You didn't fully read the article did you? Won't result in a reduction in radiographers but will enable the NHS to do far more screening without having to train and recruit a lot more people.
Yes, this lady sounds horrified that she'll end up flipping burgers
Dr Katharine Halliday, the president of the Royal College of Radiologists, said: “AI holds huge promise and could save clinicians time by maximising our efficiency, supporting our decision-making, and helping identify and prioritise the most urgent cases
But of course Hanners never fails to grasp the opportunity to take a Spear & Jackson 3880NB to the face.
The hospital in which I currently work has approx 1/3rd the number of radiologists it should. AI will need to make massive strides before it comes close to threatening the employment prospects of (most) radiologists. There are many radiologist tasks for which an AI solution is not even contemplated.
hospital manager: hmmm one of our two radiologists is retiring. A replacement? Oh no, the computer’s doing that now
of course the chair of the trade union is going to talk up the need for her members. The reality is the ai is better at it even now and less chippy than poeple like chimp. The decline of their role is inevitable (and actually it would be immoral not to use better detection methods)
This does seem like an obvious early win for AI tech. Fortunately (for radiographers and also therefore for the chances of widespread acceptance of the tech) there seems to be a massive shortage of radiographers internationally at the moment (and also vast appetite for more scans) so this has every chance of being treated as solving a problem rather than creating one.
Radiographers take the images, radiologists interpret them.
Nobody knows how many of anything there will be in 20 years time. Lots of document comprehending and producing jobs are likely to be affected by AI too.
NB it doesn’t say “better”, it says “as good as”. For this specific use-case. If you actually read the study, they compared AI+radiologist to radiologist + radiologist and found that AI+human performed no worse than 2 humans.
Seriously, risky - you need to see someone to try to make you better, or at least less awful. You're not a good or well person, and you should try to do something about that.
There cant be thay many radiologists bothered about this, the tit ones maybe, but they can always specialise in another part of the body, i dont think it needs major retraining or anything.
Dual-reading mammograms is going to make up a small part of the job for most breast radiologists. Breast radiology is actually one of the “safer” specialties with regards to AI as it involves a lot of patient contact and procedural work (biopsies etc).
The bigger threat to jobs is going to be with algorithms that can report normal studies with a high degree of accuracy. I know of one for chest X-ray. In response to the workforce crisis among radiologists, there are now people (not doctors) specifically trained to report only chest X-ray. They are probably going to suffer a reduction in headcount in future
You could use some of the cash you get back when your new mates resign and give you a refund cos they realise that no amount of money can make you bearable.
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/02/ai-use-breast-cancer-screening-study-preliminary-results
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You didn't fully read the article did you? Won't result in a reduction in radiographers but will enable the NHS to do far more screening without having to train and recruit a lot more people.
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Not too worried.
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heh, being thunderpwned by sails must really sting
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Yes, this lady sounds horrified that she'll end up flipping burgers
Dr Katharine Halliday, the president of the Royal College of Radiologists, said: “AI holds huge promise and could save clinicians time by maximising our efficiency, supporting our decision-making, and helping identify and prioritise the most urgent cases
But of course Hanners never fails to grasp the opportunity to take a Spear & Jackson 3880NB to the face.
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The hospital in which I currently work has approx 1/3rd the number of radiologists it should. AI will need to make massive strides before it comes close to threatening the employment prospects of (most) radiologists. There are many radiologist tasks for which an AI solution is not even contemplated.
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Heh this is how it will go:
hospital manager: hmmm one of our two radiologists is retiring. A replacement? Oh no, the computer’s doing that now
of course the chair of the trade union is going to talk up the need for her members. The reality is the ai is better at it even now and less chippy than poeple like chimp. The decline of their role is inevitable (and actually it would be immoral not to use better detection methods)
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Buzz and sails, let’s see how many human radiographers there are in 20 years time.
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Let's see how many job centres there are in 20 years time too.
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Ah the old I was talking about twenty years time defence.
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I'm all for progress, efficiency and better diagnosis and treatment Hanners.
I don't quite take the same delight in the thought that people may lose their jobs. That takes a special type of SAP.
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We’ve already established that chimp just wants to rip off the uk taxpayer for as much as he can and then leave buzz
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Well he won't be going to the job centre then will he?
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I guess Risky doesn’t understand that intelligent people with actually valuable skills will adapt and retrain to maximise use of new technology.
He must have a crippling fear of an AI passport checking machine taking his job.
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This does seem like an obvious early win for AI tech. Fortunately (for radiographers and also therefore for the chances of widespread acceptance of the tech) there seems to be a massive shortage of radiographers internationally at the moment (and also vast appetite for more scans) so this has every chance of being treated as solving a problem rather than creating one.
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I suspect he’ll see ripping off the taxpayer further for benefits as too attractive.
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Christ imagine being this salty
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God you’re an idiot.
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Radiographers take the images, radiologists interpret them.
Nobody knows how many of anything there will be in 20 years time. Lots of document comprehending and producing jobs are likely to be affected by AI too.
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Lol. You’re trying to claim the royal college isn’t a trade union? 🤣 next you’ll be saying the law soxiety is a regulator!
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It’s not a trade union you fooking imbecile 🤣
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The guardian love it
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One out, all out!
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Every day you spend hours on here talking absolute shit. Sad!
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Screenshotting the guardian headline for some unfathomable reason
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At least you’ve stopped disputing that AI does a better job than the human
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When did I say that?
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This is a tough watch
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NB it doesn’t say “better”, it says “as good as”. For this specific use-case. If you actually read the study, they compared AI+radiologist to radiologist + radiologist and found that AI+human performed no worse than 2 humans.
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As ever, the human (you) continues to be the weak link
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At least do some better trolling. This is shit
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Seems to have sucked you in pretty well, grifty
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happy to oblige in bossing you, takes no mental effort
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‘center’
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I’ll just have the last word then. AI the future, newchimp the past.
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Have you not noticed Hanner's US spelling affectation before? He'll never use an "s" where an American would use a "z". Cos he's SAP.
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Yeah but I assumed it was a bot malfunction- a coding error or similar.
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Nothing more sinister than iphone autocorrect
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But you can understand why someone might think it's an intentional affectation given that you're an absolute throbber.
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Affectation? Moi?
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AI and the mass die off of the boomers in the next decade is what will save the NHS. No need for more funding now.
The Tories can have that specious justification for free.
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Sounds great.
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Risky really enjoys the humiliation at the moment. Full kink reveal.
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Seriously, risky - you need to see someone to try to make you better, or at least less awful. You're not a good or well person, and you should try to do something about that.
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Who should I see? Will you all pay?
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There cant be thay many radiologists bothered about this, the tit ones maybe, but they can always specialise in another part of the body, i dont think it needs major retraining or anything.
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Dual-reading mammograms is going to make up a small part of the job for most breast radiologists. Breast radiology is actually one of the “safer” specialties with regards to AI as it involves a lot of patient contact and procedural work (biopsies etc).
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The bigger threat to jobs is going to be with algorithms that can report normal studies with a high degree of accuracy. I know of one for chest X-ray. In response to the workforce crisis among radiologists, there are now people (not doctors) specifically trained to report only chest X-ray. They are probably going to suffer a reduction in headcount in future
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You could use some of the cash you get back when your new mates resign and give you a refund cos they realise that no amount of money can make you bearable.
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I think that these radiologists could retrain as costermongers.
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Chimp - dr m remains a big proponent of maintaining a general caseload alongside his partic area. Paid dividends in the vu, too
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Old news, but it's the pigeons the radiographers really need to watch out for.
Or not, because they're... y'know, skilled professionals who aren't subject to the AI dichotomy of specificity versus sensitivity.
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