She can start with a particularly nefarious individual who apparently goes by the distinctly foreign-sounding moniker of Alexander de Pfeffel Johnson but prefers to use an alias, “Boris.”
The Dutch courts have actually started refusing to deport criminals to the U.K. because our prisons are over-populated and under-resourced.
On the whole, I can think of many better things in the criminal justice system to spend time, energy and money on than deporting citizens on grounds the court of appeal has in some cases not supported to a smaller, poorer nation that in many cases they have no real connection with.
They became adults here and became criminals here. They should serve their sentences here, be punished and rehabilitated here and go on to be productive members of society here.
the obvious way to solve this would have been for the jamaicans to say: we are not taking these people back, and we’re not allowing that plane to land.
You can gauge Patel’s intellectual skills, or lack of, by her continued attempt to justify this action with “they are serious criminals who have committed serious wah wah waaaaah”. Nobody denies that they’re serious criminals, it’s not germane in any way to the point that they are de facto british citizens and they’re our responsibility. I mean duuuuuuh.
I doubt Jamaica feels up to refusing to allow the plane to land. I suppose they could refuse to let the deportees in, but it’s then their responsibility to deal with them.
That, for me, is what really sucks about this whole miserable shitshow, the decision to abdicate responsibility and deport, make it someone else’s problem.
The right are very big on rhetoric about rights being balanced by responsibilities.
Yet deeply chilled about very real irresponsibility.
It’s almost like they talk shit, all the time, no?
They should just flat have refused. What are we going to do about it? Oh wah wah international law oh wah wah united nations. Tough shit britbongs, you’re not foisting your crims on us on a technicality, plane ain’t landin’
I would 100% have done this if I were the Jamaican PM
Similarly, I look forward to the Home Secretary zealously deporting foreign born nationals who have admitted conspiring to cause GBH to British citizens, abusing class A drugs and appearing to flout electoral law, as well as wilfully misleading more senior members of government and coming really remarkably close to treason. She can start with a particularly nefarious individual who apparently goes by the distinctly foreign-sounding moniker of Alexander de Pfeffel Johnson but prefers to use an alias, “Boris.”
??? - you're trying to establish that these 58 have been highlighted because they're black, but that they're actually being treated the same as people of any other colour and so there's no racism in play and so the UK's not racist even though "hand-wringing" liberals think it is. You aren't going to establish that on an internet chatroom though and even if you were right on this occasion it doesn't mean there aren't other instances of institutional racism in this country, so just give it a rest.
They’re bloody British, most of them had commonwealth passports that said “British Citizen” on them. It might also have said Jamaica or Trinidad & Tobago but they’re as British as Laz is.
Which doesn’t say anything for their recent tax status but I imagine most have done some PAYE work over here. We need to deal with these folk here.
And as was painfully pointed out in the commons, we paid more in compensation to slave owners when we abolished slavery than we are to the descendants of those very slaves for deporting them.
We often deport criminals. It is nto a big deal. If you have two passports something most people in the UK do not then ou are also more at risk of having the UK one quite rightly stripped from you too such sa we have done for ISIS terrorists who have 2 passports. Most people agree that is perfectly reasonable.
Rolf Harris (convicted paedophile, 12 counts of indecent assault, white) still in the UK. Chevon Brown (dangerous driver, single offence, black) banished from the land where his family lives for all time.
"Chevon Brown was 21 when he decided to take his car for a spin - despite the fact he was a learner driver with no insurance.
When he saw flashing blue lights in his rear view mirror, he says, he panicked. Instead of slowing down, he sped up, reaching speeds of 115mph.
The police chased him through the streets of Oxford for around five minutes. Chevon drove through red lights, on the wrong side of the road, and across front gardens, before he was arrested.
He was sentenced to 14 months in prison for dangerous driving and driving with no insurance.
He could easily be de-stated. We do it to parents of immigrants on the basis they have a right to apply for another citizenship. But that's normally reserved for people on the other end of the pantone scale, I guess.
No, my problem is (1) the fundamental dereliction of responsibility in dumping citizens with a legitimate claim to U.K. nationality as well and whom the State has an obligation to rehabilitate on a former colony whose GDP per capita is less than one eighth of the UK’s and (2) the really abysmal behaviour this government is exhibiting when asked to comply with the law.
I just throw in the secondary charges of implicit racism because (a) there is substance to them in many cases and it’s a depressingly obvious dog whistle and (b) it‘a fun trying to watch you defend the indefensible.
compare and contrast someone who never had Bangladeshi citizenship merely a right to apply for it, but where Bangladesh said they wouldn't grant such an application if applied for, and even if they did change their minds, she'd be subject to prosecution for offences which carry the death penalty.
Which is why I think public money is much better spent on funding and reforming the criminal justice and penal system than on e.g. the home office and No 10 picking (and usually losing) fights with the judiciary.
When Obama sent loads of illiegal immigrants back home, nobody said a jot, but when Trump says he's going to do it too...there's outrage.
When Blair and Blunkett set a target to send up to 30,000 failed asylum seekrs back hom in 2004, people said the system needs to work, but when Boris sends 58 criminals back home...there's outrage.
The issue, is it not, is that on the statutory definition many of the persons whose deportation is contested are not “foreign criminals” because they claim that, wherever else they may have nationality rights, they are British citizens.
It is on this basis that it is asserted that the Home Secretary is not, in fact, mandated to deport them.
There’s a bit of a difference between refusing entry to an asylum seeker (and repatriating or otherwise removing them) and deporting someone who has British citizenship rights because they happen to also have a different nationality.
Did Obama separate families and keep kids in cages at containment camps? I think that is what people are most upset at Trumpton about. If Barry O did it too then I stand corrected.
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That's coz the Europeans were hardened criminals
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Is there nothing else in the news that excites you more than deporting dark skinned people ???
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heh
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Nothing would have been said about 3560 hardened criminals being deported to the EU because the narrative was that we weren't able to without Brexiting.
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I reckon the former tbf
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Yes, because they are easier to deport.
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This is probably my best hope of ticket out of this post Brexit shithole and back to the civilised lands of my anglosaxon ancestors. On this occasion the human rights mob can STFU.
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I had no idea you were allowed mobile phones in detention centres and assumed everyone used the standard jail pay phone to phone their brief.
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I had no idea you were allowed food and drink.
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Heroin too, apparently.
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About 5,000 UK citizens are serving sentences in prisons abroad. 6,000 a year or so are arrested and detained abroad.
Not sure whether you want them back, ??? and BC, but by your logic they should all be returned.
Similarly, I look forward to the Home Secretary zealously deporting foreign born nationals who have admitted conspiring to cause GBH to British citizens, abusing class A drugs and appearing to flout electoral law, as well as wilfully misleading more senior members of government and coming really remarkably close to treason. She can start with a particularly nefarious individual who apparently goes by the distinctly foreign-sounding moniker of Alexander de Pfeffel Johnson but prefers to use an alias, “Boris.”
The Dutch courts have actually started refusing to deport criminals to the U.K. because our prisons are over-populated and under-resourced.
On the whole, I can think of many better things in the criminal justice system to spend time, energy and money on than deporting citizens on grounds the court of appeal has in some cases not supported to a smaller, poorer nation that in many cases they have no real connection with.
They became adults here and became criminals here. They should serve their sentences here, be punished and rehabilitated here and go on to be productive members of society here.
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the obvious way to solve this would have been for the jamaicans to say: we are not taking these people back, and we’re not allowing that plane to land.
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You can gauge Patel’s intellectual skills, or lack of, by her continued attempt to justify this action with “they are serious criminals who have committed serious wah wah waaaaah”. Nobody denies that they’re serious criminals, it’s not germane in any way to the point that they are de facto british citizens and they’re our responsibility. I mean duuuuuuh.
She is an idiot. Totally unsuited to high office.
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My MP. So proud ?
Do I take it that you now woodn’t?
I doubt Jamaica feels up to refusing to allow the plane to land. I suppose they could refuse to let the deportees in, but it’s then their responsibility to deal with them.
That, for me, is what really sucks about this whole miserable shitshow, the decision to abdicate responsibility and deport, make it someone else’s problem.
The right are very big on rhetoric about rights being balanced by responsibilities.
Yet deeply chilled about very real irresponsibility.
It’s almost like they talk shit, all the time, no?
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They should just flat have refused. What are we going to do about it? Oh wah wah international law oh wah wah united nations. Tough shit britbongs, you’re not foisting your crims on us on a technicality, plane ain’t landin’
I would 100% have done this if I were the Jamaican PM
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What are they going to do, shoot it down?
They have to grin and fooking bear it.
That’s the truth here, Britain imports useful workers when it suits it from former colonies and exports people who became criminals here.
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just announce in advance that it will not be given permission to land
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They could, assuming they’re willing to force an international diplomatic incident.
Presumably your crush Priti and ClassicDom are rather hoping they haven’t got the balls.
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WTF? All I said was "Heroin too, apparently".
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I thought you and ??? were the same person tbh
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hehe - me too
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What Coracle and Jackofhearts said.
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??? - you're trying to establish that these 58 have been highlighted because they're black, but that they're actually being treated the same as people of any other colour and so there's no racism in play and so the UK's not racist even though "hand-wringing" liberals think it is. You aren't going to establish that on an internet chatroom though and even if you were right on this occasion it doesn't mean there aren't other instances of institutional racism in this country, so just give it a rest.
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They’re bloody British, most of them had commonwealth passports that said “British Citizen” on them. It might also have said Jamaica or Trinidad & Tobago but they’re as British as Laz is.
Which doesn’t say anything for their recent tax status but I imagine most have done some PAYE work over here. We need to deal with these folk here.
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Maybe you could pass that message on to your mate Priti the next time you see her, Tecco. Talk some sense into her.
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And as was painfully pointed out in the commons, we paid more in compensation to slave owners when we abolished slavery than we are to the descendants of those very slaves for deporting them.
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I don’t talk to any MPs anymore.
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Because they are also British nationals, ???.
I give the devil benefit of law for my own safety's sake.
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I am tug lite as to where some bunch of criminals ultimately ends up.
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We often deport criminals. It is nto a big deal. If you have two passports something most people in the UK do not then ou are also more at risk of having the UK one quite rightly stripped from you too such sa we have done for ISIS terrorists who have 2 passports. Most people agree that is perfectly reasonable.
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Rolf Harris (convicted paedophile, 12 counts of indecent assault, white) still in the UK. Chevon Brown (dangerous driver, single offence, black) banished from the land where his family lives for all time.
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I've no objection to sending Rolf and his wobble board back to Oz.
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There were some violent prisoners being deported. Frankly, I am fine with that.
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Well you're wrong then, you hmong.
Brave Sir Jack noted as per.
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Chevon Brown only lived in the UK for 7 years -
"Chevon Brown was 21 when he decided to take his car for a spin - despite the fact he was a learner driver with no insurance.
When he saw flashing blue lights in his rear view mirror, he says, he panicked. Instead of slowing down, he sped up, reaching speeds of 115mph.
The police chased him through the streets of Oxford for around five minutes. Chevon drove through red lights, on the wrong side of the road, and across front gardens, before he was arrested.
He was sentenced to 14 months in prison for dangerous driving and driving with no insurance.
The judge told him it had been a "terrifying catalogue of driving" and anyone coming out of the flats where his car crossed the gardens "would not have stood a chance"."
He lived in Jamaica with his family - apart form his dad for 14 years.
But but but Rolf Harris.... ffs.
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Yeah, dangerous driving and driving without insurance whilst black = deportation.
Predatory serial sex offenders whilst white = totes fine.
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dont be a prick
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*BIG* ask based on previous, tbf.
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But that is Wasist.
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Possession of class As and conspiring to GBH whilst black - deport the evil foreign criminals.
Possession of class As and conspiring to GBH whilst white and Tory - capital fellow, prime minister material.
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So your problem is with the CPS and ability to understand the term 'conviction' then?
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You can't deport British citizens, Jellymonster.
That’s the point here, dipshit. Apparently you can if they are also Jamaican. See Robert Buckland on Marr on Sunday.
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Jackofhearts is a bit thick init?
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Way to present your point of view.
Classy.
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(Last to JackofHearts, obv)
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He could easily be de-stated. We do it to parents of immigrants on the basis they have a right to apply for another citizenship. But that's normally reserved for people on the other end of the pantone scale, I guess.
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This race this is interesting isn't it.
Where was the outcry about the thousands of people deported over the past few years?
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But but but Bowwwis.
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No, my problem is (1) the fundamental dereliction of responsibility in dumping citizens with a legitimate claim to U.K. nationality as well and whom the State has an obligation to rehabilitate on a former colony whose GDP per capita is less than one eighth of the UK’s and (2) the really abysmal behaviour this government is exhibiting when asked to comply with the law.
I just throw in the secondary charges of implicit racism because (a) there is substance to them in many cases and it’s a depressingly obvious dog whistle and (b) it‘a fun trying to watch you defend the indefensible.
kissy.
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I just respond to outrage on my twitter feed, man. I don't have the bandwidth to go sourcing and fact checking additional stuff to care about.
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compare and contrast someone who never had Bangladeshi citizenship merely a right to apply for it, but where Bangladesh said they wouldn't grant such an application if applied for, and even if they did change their minds, she'd be subject to prosecution for offences which carry the death penalty.
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but otherwise, really fooking clever and brilliant point.
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"whom the State has an obligation to rehabilitate"
heh - our system does not rehabilitate anyone ffs. its shit.
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I know let's send all convicted criminals to a far away inhospitable land full of animals that will probably kill them.
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we tried that Sails but now they beat us as cricket and rugby.
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Corbyn has applied this at the PMQ today:
"“Or is it one rule for one black boys from the Caribbean and another for white boys from the United States?”
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I actually don't give a fook about any of this
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Indeed, wibble.
Which is why I think public money is much better spent on funding and reforming the criminal justice and penal system than on e.g. the home office and No 10 picking (and usually losing) fights with the judiciary.
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Wel, Coffers, it is said that even a stopped clock is right twice a day...
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corbyn probably hasn't even understood his own inconsistency
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When Obama sent loads of illiegal immigrants back home, nobody said a jot, but when Trump says he's going to do it too...there's outrage.
When Blair and Blunkett set a target to send up to 30,000 failed asylum seekrs back hom in 2004, people said the system needs to work, but when Boris sends 58 criminals back home...there's outrage.
I think there's a pattern forming.
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The issue, is it not, is that on the statutory definition many of the persons whose deportation is contested are not “foreign criminals” because they claim that, wherever else they may have nationality rights, they are British citizens.
It is on this basis that it is asserted that the Home Secretary is not, in fact, mandated to deport them.
There’s a bit of a difference between refusing entry to an asylum seeker (and repatriating or otherwise removing them) and deporting someone who has British citizenship rights because they happen to also have a different nationality.
Yes, even if they are criminals.
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Did Obama separate families and keep kids in cages at containment camps? I think that is what people are most upset at Trumpton about. If Barry O did it too then I stand corrected.
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Looks like the answer is “not so much”, RR.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/us/politics/fact-check-trump-family-separation.amp.html
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