He may be a penis but on the army point hundreds if not thousands of people who have served in the army reserves and the others have also served on various of the major operations of the last 30 years. Some of whom were killed doing so. Others were fired by employers after serving on ops, had their jobs threatened and careers held back simply for being in the reserves as well as being told they would only be offered a job if they gave it up (some of which is illegal I think and those employers should be named and shamed tbh).
My own pathetic service is limited to the cadre of St Custards CCF however IMHO anyone slagging off reservists is as much in the penis club as this guy. More so if they haven't done it themselves.
He probably thinks he is on the "Be the Best" train. Guys I know in the regular army would think someone was a knob for say "I wasn't trained to lose". Just checked and he was TA in the 80s which was a period in which I am informed TA training was a bit of a joke and they never deployed anywhere. He was also a professional lobbyist which is kind of the lowest form of bottom feeder.
I think the TA is still much maligned. I am proud of the few roffers I know who do this/have done it. Not easy to fit with a day job amd a family life.
less proud of those who pretend to have done it obv...
Btom are you sure there were no reserves in the falklands? I am fairly sure they were in desert storm but happy to be corrected (obv that's 90s).
He joined after the Falklands. May have been a few TA but it was mostly rapidly available troops who went to the Falklands so unlikely there would be much TA.
Yes they did do a lot of the later middle east stuff and the Balkans. I have worked with many reservists who are in the main a great bunch and often far better educated than their regular superiors, but older bods have told me that what I experienced was very different from what they were back in the 80s.
I think it must have changed a lot over the years. My pa was in the Royal Hampshires (TA) in the '60s and it sounds like a right doss. By contrast, my m8 was deployed in the 2nd Gulf War (c.2003) and got shot at and all sorts.
My GGfather was in the Hampshires Duxta. in WW1. They have a historian who is very helpful and sent me a cd with all his records on. MID several times and was in some of the most gruesome battles.
Chatting to a client yesterday who informed me (apropos of fook all tbh) Francois was a m6 of his. I quite like the client so refrained from pointing out that he was clearly a bellend by association.
MF seems unsuited to the army imo. Unable to control himself or think clearly, and far too easily riled. See the Will Self confrontation. MF couldnt even understand what was VERY CLEARLY AND REPEATEDLY being said to him.
It is not patriotic to advocate a path for your country based solely on fuzzy outdated idealistic emotions that would lead to nigh on irreparable economic and social damage to said country.
the idea that those of us that think Brexit is mental are 'unpatriotic' or 'traitors' is silly
(aside heh - some Brexiter twot got up early one morning and replaced all the Sodem EU flags outside Parliament with the union flag. Upside down. Steve Bray kept them: 'it's our flag too!' but put them the right way up)
I daresay there are a few patriots who advocate remaining but the vast majority of Europhiles seem to be globalists, for whom the whole idea of a nation-state is a anathema.
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Cept he wasn’t really was he?
He’s just another frothing ignorant loon.
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From this week's Private Eye:
Territorial Army hard-man refuses to bow to Tory whips on Brexit
"You'll have to put a shotgun in my mouth...but only at weekends"
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https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/mark-francois-army-sky-news-beth-rigby-brexit-vote/
'It is not a win, it’s a lose. I am not going to bank a lose. I was in the army, I wasn’t trained to lose'
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He was a subaltern in the Royal Anglian Regiment. So yes, he was in the Army (albeit the TA).
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He is a total fooking penis
and that's up against some pretty stiff competition
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That's a matter of judgment. That he was in the Army is a matter of fact.
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is this the guy who juest squeeks "17.4 million people" every time a camera pans across him
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is this the guy who juest squeeks "17.4 million people" every time a camera pans across him
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He may be a penis but on the army point hundreds if not thousands of people who have served in the army reserves and the others have also served on various of the major operations of the last 30 years. Some of whom were killed doing so. Others were fired by employers after serving on ops, had their jobs threatened and careers held back simply for being in the reserves as well as being told they would only be offered a job if they gave it up (some of which is illegal I think and those employers should be named and shamed tbh).
My own pathetic service is limited to the cadre of St Custards CCF however IMHO anyone slagging off reservists is as much in the penis club as this guy. More so if they haven't done it themselves.
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My criticism of the army comment, is not disrespect to the fact he was in the TA but that he makes a comment like:
"I was in the army, I wasn’t trained to lose".
It makes him look like a knob, not the army.
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well quite
you would never get someone like Tobias Ellwood making such a cheap comment
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Heh@???
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He probably thinks he is on the "Be the Best" train. Guys I know in the regular army would think someone was a knob for say "I wasn't trained to lose". Just checked and he was TA in the 80s which was a period in which I am informed TA training was a bit of a joke and they never deployed anywhere. He was also a professional lobbyist which is kind of the lowest form of bottom feeder.
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I think the TA is still much maligned. I am proud of the few roffers I know who do this/have done it. Not easy to fit with a day job amd a family life.
less proud of those who pretend to have done it obv...
Btom are you sure there were no reserves in the falklands? I am fairly sure they were in desert storm but happy to be corrected (obv that's 90s).
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Don't knock Walting. It's a tough business.
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He joined after the Falklands. May have been a few TA but it was mostly rapidly available troops who went to the Falklands so unlikely there would be much TA.
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Yes they did do a lot of the later middle east stuff and the Balkans. I have worked with many reservists who are in the main a great bunch and often far better educated than their regular superiors, but older bods have told me that what I experienced was very different from what they were back in the 80s.
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I think it must have changed a lot over the years. My pa was in the Royal Hampshires (TA) in the '60s and it sounds like a right doss. By contrast, my m8 was deployed in the 2nd Gulf War (c.2003) and got shot at and all sorts.
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He single handed defeat Hitler in 1945.
Warrior
Politician
Bellend
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My GGfather was in the Hampshires Duxta. in WW1. They have a historian who is very helpful and sent me a cd with all his records on. MID several times and was in some of the most gruesome battles.
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Good stuff Wang excellent work by the venerable ancestor.
Now can we just get back to how much of a throbber Francis is?
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Don't forget
"My father, Reginald Francois, was a D Day veteran. He never submitted to bullying by any German and neither will his son".
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I bet he was one of those CCF w**kers at school. If he wasnt trained to lose, it must be genetic
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"I was in the army, I wasn’t trained to lose"
sounds like Gareth Keenan
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Is this man real of a Fawlty Towers character?
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I think we need a separate thread, Wang.
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It’s a long, long way to Tipperary; Take me back to Dear Old Blighty etc
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Make it so Mr Dux and I shall dazzle u with talez of my other GGfather who was in the 20 minuters
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This was Hitler's mistake
Didn't realise the Russians had millions of reservists who took time to train, and were not on the record, but were there at the end
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Chatting to a client yesterday who informed me (apropos of fook all tbh) Francois was a m6 of his. I quite like the client so refrained from pointing out that he was clearly a bellend by association.
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It’s interesting the various zombies that emerge to walk abroad....
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I've been to Rayleigh and none of this surprises me.
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Has he mentioned that he has been trained to kill with his bare hands
yet?
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MF seems unsuited to the army imo. Unable to control himself or think clearly, and far too easily riled. See the Will Self confrontation. MF couldnt even understand what was VERY CLEARLY AND REPEATEDLY being said to him.
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he was in my year at university and was a regular nice guy. I find it astonishing, what he has become.
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I feel he would struggle with being bantered in the Army, and if you show any weakness the banter gets worse.
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A patriot? Oh, how ghastly.
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He may it may not be a patriot. What he certainly is, is an idiot.
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It is not patriotic to advocate a path for your country based solely on fuzzy outdated idealistic emotions that would lead to nigh on irreparable economic and social damage to said country.
hth
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what tecco said
the idea that those of us that think Brexit is mental are 'unpatriotic' or 'traitors' is silly
(aside heh - some Brexiter twot got up early one morning and replaced all the Sodem EU flags outside Parliament with the union flag. Upside down. Steve Bray kept them: 'it's our flag too!' but put them the right way up)
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mega-heh at 'Brincels'
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/04/brexit-brexiteers…
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There's a direct correlation between levels of tedery and people who complain about the Union Jack ("it's the Union Flag") being upside down.
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I daresay there are a few patriots who advocate remaining but the vast majority of Europhiles seem to be globalists, for whom the whole idea of a nation-state is a anathema.
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3Dux, you know u axd me to tell u when u sounded like a moron? it's often.
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