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Sadiq ‘seized’ power

https://x.com/conservatives/status/1772321715713982730?s=46&t=Gq6LevnmvzwJvsMpYLZB7A

Get them out of office and into the gaol.

The point is that the only section of the electorate with whom the conservatives have a lead is the over 65s (and that is by 1 point) and so they are trying to keep the old folk terrified in order to make sure that even that support doesn't collapse in the face of the overwhelming evidence of their unfitness to govern

crypto, you're either trolling with this sort of crap or blinded to basic facts and common sense by tory-love.  If the latter, its probably for the best that you only work with dead people.  

Sadiq slaughtered his opponent to seize power 

Nice ring to it I think?

Of course everyone knows that slaughtered is used only in the sense of ‘won emphatically’.

It looks like a dog whistle about "diversity" turning London into a crime ridden sh1thole. If that is what the ad is dogwhistling, I'm afraid it's largely accurate. Rates of violent crime in "diverse" parts of London such as Lambeth, Brixton or Haringey are on a different planet from other parts of the city/country. Of course, leftists get emotional when they read facts they don't like, and throw their toys out of their prams rather than engaging with reality.

It’s not difficult to solve. Shoot or lock up all drug dealers. Confiscate all knives, with massive fines to boot. Increase funding for the police. Make law and order a matter of pride not shame. 

RR, it's pretty straightforward to look up the stats on Wikipedia. Here is homicide, for example (source: Wikipedia). Do you see a pattern? Other violent crimes follow the same pattern, although of course the numbers are higher. There is no point getting angry or emotional about reality.

Rank Borough Number of homicides 2001 to 2012
1 Lambeth 154
2 Southwark 124
3 Newham 122
4 Hackney 114
5 Brent 100
6 Haringey 97
7 Croydon 87
8 Camden 85
9 Ealing 84
10 Lewisham 83
11 Tower Hamlets 83
12 Waltham Forest 73
13 Greenwich 71
14 Islington 70
15 Enfield 66
16 Westminster 63
17 Wandsworth 62
18 Hillingdon 61
19 Barnet 48
20 Hammersmith and Fulham 48
21 Hounslow 42
22 Barking & Dagenham 42
23 Bromley 38
24 Redbridge 38
25 Bexley 30
26 Havering 28
27 Merton 26
28 Sutton 25
29 Harrow 24
30 Kensington & Chelsea 23
31 Kingston upon Thames 17
32 Richmond upon Thames 14

I mean, London is a metropolis with almost 9 million inhabitants. It would be interesting to see how those homicide rates compare to other big cities like New York, Tokyo, Melbourne etc. Pretty sure crime rates correlate with deprivation levels, as opposed to “diversity”. 

FF, please find some up to date data for the stabbings per capita in the diverse parts of London. Let's just say the top ten homicide boroughs on the list I posted. Without even bothering to check this I know it will be horrible. By looking at London as a whole, you are including outer London/ Surrey/ Kent where stabbings aren't a thing, which of course distorts the figures. I gave the only data on the Wikipedia London crime page which are broken down by borough (admittedly a bit out of date, but that's all they gave).

London is currently rated the 14th safest capital city in the world. The time period you have referenced above was before Sadiq Khan was even mayor and this thread is about tozza smears on his record on crime. 

Awful, awful post. Hang your head in shame and get in the bin with Bertha Manning.

@ RR - (i) as with FF, you are including Surrey/ Kent which drags the figures down and so fails to address the point - please answer my post to FF (ii) I wrote that the diverse parts of London were violent sh1tholes, not that this was Sadiq's fault - clearly this happened before he got in. I accepted above that the data were quite old - I only posted it because it's the only breakdown by borough that the Wikipedia page gives.

They don't have any answer because there isn't one. They just want to say that it's a disgrace if anyone dares to engage with reality. FF for example can easily be refuted on stabbings without even needing to google it. Everyone except the crazy leftists knows perfectly well where the stabbings are happening, and it ain't Wimbledon or Richmond.

No Lambeth still had a lower rate of violent crime than Cleveland and W Yorkshire (at least in 2022/3 which is the most recent set of national stats I could find)

It's better than rof ribaldry which painted me as a sort of adorable Bertie Wooster character. 

Turns out cookie is great at accusing waspi women of being millennials and terrible at insults. 

Maybe he should get a new library card?

Lol FF. I wonder why you are picking Cleveland of all places to compare with Lambeth? Seems like quite a random choic.... oh, wait:

Cleveland DemographicsBlack or African American: 46.59% White: 38.27% Two or more races: 8.24% Other race: 3.97%

Source: google "cleveland population ethnicity".

It looks like you've just googled places in the US with high crime as your "neutral" comparison, without checking further. I believe the technical term for this is "self-pwn"?

Don't know what's going on in West Yorkshire. Please post links to your sources including sample size and time period.

 

Ah sorry you must have meant Cleveland in Yorkshire. Actually that's a bit of a self-pwn by me, lol. Anyway, do post your sources with sample size/ time period.

Yep that was indeed a self pwn by me, jumped into Google a bit too quickly.

Anyway the point still stands. Here is what you have done. You have managed to dig out a place in the back of beyond which looks like a bigger sh1thole than Lambeth. Well done.This doesn't mean that Lambeth isn't a sh1thole.

No what I’ve done is point out that an area that is almost entirely white British (and there are lots of other examples) is in fact much more dangerous than an area that is very (((diverse))) 

Which suggests that the problem is slightly more complex than how many brown people live there

Moi, Bertha? I don't rely on her earnings.

@ FF I did a bit more googling without c0cking it up this time. Your source says Cleveland has 139.6 crimes per 1000. Lambeth is at 135 (source: google "Lambeth crimes per capita"). So basically you've googled to find the worst sh1thole in the whole country and it's only very narrowly pipped Lambeth. This is not exactly a ringing endorsement of Lambeth.

This is the same mistake (possibly deliberate) which I highlighted earlier. The Met police cover all the London boroughs including places like Richmond. You are attempting to prove that diverse parts of London are not sh1tholes by quoting stats which include nice and non-diverse parts to drag the average crime rate down. This simply fails. 

Let's go back to Lambeth for violent crime per capita. Google isn't as helpful here but turns up a 2013 link showing that for violent crime Lambeth is the second worst area in the whole country, only topped by Lewisham. Brixton third, then Hackney, Newham and Tower Hamlets. These places are sh1tholes and this time they even "beat" Cleveland - why do you keep denying reality? 

Source: https://www.brixtonbuzz.com/2013/04/lambeth-rated-the-second-least-peac…

This time, you have mixed and matched two different websites, which may be using different definitions. If you stick to your second website - crimerate.co.uk - this shows that for the period in question Lambeth is worse than West Yorkshire for overall crime (https://crimerate.co.uk/west-yorkshire) but "better" (although still very bad) for "violence and sexual" offences (doesn't give stats for violence alone).

Just read your own page from that website on Lambeth. It fully confirms my point, namely that Lambeth is a sh1thole. Are you still denying this or will you accept it now? Unfortunately W Yorkshire seems to be a hotbed of various sexual crimes. So what? Lambeth is still a sh1thole, as is Hackney, as is Tower Hamlets, as is Newham.

Having lived in hackney and tower Hamlets you have no idea what you're talking about. Isn't Lambeth now a gentrified posh place? I think you should read less Guido. 

If it's being gentrified that may explain why it was the second worst sh1thole in the country for violent crime in 2013 but then merely a run of the mill sh1thole in 2023. Thank you for explaining that discrepancy in the data. Still a sh1thole, the point still does nothing to address my original claim.

Your original point was this:

‘Rates of violent crime in "diverse" parts of London such as Lambeth, Brixton or Haringey are on a different planet from other parts of the city/country.’

Turns out this isn’t actually true

Lambeth is hugely gentrified these days (particularly compared to 2013/2015!)

Brixton is full of bougie wine bars and pop up restaurants. The rest of Lambeth is what - Tulse Hill, Streatham, bits of Clapham and Balham? That’s just middle class families.

Absolutely bizarre to think it’s a “shithole” and I can only imagine by someone who’s never lived in London for any extended period of time. 

Half the youngsters in my office are trying to find a place in Streatham (and struggling to afford one). 

Heh. This is straw clutching now. Compared to any "normal" part of the country violent crime in the parts of London I listed is horrific. Just read this FFS - they are having to introduce "bleed kits" because of all the stabbing: https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/news/more-trauma-kits-needed-to-combat-l…

I can't find any comparative data between Cleveland and Lambeth on violence alone for 2023, only "violence and sexual." Maybe Cleveland is worse in 2023 - I don't know. For 2013 in the whole country only Lewisham was more violent than Lambeth. I didn't claim that it would be impossible to find a worse sh1thole anywhere in the whole country, but to the extent you read my post that way, I'm happy to retract it. Are you in turn happy to accept that violent crime in Lambeth/ Brixton/ Haringey is horrific compared to the rest of the country?

I will accept, however, that it's possible there's been some gentrification since 2013 when it was the second most violent place in the country behind Lewisham. 

Also happy partially to accept this:

"I can only imagine by someone who’s never lived in London for any extended period of time"

Not true but I'm happy to confirm I haven't been anywhere near Lambeth for several years.

‘Compared to any "normal" part of the country violent crime in the parts of London I listed is horrific.‘

depends on what you mean by “normal”. 

Compared to the Suffolk fens or the Cotswolds - well yes, obviously 

Compared to other large urban areas (including those that are mostly white British like Middlesbrough or Liverpool) - if anything those parts of London are much safer.

 

George babe can also vouch from personal experience that barking & dag is also highly "diverse" yet at the bottom end of your empirical list. An utter shithole yes but why arent the "diverse" community there out stabbing & shooting & pillaging?

U r v problematic.

"Compared to other large urban areas (including those that are mostly white British..."

If you want to make it explicitly about race that won't be helpful for you either.

"Come on big bollocks say what u "really" mean."

Fine. If you want to look at purely race based data then here you go:

https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/assembly/commission-on-knife-crime-in-black-community

Black Londoners (not even including mixed race) are 13% of the population and 61% of knife murder perpetrators/ 53% of knife crime perpetrators. Similar stats for gun crime and homicide generally.

That's even more stark than the data I posted about diverse areas of London. From the anecdotes people are posting on here (and the data, comparing 2013 to 2023) it's possible that hand wringing middle class leftists like RR have moved to places like Lambeth since 2013. So, given how wet these individuals are, it's no longer the second most violent place in the whole country. Great. I wouldn't know, haven't lived anywhere near it for years.

Ah yeah the stats...that recognise this is largely driven by black on black violence. A product of decades of deprivation, withdrawal of youth and community programmes, a pervasive sense of helplessness and no hope for a future. Austerity. Policies that people like "you" no doubt cheered on.

And then theres the marginalisation, the "othering", by people like "you". The pre emptive clutching of the bag, the quickening of step, the crossing of the road, the tightening of sphincters by people like "you".

I wouldn't worry though. People like "you" are unlikely to be caught up in the malaise. So rest easy x

You have to heh at George Graham starting his posts saying the ad is making a “largely accurate” point about “diversity” in urban areas, demanding people find up to date stats for more “diverse” parts of London (“I can tell without looking it would be horrible!”) and then when called on this barely-disguised racism saying “Oh you want to make this about race now? Well I never!”

George Graham, unless you also check that list  of boroughs against levels of poverty and unemployment (which seem to me to be far more likely to be causative than different skin colours) I am afraid your list shows nothing about the link between "diversity" and crime.

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