first of all, why can't they just call it Civics like the rest of the world?
Here's all you need to know about specific "British Values", there is upper class, middle class and working class. Working and Middle Class cannot join the upper class, however, as the upper class is the ruling class, the middle class, provided they have sufficient funds, may join the ruling class. On occasion a working class may find themselves within the upper ruling class, they did this through earning a shedload of money and donating to the correct members of the upper / ruling classes. However, although they get the title of Lord or Dame, they are still not accepted within the upper class and everyone knows for eternity that they purchased their position.
I miss fox hunting and the hunt ball... foxes are vermin.
Badgers are bad for farm livestock and should also be culled.
Did you know they teach kids pronouns? How dare they.
I still remember when they used to call this History
and then some Tory snowflakes got pissy that a lot of history is a royal navy captain turning up in some far flug place and patientenly explaining to the locals that thanks to the scientific revolution proving that gun beats spear they are now very fortunate to be part of the British Empire
apart from that, I'm not sure what you would teach kids as British values, the only thing the various parts of Britain seem to agree on is that you should vehmently hate your neighbours
There's not really a British identity in any meaningful way. There are obviously English customs and culture, and Welsh. and Scotch, but together it's a bit of a mish-mash which sort of makes political sense, but one can hardly be teary-eyed about it.
Easy to sneer but my Mrs teaches kids who aren't allowed to dance or to listen to or indeed hear music, so I think there is a place for teaching things about the stuff in pinko's 16.33
I know several people who’ve come to the UK and have obtained British citizenship. It’s quite a hard test which I would have struggled with. What’s interesting to me is that without exception they (Canadian, American, Polish, New Zealander and Dutch) all really love the British character (even if these aren’t “values” per se). There’s something oddly British about self-deprecation, including doing down any positive aspects of Britain and Britishness. Yes, there are lots of things wrong with Britain, it’s not perfect and lots of stuff has stopped working, but Britain and British “character” / values are better than loads of other places around the world. And not just even dirt poor despotic sh1tholes either - I’ve lived in Belgium and Switerland for example and both of them are utterly sh1t.
Ditto I have sponsored various colleagues for their citizenship from a wide variety of countries (both economically and culturally). Despite the UK massively underperforming its potential (cf Netherlands) it's the potential and character that makes it a great place to be. In London in any case. And I daresay in other places I don't live.
No, I believe the failure to identify, articulate and celebrate a British identity over the past 20 years contributed to Brexit and a fear of immigrants
Failure to celebrate. That sounds like the sort of thing Stalin might come out with. Your failure to clap for our heroes has led to a downturn in productivity. The workers cheered until they were hoarse.
The core curriculum "British Values" are democracy
THAT IS WHY OURSELVES AND BELARUS HAVE A FIRST PAST THE POST VOTING SYSTEM!!
liberty
THAT IS WHY THE CONSERVATIVES HAVE RESTRICTED PROTESTING SO THAT LAWFUL PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO QUIETLY GO ABOUT THEIR LAWFUL BUSINESS!!
respect
ABSOLUTELY, THE BRITISH ARE IN GENERAL SUITABLY DEFERENTIAL TO THEIR BETTERS, ALTHOUGH I AM NOT HAPPY ABOUT THE DISRESPECTFUL WAY SOME TALK ABOUT THE DUKE OF YORK (WHO IS ALSO A VICE ADMIRAL)
law
WHICH THE CONSERVATIVES WILL ONLY BREAK IN A LIMITED WAY!!
responsibility
PRIME MINISTER BORIS JOHNSON IS A TRUE EXEMPLAR OF THIS BRITISH VALUE!!
and tolerance.
ALTHOUGH IF YOU PUSH US - AS THE HATED EUROPEANS LEARNED - WE WILL EVENTUALLY SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH TO JOHNNY FOREIGNER!!
I think the argument is usually a bit more subtle than that. It's a question of balance. If we promote internationalism at the expense of patriotism then it leads people to reject it for isolationism. Conversely the more coronation chicken they force feed us the more we crave foie gras. I'm not sure if exceptionalism is uniquely British but it is a trait.
I wasn't born in Britain and am a joint citizen, but I've been here since I was 3. I love Britain, despite its numerous failures. Its history is interesting, it's a beautiful country in many places, the people are generally quite friendly and welcoming, and through history and during my lifetime it's collectively done some pretty cool stuff, disproportionately for its size. I wouldn't call myself patriotic per se, but I like being British more than I like being German. I think I'm lucky to be a British citizen by accident of birth and parentage than a citizen of somewhere else. Is that delusional or sinister Laz?
Failure to celebrate. That sounds like the sort of thing Stalin might come out with. Your failure to clap for our heroes has led to a downturn in productivity. The workers cheered until they were hoarse.
And the beatings will continue until morale improves...
It’s probably delusional rather than sinister but I don’t actually mind if you like Britain m88. I think Britain is OK; I agree with you about many of the nice things about it; but for most days to day purposes I preferred living abroad until it became untenable during covid, and I wanted to live nearer my parents.
Lots of wonderful things about the UK. It's just quite dysfunctional in many ways, especially outside of London.
I would love to be sitting in a country pub right now, after a long walk, sipping a pint of bitter in front of a log fire, waiting for my steak & ale pie. Hard to find those good vibes elsewhere.
“Once they enter the workplace, the British are among the worst idlers in the world. We work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor. Whereas Indian children aspire to be doctors or businessmen, the British are more interested in football and pop music.”
I think it was the pub landlord who said, the British turned up on their shores, planted a flag and said "This is ours now and you work for us" and when they objected they said "We have guns, you have spears".. that's how we got the British Empire.
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Are you not the sort of person who believes in BRITISH VALUES dux?
The Daily Express and Suella Braverman have been notified accordingly.
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What are they?
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bRItISh vALuEs
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If you don’t know chuffy then maybe you need to consider whether this is the right country for you!
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Surely they don't need to teach that sort of thing in our school.
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Chuffy - no-one really knows.
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Queueing and how to apologise even if your in the right.
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You're.
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Stop spelling like a ****!
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Value no 1: Join in periodic moral panics
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I would think it sinister if this government were capable of implementing literally anything whatever.
There is no such thing as “British values” of course, Britain being a country of 65 million ish individuals
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Can we at least agree on a list of things that Britons generally disapprove of:
Slavery, FGM, forced marriages, queue-jumping, cheating at cricket. Things like that.
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Cruelty to animals.
The Hundred
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Cruelty to animals unless you're wearing a special outfit such as a red hunting jacket or tweed of some description in which case it's fine.
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British values: Better a flare up the bum than two in the bush.
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BORIS JOHNSON IS A TRUE EXEMPLAR OF BREXIT BRITISH VALUES!!
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first of all, why can't they just call it Civics like the rest of the world?
Here's all you need to know about specific "British Values", there is upper class, middle class and working class. Working and Middle Class cannot join the upper class, however, as the upper class is the ruling class, the middle class, provided they have sufficient funds, may join the ruling class. On occasion a working class may find themselves within the upper ruling class, they did this through earning a shedload of money and donating to the correct members of the upper / ruling classes. However, although they get the title of Lord or Dame, they are still not accepted within the upper class and everyone knows for eternity that they purchased their position.
I miss fox hunting and the hunt ball... foxes are vermin.
Badgers are bad for farm livestock and should also be culled.
Did you know they teach kids pronouns? How dare they.
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Question 1 - Analyse the nuances of the Olde British phrase "How do you do...?"
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Question 1 - Analyse the nuances of the Olde British phrase "How do you do...?"
Answer 1 - "YouTube can teach you how to do anything"
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I still remember when they used to call this History
and then some Tory snowflakes got pissy that a lot of history is a royal navy captain turning up in some far flug place and patientenly explaining to the locals that thanks to the scientific revolution proving that gun beats spear they are now very fortunate to be part of the British Empire
apart from that, I'm not sure what you would teach kids as British values, the only thing the various parts of Britain seem to agree on is that you should vehmently hate your neighbours
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There's not really a British identity in any meaningful way. There are obviously English customs and culture, and Welsh. and Scotch, but together it's a bit of a mish-mash which sort of makes political sense, but one can hardly be teary-eyed about it.
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The core curriculum "British Values" are democracy, liberty, respect, law, responsibility and tolerance.
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They did this stuff at nursery. They had to colour in a picture of a soldier and a policeman. The union jack was pink. Tolerance and liberty.
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Easy to sneer but my Mrs teaches kids who aren't allowed to dance or to listen to or indeed hear music, so I think there is a place for teaching things about the stuff in pinko's 16.33
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fish, chips, cup of tea, bad food, worse weather, Mary-fooking-Poppins
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Wee Frees?
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BritisH ValUes Don't ExiSt /rof
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I know several people who’ve come to the UK and have obtained British citizenship. It’s quite a hard test which I would have struggled with. What’s interesting to me is that without exception they (Canadian, American, Polish, New Zealander and Dutch) all really love the British character (even if these aren’t “values” per se). There’s something oddly British about self-deprecation, including doing down any positive aspects of Britain and Britishness. Yes, there are lots of things wrong with Britain, it’s not perfect and lots of stuff has stopped working, but Britain and British “character” / values are better than loads of other places around the world. And not just even dirt poor despotic sh1tholes either - I’ve lived in Belgium and Switerland for example and both of them are utterly sh1t.
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Danish bacon, Indian curry and rampant xenophobia.
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Ditto I have sponsored various colleagues for their citizenship from a wide variety of countries (both economically and culturally). Despite the UK massively underperforming its potential (cf Netherlands) it's the potential and character that makes it a great place to be. In London in any case. And I daresay in other places I don't live.
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There are so many countries WAY more racist than the UK. Crazy really how we do ourselves down
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I agree with all of that tbf. Other countries are worse in some ways. Still room for improvement at home though.
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Totally agree that we aren't one of the most racist countries.
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You With The Face09 Jan 24 20:30
There are so many countries WAY more racist than the UK. Crazy really how we do ourselves down
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Personally, I like that we hold ourselves to a high standard and don't just shrug and mutter "good enough" like say the French
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Might be better as "values in Britain" rather than "British values", as they are common to democratic countries.
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No, I believe the failure to identify, articulate and celebrate a British identity over the past 20 years contributed to Brexit and a fear of immigrants
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Failure to celebrate. That sounds like the sort of thing Stalin might come out with. Your failure to clap for our heroes has led to a downturn in productivity. The workers cheered until they were hoarse.
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Sums up the cynical and suspicious attitude in respect of patriotism in Britain
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What a cynical and suspicious thing to say. I think you might be British after all.
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THAT IS WHY OURSELVES AND BELARUS HAVE A FIRST PAST THE POST VOTING SYSTEM!!
THAT IS WHY THE CONSERVATIVES HAVE RESTRICTED PROTESTING SO THAT LAWFUL PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO QUIETLY GO ABOUT THEIR LAWFUL BUSINESS!!
ABSOLUTELY, THE BRITISH ARE IN GENERAL SUITABLY DEFERENTIAL TO THEIR BETTERS, ALTHOUGH I AM NOT HAPPY ABOUT THE DISRESPECTFUL WAY SOME TALK ABOUT THE DUKE OF YORK (WHO IS ALSO A VICE ADMIRAL)
WHICH THE CONSERVATIVES WILL ONLY BREAK IN A LIMITED WAY!!
PRIME MINISTER BORIS JOHNSON IS A TRUE EXEMPLAR OF THIS BRITISH VALUE!!
ALTHOUGH IF YOU PUSH US - AS THE HATED EUROPEANS LEARNED - WE WILL EVENTUALLY SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH TO JOHNNY FOREIGNER!!
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we’re right to be suspicious of patriotism, it’s delusional at best and highly sinister at worst
proud of the country you were born? you may as well be proud of your shoe size. Dulce et decorum est, pro the size 9s mori
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I think the argument is usually a bit more subtle than that. It's a question of balance. If we promote internationalism at the expense of patriotism then it leads people to reject it for isolationism. Conversely the more coronation chicken they force feed us the more we crave foie gras. I'm not sure if exceptionalism is uniquely British but it is a trait.
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I wasn't born in Britain and am a joint citizen, but I've been here since I was 3. I love Britain, despite its numerous failures. Its history is interesting, it's a beautiful country in many places, the people are generally quite friendly and welcoming, and through history and during my lifetime it's collectively done some pretty cool stuff, disproportionately for its size. I wouldn't call myself patriotic per se, but I like being British more than I like being German. I think I'm lucky to be a British citizen by accident of birth and parentage than a citizen of somewhere else. Is that delusional or sinister Laz?
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I am proud of my mighty size 7's.
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Failure to celebrate. That sounds like the sort of thing Stalin might come out with. Your failure to clap for our heroes has led to a downturn in productivity. The workers cheered until they were hoarse.
And the beatings will continue until morale improves...
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It’s probably delusional rather than sinister but I don’t actually mind if you like Britain m88. I think Britain is OK; I agree with you about many of the nice things about it; but for most days to day purposes I preferred living abroad until it became untenable during covid, and I wanted to live nearer my parents.
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Lots of wonderful things about the UK. It's just quite dysfunctional in many ways, especially outside of London.
I would love to be sitting in a country pub right now, after a long walk, sipping a pint of bitter in front of a log fire, waiting for my steak & ale pie. Hard to find those good vibes elsewhere.
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Be more downbeat please
It is unhelpful
That and the cooler weather
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Liz Truss:
“Once they enter the workplace, the British are among the worst idlers in the world. We work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor. Whereas Indian children aspire to be doctors or businessmen, the British are more interested in football and pop music.”
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There see to be plenty willing to travel through several other countries and then climb into boats to get a bit of it
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@BREXITBREXIT
He's a "Vice" Admiral like Saul is a "Criminal" lawyer..
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“proud of the country you were born? you may as well be proud of your shoe size.”
Obviously a man with under-sized feet. Inordinately proud of my size 11s. You know what they say, big feet, big….
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Yeah? Yet we still managed to build an Empire.
Suggests she fcuks off to America and takes her work ethic with her.
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I suppose it was a bit rich coming from the lady who lost us 50 billion quid and the Queen in the space of a week.
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I think it was the pub landlord who said, the British turned up on their shores, planted a flag and said "This is ours now and you work for us" and when they objected they said "We have guns, you have spears".. that's how we got the British Empire.
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Sounds very sinister.
Bad food, bad weather, mediocre t many things, shyte towns, massive inequality, charlatan government.
Not as racist as the French, Spanish, Russians, though.
Still, wish we were still in the EU. I feel more European than 'British'.
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Europe is no more a single concept that Britain don't be ridic
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'Europe' isn't perfect. There is less inequality in most of those countries.
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They say – ‘you should be grateful, we’re the least racist’. I say the least racist is still racist.
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Agree, Obadiah.
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