So, if you had a plan to attack Israel, to provoke them to attack you in response
Hotblack Desiato 01 Nov 23 12:06
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and you didn't take any steps to protect civilians from the Israeli counter-attacks....

that would make you morally responsible for their deaths, wouldn't it?

In the same way that if you left a load of children next to a beehive and then twotted the beehive with a baseball bat, you'd be morally responsible for all the bee stings that those children suffered?

It's a reference to that article asking why Hamas has built several hundred miles of well engineered tunnels for smuggling and military purposes, at vast financial and materiel cost, yet for some mysterious reason hasn't devoted the same time and energy to building civilian bomb shelters.

So basically

If some people of the same race as you murder citizens of a nation-state in an attempt to provoke it

and, completely beyond your control, those people of your race didn’t do anything protect you

then it’s completely ok for said nation-state to kill you, and not at all a moral problem for it to do so

this is the kind of brilliant moral logic we’ve come to expect from hotblack

Hotblack Desiato 01 Nov 23 12:06

and you didn't take any steps to protect civilians from the Israeli counter-attacks....

that would make you morally responsible for their deaths, wouldn't it?

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this was Bin Laden's plan for 9/11 - kick the US, draw them into quagmire wars in the middle east until they got sick of it and fcuked off home

Interesting that you absolve George Bush of civilian deaths in iraq and afghanistan, I did not think this was your thing

HD, are you suggesting that Israel like a hive of bees will just do what it will do without conscious choice and  with no moral reponsibility for its actions whatsoever?   

sieteocho01 Nov 23 15:35

Bin Laden's 20 year plan to reclaim Afghanistan. Shame we can't ask him. 

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he didn't have a plan to reclaim afghanistan

he planned to drag the US into an exhausting war and make them not want to get involved in the middle east ever again

you don't need to ask him to see how much the US wants to get involved in another foreign adventure 

I do not think Israel could have not invaded.  Like any democracy (and probably other systems) it can be controlled by the collective hysteria of its population.  Any leader who simply said that they are putting this down to experience and beefing up the security at the border would not last long even if is the correct way to proceed.

Fvck you, Bush.

It’s time to get out of Iraq, Bush.

What were you even doing there in the first place, Bush?

You didn’t even get properly elected, Bush.

Are you happy now, Bush?

Fvck you, Bush.

 

you on the maui wowee hd? that shi8 is good man….. hey listen, I’ve just realised I completely understand the Middle East situation! you know bees right? hang on I’ve got the munchies now…. what was I saying?

When HD sobers up and realises he removed all autonomy from the Israeli people and likened them to mindless drones with no ability for rational thought he's going to feel preeeeetttyy dumb.