I was torn but am now going Lib Dem, they clearly have the momentum and Change UK are just splitting the vote. Change UK should in fact not put up candidates and tell potential supporters to vote Lib Dem if they truly believed the priority is to stop Brexit rather than further their own interests.
Yeah, I voted Green last time. But this time I think my biggest worry is splitting the remain vote too much, so I reckon Lib Dem might be a more sensible choice. Sucks for the Greens though.
Take my immediate family as an example. Me, my mum, dad and siblings all voted remain and all voted for the same party in the last two general elections. This time we seem to be split between TIG, Lib Dem and possibly Green. It's worrying.
I won't be voting liberal democrat or green because of their other problematic manifesto persuasions
I don't care if we turn into a post apocalyptic mad max dystopia reeking of spam, I am not voting for parties that despise women and free speech; it would be like voting for Donald Trump to stop Brexit
unforts the top candidate for the SNP is also of this persuasion
I care about brexit less than I care about the other things the lib dems and greens stand for (which makes the majority of the tory party look reasonable)
I am wavering between TIG and the Lib Dems. I was planning on voting TIG but I agree with the comment upthread that they don't seem to have the momentum.
However, I share Clerg's concerns about women's rights/freedom of thought and the LibDems. The Greens are even more of a sh1tshow on that topic.
it is a very long story but essentially that transwomen are literally women for all purposes and that it is transphobic to disagree (justifying criminal action and losing your job), even when this disadvantages or endangers individuals who should be protected by sex based rights in the equality act
the libdems now employ aimee challenor, a transwoman and former Green activist who covered up the fact that their dad had been charged with (and was subsequently convicted of) kidnapping, torturing and raping a child in the small house they shared. Aimee hired the father as election agent and he spent unsupervised time among the children of party members and young activists.
Oh yes the transwomen are literally women thing. I'm totally with you. Have you donated to the crowdfunding for the woman who was sacked? I have - disgraceful.
I hadn't realised Aimee Challenor had joined the LibDems now.
Alan, the LibDems support giving self-identified transwomen access to women's safe spaces such as refuges and rape crisis centres.
"In the last couple of years there has been a vigorous debate on social media, especially Twitter about transgender rights, with a number of people opposed to trans equality asserting that they do not recognise transgender women as women, and that trans women should not have access to what they regard as “women-only safe spaces”."
Led by Donkeys is a perfect illustration of the kind of approach that absolutely will not make any difference. It seems like nobody has learned anything from Trump.
The problem with not voting TIG now is that they won't have the funding or the network to do anything at GE time if they don't make some progress now.
We will be left with the choice between Turds, Marxists and Mentalists as per usual.
I do so wish the Lib Dems weren't quite as mad as they are and were, like, a proper centrist party rather than just a bunch of oddballs who were kind of happy running for third with oddball policies.
The greens seem to have emerged from the trans cult whereas the Lib Dem's actively told people not to vote for them unless they believe trans women are literally actual women so I won't.
I feel like there’s more urgency in the Brexit issue, so even though I drastically disagree with their stance on the trans issue, I think I will still vote for the LDs in the euros.
i was brought up in an active Liberal household ( pre LibDems) and had PR drummed in to me from an early age. Astonished when they eventually got a coalition govnt and fvcked it all up. I now think they’re pointless.
it is a very long story but essentially that transwomen are literally women for all purposes and that it is transphobic to disagree (justifying criminal action and losing your job), even when this disadvantages or endangers individuals who should be protected by sex based rights in the equality act
the libdems now employ aimee challenor, a transwoman and former Green activist who covered up the fact that their dad had been charged with (and was subsequently convicted of) kidnapping, torturing and raping a child in the small house they shared. Aimee hired the father as election agent and he spent unsupervised time among the children of party members and young activists.
Now I’m with everyone above who condemns the whole trans are literally women preposterousness
but this seems a little harsh
idk much about this particular nutter but a cursory google suggests they have serious mental health issues (highly unlikely to have been fixed by changing sex, as any doctor will tell you) and were taken into care due to having a pair of total charlatans bringing them up
so how they could for definite know about the father’s actions I’m not really sure. definite family issues
and as for hiring and not properly disclosing their father was charged, well Challenor seems a bit thick, it sounds like the two Green Party people Challenor told failed to follow up, plus innocent until proven guilty at that point still prevails (even though by the sounds of it the father was very guilty)
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https://www.facebook.com/917561391746816/photos/a.917575041745451/1245152608987691/?type=3&theater
There's a handy guide in this week's Private Eye
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Lib Dems. They clearly have money behind them now given the billboards all over London.
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I was torn but am now going Lib Dem, they clearly have the momentum and Change UK are just splitting the vote. Change UK should in fact not put up candidates and tell potential supporters to vote Lib Dem if they truly believed the priority is to stop Brexit rather than further their own interests.
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but yes what everyone else said, can't get clearer than the Lib Dems running on a 'bollocks to Brexit' manifesto
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I was tempted by TIG but they are being arses, so I think it'll have to be Lib Dem.
#bollockstobrexit
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greens are also anti brexit. so you can register climate concern and anti-brexit in one hit
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Yeah, I voted Green last time. But this time I think my biggest worry is splitting the remain vote too much, so I reckon Lib Dem might be a more sensible choice. Sucks for the Greens though.
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Take my immediate family as an example. Me, my mum, dad and siblings all voted remain and all voted for the same party in the last two general elections. This time we seem to be split between TIG, Lib Dem and possibly Green. It's worrying.
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Libdems obviously
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I won't be voting liberal democrat or green because of their other problematic manifesto persuasions
I don't care if we turn into a post apocalyptic mad max dystopia reeking of spam, I am not voting for parties that despise women and free speech; it would be like voting for Donald Trump to stop Brexit
unforts the top candidate for the SNP is also of this persuasion
so I am voting TIG
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I would sooner vote tory than lib dem or green tho
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in fact I might tbh
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I had been thinking Green this time but am going to go Lib Dem. D'Hondt is not the Remainer's friend.
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If you vote Tory you are voting for Brexit. And all kinds of other incompetence/nastiness/general shite.
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I care about brexit less than I care about the other things the lib dems and greens stand for (which makes the majority of the tory party look reasonable)
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and ditto alyn smith
there's no point in keeping freedom of movement if you don't have freedom of thought
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d'hont is nobody's friend. it's an awful PR system that blair introduced
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I fully thought d'hondt was a green candidate who was wishywashy on the EU
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Which are the Lib Dem and Green policies on women and free speech which worry you Clergs (genuine q btw)
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I am wavering between TIG and the Lib Dems. I was planning on voting TIG but I agree with the comment upthread that they don't seem to have the momentum.
However, I share Clerg's concerns about women's rights/freedom of thought and the LibDems. The Greens are even more of a sh1tshow on that topic.
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it is a very long story but essentially that transwomen are literally women for all purposes and that it is transphobic to disagree (justifying criminal action and losing your job), even when this disadvantages or endangers individuals who should be protected by sex based rights in the equality act
the libdems now employ aimee challenor, a transwoman and former Green activist who covered up the fact that their dad had been charged with (and was subsequently convicted of) kidnapping, torturing and raping a child in the small house they shared. Aimee hired the father as election agent and he spent unsupervised time among the children of party members and young activists.
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Oh yes the transwomen are literally women thing. I'm totally with you. Have you donated to the crowdfunding for the woman who was sacked? I have - disgraceful.
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yes
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I hadn't realised Aimee Challenor had joined the LibDems now.
Alan, the LibDems support giving self-identified transwomen access to women's safe spaces such as refuges and rape crisis centres.
"In the last couple of years there has been a vigorous debate on social media, especially Twitter about transgender rights, with a number of people opposed to trans equality asserting that they do not recognise transgender women as women, and that trans women should not have access to what they regard as “women-only safe spaces”."
https://www.libdemvoice.org/liberal-democrats-are-very-clear-about-the-rights-of-transgender-people-57853.html
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do you have the crowdfunding link
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https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/lost-job-speaking-out/
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Trans women literally are now real women tho clergs.
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see also
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/05/feminists-not-welcome-lib-dems-unless-support-gender-neutral/
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yeah and I'm beyonce but no one will see it, we all got problems
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What's the solution to the transwomen thing then? How do we legislate for it to be fair to everyone? Or is it just a pipedream?
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If a man can say he's a woman overnight, why can't I say I'm black?
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I think we should probabyl start by excluding all the lunatic gamergate rejects from the discourse
self-ID endangers transwomen as much as anyone else
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Now I don’t know who to vote for! I think I’ll vote tactically in the Euros regardless and TIG if there’s a GE.
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oh christ don't let there be a GE
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(I would also vote TIG but it would be a bit of a jump into the abyss)
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can't see there being a GE before 2020
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https://www.snp.org/5-reasons-why-you-should-vote-snp-at-the-eu-elections/
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mega heh at the Led by Donkeys guys
https://thebrexitparty.com/
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Clergham what is a gamergate reject is that a new type of feminist like X wave or terf?
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I ❤️ Led by Donkeys
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gamergate guys were maladjusted misogynists
they lighted upon The Trans Thing as a frankly genius way to mainstream their freaky values
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Led by Donkeys is a perfect illustration of the kind of approach that absolutely will not make any difference. It seems like nobody has learned anything from Trump.
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The problem with not voting TIG now is that they won't have the funding or the network to do anything at GE time if they don't make some progress now.
We will be left with the choice between Turds, Marxists and Mentalists as per usual.
I do so wish the Lib Dems weren't quite as mad as they are and were, like, a proper centrist party rather than just a bunch of oddballs who were kind of happy running for third with oddball policies.
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yeah I am furious with them tbh
they should be a contender for top spot by now but no let's dribble on about fooking nonsense instead
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libdems are the kinds of people who think liking eurovision is a personality
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What?
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all parties are full of utter khunts
you have to vote for one of them
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The Led by Donkeys guys are heros tbf.
I will (probably) vote lib dem in the euros to register as pro-remain and it seems atm to be the best tactical vote (I am in the SE region).
Hate the trans-women-are-literally-women thing tho. I mean, fvking hell.
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The greens seem to have emerged from the trans cult whereas the Lib Dem's actively told people not to vote for them unless they believe trans women are literally actual women so I won't.
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I feel like there’s more urgency in the Brexit issue, so even though I drastically disagree with their stance on the trans issue, I think I will still vote for the LDs in the euros.
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You are killing the TIGgers though Stixta.
Pooh would be sad (and hungry).
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But if we split the vote it reduces the chances of stopping Brexit!
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i dont think I will vote at all, it will be the first time ever I have not voted.
i no longer give much of a shit about brexit, so long as there isnt no deal i really dont care any more :( :(
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Wot Stix said - Lib Dems
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Brexit is happening, lads
it's what happens with the wreckage that should concern us
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i was brought up in an active Liberal household ( pre LibDems) and had PR drummed in to me from an early age. Astonished when they eventually got a coalition govnt and fvcked it all up. I now think they’re pointless.
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Now I’m with everyone above who condemns the whole trans are literally women preposterousness
but this seems a little harsh
idk much about this particular nutter but a cursory google suggests they have serious mental health issues (highly unlikely to have been fixed by changing sex, as any doctor will tell you) and were taken into care due to having a pair of total charlatans bringing them up
so how they could for definite know about the father’s actions I’m not really sure. definite family issues
and as for hiring and not properly disclosing their father was charged, well Challenor seems a bit thick, it sounds like the two Green Party people Challenor told failed to follow up, plus innocent until proven guilty at that point still prevails (even though by the sounds of it the father was very guilty)
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