I don't think Atherton is a bell end

mankading should not be part of the game

V poor behaviour, but backing up can go to ridiculous lengths in one-dayers - it didn't here obvs.

In sporting terms he is. He also did ball tampering remember? Just because he's English doesn't mean you can't be objective. 

I don't accept the absurd dirt in the pocket row circa 1994 (?) (if that's what you are referring to) was ball tampering.

also, what's your beef with stuart broad?

Calm down dear. Just stating a fact that they are both guilty of unsporting behaviour. I can name some more foreigners if that helps balance it out. 

I am calm. I was curious as to your beef with stuart broad. I remember he annoyed some people when he waited for the umpire's decision after a slip catch.

Used to warn batsmen all the time in my club cricket days and even stumped a few when they persistently did it. Never got any stick for it.

Can someone link a YouTube of this happening?  I have absolutely no concept.

This incident will fuel a new generation of cricketing bell ends - the next 5 years of junior cricket should be lively worldwide, particularly whenever one team is on the verge of winning

I don’t see anything wrong with running the non striker out backing up. I do think it’s polite to warn him first, but if he’s taking the piss, tough titty.

What is mankading pls

It's a form of run-out where the bowler runs out the batsman at their end in their delivery stride - most batsman are trained to walk out of the crease as the bowler bowls

Butler has got form for stealing most of a run by going early but ironically in this case his bat was still behind the line when the ball would typically be released and most people think he was tricked out

Mankad was an Indian bowler from the 60s who started it and he is now immortalized in a verb

In any competitive match I’ve ever played in - club, league etc., not just lads in the park - it is clearly understood that there is one particular situation in which running the non-striker out in this way is ok but still fair warning is the convention. 

This

- a competent batsmen is facing and dabs consistently towards 3rd man with weak late cuts, taking advantage of a field designed to stop boundaries (i.e. no slips, no third man, everybody out) and he is getting cheap singles and twos which he wouldn’t be able to grab without the non striker taking liberties

and

-  bowler’s end Johnny is backing up to the point of making a quick single impossible to run out at the W/K end and v difficult to run the batter out at the bowlers end (because w/k has to run, deglove and turn to throw)

THEN

- the bowler stands over the wicket says if you do that again you tart I will run you out and looks to the Umpire who nods and everyone is on notice. After that you can mankad him back to the Pavilion no probs. 

In a mankad the cheat is the non-striker who is stealing ground, not the bowler who spots his gamemanship.

The convention that you need to warn him is stupid and just another example of the game being bent towards the batsmen. Like how fielders can't claim a catch if they know it's bounced but a batsman doesn't have to walk if he knows he's edged it.

The bell-ends are those who whinge about spirit of cricket. This is the game of WG "They came to see me bat, not you umpire" Grace and is played by Australians. The Spirit of Cricket has always been a convenient myth, used to entrench status because money can't buy you a good upbringing (although family money has purchased many a public school education). Respecting the umpire's call is a tradition born out of the desire to silence the gamekeeper when the aristocrat he's bowling to is given not out by one of his chums.

What was so egregious about sandpapergate was not the Australians' underhand tactics but their sanctimony having in recent years appointed themselves guardians of "the line".

and is played by Australians.

Heheh!  

I do largely agree with you, but I think the spirit of cricket is a nice tradition.  It certainly beats the code footballers seem to play by.  I respect batsmen who walk.  I respect fielders who say "I don't t know whether it carried".  There should be a balance.  

Yes, I'm not advocating dissent or cheating but let's not pretend that cricket (or England) is morally superior.

Wot mutters said. But where conventions aren’t respected there needs to be a clear rule, surely. 

There is a clear rule.  The MCC came out yesterday confirming it's a perfectly legitimate practice and there is absolutely no need to warn the infringing batsman before sending him back to the pavilion.

Yes but the convention has usually applied. It’s so very cricket isn’t it? What to do?

I don't see your point.  You said where the convention isn't respected there needs to be a rule.  I said there is a rule, and you said the convention is applied.  Make your mind up!!

there are lots of things which are not against the rules but which are not in the spirit of the game.

When you have a game played over the course of the day, it's difficult to regulate everything - especially in amateur cricket.

I'm pretty relaxed about this tbh. I always keep my bat in the crease when the bowler's running up. This thing with non-facing batsmen walking halfway down the pitch is a new-fangled trend. 

*calls for a quick single*

*notices 3D puffing on his cigar at the non striker's end*

*hopes 3D is out PDQ*

Lollers!

If by new fangled you mean “since the 18th century” you might have a point. However, we certainly had some bloke at our club doing it in the early 1980s, so I wouldn’t say it was that new, you pompous oaf.

To clarify, we had a bloke who would run out non strikers who were backing up 

If they insist on "backing up", they shouldn't be too surprised if they get run out.

Bovvered.

The trouble is you are just adding to the decisions that have to be made, and especially in amateur sport polluting what should be an enjoyable game with petty shite that needs to be adjudicated on. 

I played in the Law Society 7s years ago having not touched a rugby ball in anger since year 10, and was amazed to discover all the pathetic cheating that went on (hair-pulling, raking, eye-gouging etc). It's tragic that this is what people seek to emulate rather than the skill of professional players.  

this seems fine to me.  see also that aussie lad (kyriagos?) doing an underarm serve

I'm ok with under arm serving

chang to lendl was one of the great moments

Wot Royal Flush said. Unfortunately, it's a batsman's game, as they say.