The Private Hire Vehicles (London) Act 1998 includes provision to appeal a licensing decision within 21 days of it being communicated to the applicant. Uber London Limited can continue to operate until any appeal processes have been exhausted or withdrawn
Khan’s strategy is not to actually take Uber off the streets but to use the power of the Mayor’s office in what is, by a distance, their largest global city market, to change the culture of the organisation. A culture that is still essentially the rule breaking, misogynist maverickism of their ge-headed megatwot founder, Kalanick.
Remember the bad old days of flagging down unlicensed uninsured MOT free mini cabs driven by a bloke who’s not even officially in the country with no knowledge of London geography beyond Soho?
as pointed out above, nearly all Uber drivers drive for other firms anyway and the illegality of their immigration status was largely alleviated by the 2004 accession to the EU of the eastern bloc countries
Anyone tried that Kapten app? I'm hesitant to use it on the basis that their Tube adverts are so awful they deserve to be punished, but if it's basically the same as Uber then I may be forced to.
This is not going to make the slightest bit of difference to Uber’s revenues, let alone to your ability to get home cheaply after your christmas piss up, u sultans of self-interest.
Sadiq Khan's statement says they identified 14,000 rides in the last few months taken by fraudulent drivers, which is pretty shit if true tbf. Especially given the warning they got last year.
That’s the one ???. I was once in one when it rear ended another. As an up and coming solicitor I figured I didn’t need to get involved in the dispute and slunk out of the passenger side while the two drivers shouted at each other.
I am a late convert to Uber, and any issues I have had have resulted in an immediate refund/credit no question asked. The only small gripe I have is when a driver accepts your booking then cancels for whatever reason.
Only very recently, I forgot how crap ordering a mini cab is. Cab is ten minutes late, the office is not answering, you go up and down the stairs/in/out the front door trying to locate cab.Said cab has parked 100 metres away or cannot find the location. Further call to the office where controller says" he is/was outside" and so on and so forth.
That said Uber from all the media they have been putting out really believe they maybe in difficulty this time, and are on a PR charm offensive. Mini cabs must be laughing, as to Black cabs surely they are a busted flush. Far too expensive and they regularly refuse journeys if your drop off is not where they wan't to go
I'm with ebita. I've never found uber to be anything other than very responsive to concerns I have raised and very forward when it comes to refunds. They refunded me once because I gave a bad review as the car smelled of cigs. People go on about the drivers but I have had more issues with the drivers of cabs in the US and UK than I have had with uber drivers.
Black cabs on the other hand are a rather old fashioned idea where their USP of knowing the city well has been usurped by technology and they are unaccepting that this should have any impact on them.
All the Uber drivers also drive for other ride-hailing apps and / or trad minicab businesses so nobody has lost a job and nobody is going to find it difficult to get a cab. The same number of journeys will be done by the same vehicles and drivers, just not subsidised by Uber shareholders.
Uber’s app is OK. There are plenty of others which are just as good. Uber’s service is OK but nothing special compared to other industries.
Uber the corporation are a bunch of absolute scumbags whose hope is to lower the fares to drive the competition off the roads and then raise them again once they have a monopoly. At the moment they are losing money on every fare. Along the way they have been happy to break any labour laws and any consumer protection laws if it suited them.
I want Uber to be a competitor not a monopolist and I want them to obey the laws like everyone else including all their competitors.
Until very recently I found them the same price as my local mini cab . More recently they have definitely reduced prices and I was offered 50% of my next ten rides
And they are incredibly convenient, no paper receipts , you can track the car and leave your building precisely as it arrives .cars are clean , etc, etc .
The rating thing is bollocks if you give drivers low ratings watch your own rating go down !
Every driver I have spoken to loves the deal they have and have said they would never go back to mini cabs . The only gripe I heard is the old driver pay more in commission / car rent than the new ones apparently
Uber will pay $20 million to settle a complaint by the Federal Trade Commission that it misled drivers about earnings and vehicle financing, the Wall Street Journal is reporting. The consumer protection agency alleged that Uber publicized misleading statements about the amount of money drivers could earn in 20 cities. For example, Uber said drivers could earn up to $90,000 a year in New York City and $74,000 in San Francisco.
As part of the settlement, Uber is not admitting any wrongdoing, but has agreed to pay $20 million. That sum will be distributed to drivers affected by the FTC, which did not respond to requests for comment.
“WE’RE PLEASED TO HAVE REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH THE FTC”
The FTC also claimed that Uber promised to provide drivers with the best-available financing options to own or lease a car, but that the rates drivers received were worse than those that could be obtained by consumers with similar credit scores. In 2015, Uber ended its relationship with Banco Santander’s auto loan division, which later was accused of issuing subprime loans for vehicle financing.
“We’re pleased to have reached an agreement with the FTC,” an Uber spokesperson said. “We’ve made many improvements to the driver experience over the last year and will continue to focus on ensuring that Uber is the best option for anyone looking to earn money on their own schedule.”
As part of the settlement, Uber agreed to issue semi-regular compliance reports to the FTC, including marketing material and driver earning reports, according to court documents.
This isn’t the first time Uber has agreed to settle claims alleging it made misleading statements to drivers and customers. Last year, Uber agreed to settle two class-action lawsuits for $28.5 million that allege the ride-hail company improperly marketed its safety record to passengers by charging them a flat fee for "safe rides." A few months later, Uber agreed to settle a class action lawsuit with drivers for $100 million, but that was later rejected by a judge as an insufficient amount. Last September, Uber won preliminary approval to settle a claim that it misled riders about a 20 percent gratuity for drivers.
Seppala, Timothy J. “Uber offers insurance to US drivers, but only in certain states (updated): Per-mile fees for passengers will increase to pay for coverage.” Engadget. (May 10, 2017) https://www.engadget.com/2017/05/10/uber-driver-insurance/
Brandom, Russell and Andrew Hawkins. “How Uber secretly investigated its legal foes — and got caught: Faced with a class action suit, the company hired a CIA-linked intelligence firm to look into the plaintiffs and their lawyer, but a judge says they may have gone too far.” The Verge. (July 10, 2016) https://www.theverge.com/2016/7/10/12127638/uber-ergo-investigation-lawsuit-fraud-travis-kalanick
Nothing to stop drivers talking to finance companies to see if the loan Uber is offering is the best available. I assume most sensible people would do that.
Ubders ex CEO - but still really running it - Kalanick bought a townhouse in the upper hills of San Francisco which was nicknamed "the Jam Pad" and had its own Twitter account
Nothing to stop drivers talking to finance companies to see if the loan Uber is offering is the best available. I assume most sensible people would do that.
Most uber drivers aren’t white middle class solicitors, weirdly. So regardless of whether or not they are sensible, I would be surprised if they had the same access to finance that you do. I dislike the instruction to check one’s privilege, but check your bloody privilege.
I do hope a safety assessment has been done comparing passengers attacked by unlicensed uber drivers with the likely attacks on people walking the streets at night because uber no longer exists and they cant find/afford a cab.
Let's be honest, none of the other apps will be any better they've just not come under the same scrutiny. It's the same pool of drivers using all of them.
Stix car dealerships all try to persuade you to take finance when you are buying a car and my bank is reguarly offering me loans to buy a car so I'd imagine your average taxi driver would at least think "hang on the Toyota finance comes at a cheaper rate than the Uber special so I'll have a look at that". In fact given that they regularly buy new cars I'd expect a cab driver to know rather more about car finance than the rest of us.
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is thre a right of appeal
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boss mayor
gonna win even bigger next time round
love the guy
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apparently so - 21 days
The Private Hire Vehicles (London) Act 1998 includes provision to appeal a licensing decision within 21 days of it being communicated to the applicant. Uber London Limited can continue to operate until any appeal processes have been exhausted or withdrawn
so just after Christmas then. phew
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All bizarre , the second suspension of their license I wonder what Khan is up to
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Khan’s strategy is not to actually take Uber off the streets but to use the power of the Mayor’s office in what is, by a distance, their largest global city market, to change the culture of the organisation. A culture that is still essentially the rule breaking, misogynist maverickism of their ge-headed megatwot founder, Kalanick.
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and fair play to him
London will make Uber better
”disrupting” is not a moral excuse
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Remember the bad old days of flagging down unlicensed uninsured MOT free mini cabs driven by a bloke who’s not even officially in the country with no knowledge of London geography beyond Soho?
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as pointed out above, nearly all Uber drivers drive for other firms anyway and the illegality of their immigration status was largely alleviated by the 2004 accession to the EU of the eastern bloc countries
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they’ll appeal. This isn’t going to help the backlog in the Mags...
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Anyone tried that Kapten app? I'm hesitant to use it on the basis that their Tube adverts are so awful they deserve to be punished, but if it's basically the same as Uber then I may be forced to.
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remember when you'd come outside of a club / bar and there would be loads of shifty looking lads offering people lifts home for £20.
Basically that again.
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fooking black cab Brexit supporting lobby
best competitor to start using please?
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Try Bolt
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Kapten and Viavan have been suggested to me, Queenie
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This is not going to make the slightest bit of difference to Uber’s revenues, let alone to your ability to get home cheaply after your christmas piss up, u sultans of self-interest.
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By a totally random coincidence, Black Cab drivers are wanting an increase in fares:
https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/taxis/fares-2019/
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Sadiq Khan's statement says they identified 14,000 rides in the last few months taken by fraudulent drivers, which is pretty shit if true tbf. Especially given the warning they got last year.
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this is all self serving bullshit to appease the black cab drivers (who are all khunts)
Uber is fooking excellent and cheap
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What roger said
does Bolt etc have similar safety concerns?
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Kapten is pretty good. Generally works out a bit cheaper than uber.
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That’s the one ???. I was once in one when it rear ended another. As an up and coming solicitor I figured I didn’t need to get involved in the dispute and slunk out of the passenger side while the two drivers shouted at each other.
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Good, uber is a blight on society and traffic in general. Fck em right in the ear
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I am a late convert to Uber, and any issues I have had have resulted in an immediate refund/credit no question asked. The only small gripe I have is when a driver accepts your booking then cancels for whatever reason.
Only very recently, I forgot how crap ordering a mini cab is. Cab is ten minutes late, the office is not answering, you go up and down the stairs/in/out the front door trying to locate cab.Said cab has parked 100 metres away or cannot find the location. Further call to the office where controller says" he is/was outside" and so on and so forth.
That said Uber from all the media they have been putting out really believe they maybe in difficulty this time, and are on a PR charm offensive. Mini cabs must be laughing, as to Black cabs surely they are a busted flush. Far too expensive and they regularly refuse journeys if your drop off is not where they wan't to go
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"He's just turning your corner love"
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I'm with ebita. I've never found uber to be anything other than very responsive to concerns I have raised and very forward when it comes to refunds. They refunded me once because I gave a bad review as the car smelled of cigs. People go on about the drivers but I have had more issues with the drivers of cabs in the US and UK than I have had with uber drivers.
Black cabs on the other hand are a rather old fashioned idea where their USP of knowing the city well has been usurped by technology and they are unaccepting that this should have any impact on them.
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A few times they have given me a credit and when I said I want my card refunded they didn’t hesitate to do so immediately
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All the Uber drivers also drive for other ride-hailing apps and / or trad minicab businesses so nobody has lost a job and nobody is going to find it difficult to get a cab. The same number of journeys will be done by the same vehicles and drivers, just not subsidised by Uber shareholders.
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Uber’s app is OK. There are plenty of others which are just as good. Uber’s service is OK but nothing special compared to other industries.
Uber the corporation are a bunch of absolute scumbags whose hope is to lower the fares to drive the competition off the roads and then raise them again once they have a monopoly. At the moment they are losing money on every fare. Along the way they have been happy to break any labour laws and any consumer protection laws if it suited them.
I want Uber to be a competitor not a monopolist and I want them to obey the laws like everyone else including all their competitors.
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Until very recently I found them the same price as my local mini cab . More recently they have definitely reduced prices and I was offered 50% of my next ten rides
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And they are incredibly convenient, no paper receipts , you can track the car and leave your building precisely as it arrives .cars are clean , etc, etc .
The rating thing is bollocks if you give drivers low ratings watch your own rating go down !
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Uber are an utterly evil organisation. They fook over their drivers and customers and no one gives a shit.
I am shocked how otherwise sensible Londoners go nuts if they fear they might lose the slightly cheaper but shiity service from Uber.
"sadiq ruins christmas" - is a prime example of this sort of crazed bollocks.
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Every driver I have spoken to loves the deal they have and have said they would never go back to mini cabs . The only gripe I heard is the old driver pay more in commission / car rent than the new ones apparently
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How do they screw customers, wible
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Oh ebitda spoke to a driver and he loves it.
Let's ignore the thousands of cases worldwide where Uber got them tied in and then utterly fooked them over then. ...
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And how is it they screw customers in the UK or have the 50000 trips they do in London every day been booked by imbeciles
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To be fair its mostly the rapist drivers they don;t screen properly that do the screwing of customers .
but but "incredibly convenient"
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Hawkins, Andrew J. “Uber to pay $20 million to settle claims it misled drivers about pay, financing.” The Verge. (Jan 19, 2017) http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/19/14330708/uber-ftc-settlement-20-million-driver-mislead-earnings
Uber will pay $20 million to settle a complaint by the Federal Trade Commission that it misled drivers about earnings and vehicle financing, the Wall Street Journal is reporting. The consumer protection agency alleged that Uber publicized misleading statements about the amount of money drivers could earn in 20 cities. For example, Uber said drivers could earn up to $90,000 a year in New York City and $74,000 in San Francisco.
As part of the settlement, Uber is not admitting any wrongdoing, but has agreed to pay $20 million. That sum will be distributed to drivers affected by the FTC, which did not respond to requests for comment.
“WE’RE PLEASED TO HAVE REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH THE FTC”
The FTC also claimed that Uber promised to provide drivers with the best-available financing options to own or lease a car, but that the rates drivers received were worse than those that could be obtained by consumers with similar credit scores. In 2015, Uber ended its relationship with Banco Santander’s auto loan division, which later was accused of issuing subprime loans for vehicle financing.
“We’re pleased to have reached an agreement with the FTC,” an Uber spokesperson said. “We’ve made many improvements to the driver experience over the last year and will continue to focus on ensuring that Uber is the best option for anyone looking to earn money on their own schedule.”
As part of the settlement, Uber agreed to issue semi-regular compliance reports to the FTC, including marketing material and driver earning reports, according to court documents.
This isn’t the first time Uber has agreed to settle claims alleging it made misleading statements to drivers and customers. Last year, Uber agreed to settle two class-action lawsuits for $28.5 million that allege the ride-hail company improperly marketed its safety record to passengers by charging them a flat fee for "safe rides." A few months later, Uber agreed to settle a class action lawsuit with drivers for $100 million, but that was later rejected by a judge as an insufficient amount. Last September, Uber won preliminary approval to settle a claim that it misled riders about a 20 percent gratuity for drivers.
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Cineas, Fabiola. “Here’s Why Uber Rates Went Up in Philly This Week: The company just launched a pilot insurance product for drivers, and consumers are footing the bill.” Philadelphia Magazine. (May 10, 2017) www.phillymag.com/business/2017/05/10/uber-rates-raised-philly-driver-insurance-injury-protection/#AUsf4qDSitzpgjK2.99
Seppala, Timothy J. “Uber offers insurance to US drivers, but only in certain states (updated): Per-mile fees for passengers will increase to pay for coverage.” Engadget. (May 10, 2017) https://www.engadget.com/2017/05/10/uber-driver-insurance/
Dickey, Megan Rose. “Uber gets sued over alleged ‘Hell’ program to track Lyft drivers.” TechCrunch (April 24, 2017) https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/24/uber-hell-lawsuit/
Brandom, Russell and Andrew Hawkins. “How Uber secretly investigated its legal foes — and got caught: Faced with a class action suit, the company hired a CIA-linked intelligence firm to look into the plaintiffs and their lawyer, but a judge says they may have gone too far.” The Verge. (July 10, 2016) https://www.theverge.com/2016/7/10/12127638/uber-ergo-investigation-lawsuit-fraud-travis-kalanick
Howard, Alexander B. “Whose Privacy Will Uber Violate Next? Why Its Latest Bad Behavior Matters” Wired. (November 18, 2014) https://www.wired.com/2014/11/can-we-trust-you-uber/
Sherman, Len. “Uber's Elephant In The Room (It's Not CEO Travis Kalanick)” Forbes. (May 4, 2017) https://www.forbes.com/sites/lensherman/2017/05/04/ubers-elephant-in-the-room-its-not-ceo-travis-kalanick/#798a3cc97789
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IN case you were interested in some facts,.
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Nothing to stop drivers talking to finance companies to see if the loan Uber is offering is the best available. I assume most sensible people would do that.
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I have a friend who drove for Addison Lee. Now there’s a company which fooks over their drivers pretty damn hard too.
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Oh and MOST OF ALL!
Ubders ex CEO - but still really running it - Kalanick bought a townhouse in the upper hills of San Francisco which was nicknamed "the Jam Pad" and had its own Twitter account
THE JAM PAD!
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This thread is about the UK what sails said
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Oh. ok.
Lets ignore the patterns of history.
That always works out well.
but but "incredibly convenient"
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Most uber drivers aren’t white middle class solicitors, weirdly. So regardless of whether or not they are sensible, I would be surprised if they had the same access to finance that you do. I dislike the instruction to check one’s privilege, but check your bloody privilege.
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What Stix just said.
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I do hope a safety assessment has been done comparing passengers attacked by unlicensed uber drivers with the likely attacks on people walking the streets at night because uber no longer exists and they cant find/afford a cab.
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yes, without uber there will be no cabs for anyone to get.
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They never drink, eat pork or fook teenage white girls either Abby
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Let's be honest, none of the other apps will be any better they've just not come under the same scrutiny. It's the same pool of drivers using all of them.
fook black cabs forever.
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Stix car dealerships all try to persuade you to take finance when you are buying a car and my bank is reguarly offering me loans to buy a car so I'd imagine your average taxi driver would at least think "hang on the Toyota finance comes at a cheaper rate than the Uber special so I'll have a look at that". In fact given that they regularly buy new cars I'd expect a cab driver to know rather more about car finance than the rest of us.
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Well thank you for your input Marie Antoinette
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Most Uber drivers are not "cab drivers" who know rather more about car finance than the rest of us.
YOu are confusing them with professional cab drivers, some of whom are also uber drivers but are still not most Uber drivers.
hth
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Stix given your reported increase in cup size I reckon you should come to Christmas drinks in a Marie Antionette ear dress.
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Might have missed a salient fact, but not sure that maths works...
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They have 21 days to lodge the appeal, but can carry on operating whilst the appeal is determined.
That will take more than 21 days.
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