If you had to flee your homeland, what entitlements (if any) would you anticipate benefiting from beyond an objective ly fair hearing as a genuine refugee?
My details were fine prodders. Risky types need to listen and stop talking like they've ever had to endure a single hardship.
Oh they've run out of hovis at the Waitrose, I'll have to go to Sainsburys instead and their hovis isn't as exclusive. Woe is me. I'll have to make myself feel better by posting awful things about migrants on rof all day while comfort eating a substandard loaf.
RR I appear to have a natural understanding with Feelingbrill. I largely ignore him. He largely ignores me. Apparently I leave him cold. I sense not not nearly as cold as many on here would like to see him.
My comments weren't really directed at risky, that was a side swipe to remind him he's still a soggy flap. You could replace him with any of the other alt right Meatshields and it would have the same effect.
This is all because there are a number of British voters who think that staying in a "hotel" is somehow desperately grand. The fact that asylum seekers stay in slightly shit B&Bs is an affront to many people. Yet when those asylum seekers are moved (at significant expense, no doubt) to stay in broadly equivalent accommodation in a hotel that happens to be a "barge", it's all good for the right wingers, yet an affront to the left-wingers.
I think at least some of this was caused by the idea that asylum seekers were staying in (really quite shit) hotels in seaside resorts that should be earning a living from holidaymakers, yet were filled with asylum seekers.
But this barge in Weymouth is a good thing, apparently.
I do think everyone has lost any semblance of reason on this issue. There are a few hard truths, I think:
- there are many asylum seekers who wish to come to this country
- but not as many (per capita) who wish to seek asylum as in other countries such as Germany or Italy
- all those who seek asylum have the right to do so, and they should not (despite latest legislation) be criminalised for doing so
- many of those who seek asylum are not genuine asylum seekers, but are economic migrants
- but a majority of those who seek asylum have well-founded claims
- a small minority of those who do not have genuine claims are assisted by corrupt lawyers
- the conditions in which asylum seekers are held are, whether in hotels or not, not luxurious
- the real answer to all of this is to process asylum claims quicker but, perversely, that may encourage more small boat crossings (why not have a pop, if you could get a passport/ILTR within a few months), rather than deter them, so no one suggests it
So I am not sure there is a good answer to this, other than being honest with the British public that being an island is not all it's cracked up to be, and allowing us to move on as a nation...
Speaking as someone who has not lived in the UK for years, looking in from outside I am continually surprised that anyone wants to live there. It has an image as a nasty racist country run by right wing nutters and populated by idiots who think its a sound economic policy to cut ties with its biggest and nearest market in which it was previously an established and leading member.
“Speaking as someone who has not lived in the UK for years, looking in from outside I am continually surprised that anyone wants to live there. It has an image as a nasty racist country run by right wing nutters and populated by idiots who think its a sound economic policy to cut ties with its biggest and nearest market in which it was previously an established and leading member.
Maybe they are attracted by its sovereignty.”
Can you get this pressed up onto a tea towel and ready for the gift shops. Chz.
there are many obvious pull factors. free health care, english language, welfare, established and cherished democracy, inate anti-authoritarianism, tolerant people
Appreciate that this is very London centric and based on white privelige, but London is by and large not racist quite the opposite imo. CF Paris for example
(i) To be able to choose which country I live in. I wouldn't want this just to be determined by so-called "safety"; I should have passage through six or seven safe countries to get where I want.
(ii) My preferred destination should put me up in a four star hotel near a city centre. Don't want any giant barge or anything like that.
(iii) Free healthcare and other benefits would obviously be welcome.
(iv) I would expect free advice on how best to tailor my story to the authorities to get my asylum claim through.
(v) Once I am installed in my country of choice, they should let my family come along as well.
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Not to be housed on a death barge desperately hoping my asylum application is processed before risky types come and set fire to it.
That sort of thing?
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How about some fine detail RR. Until today that was hypothetical.
Cast your mind back to yesterday.
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As I said on the other thread
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Your commment reported royalty. You owe risky types an apology
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We shan’t be holding our breaths!
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A basic safe place to live and three square meals a day.
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Have you had a night out on Portland? They’ll only do that once.
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My details were fine prodders. Risky types need to listen and stop talking like they've ever had to endure a single hardship.
Oh they've run out of hovis at the Waitrose, I'll have to go to Sainsburys instead and their hovis isn't as exclusive. Woe is me. I'll have to make myself feel better by posting awful things about migrants on rof all day while comfort eating a substandard loaf.
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A safe warm place to live
Food and drink
My application to be processed quickly fairly and with dignity
Not to be abused and labelled a criminal by public school boys
Once my application is successful, the opportunity to work hard, provide, build a life and pay my taxes. Just quietly going about my business
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I like that Davos.
RR I appear to have a natural understanding with Feelingbrill. I largely ignore him. He largely ignores me. Apparently I leave him cold. I sense not not nearly as cold as many on here would like to see him.
If Davos can provide detail, surely you can too?
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I feel like you are farming me for thread engagement now prodders.
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Who do you want to be abused by if not PSBs?
Otherwise spot on
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I guess I'd quite like the media not to abuse me
But that is PSBs so not sure I need to provide further detail
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I’m trying to tease out your real opinion. Imagine Feelingbrill had lost his internet connection and didn’t factor into your thinking.
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My comments weren't really directed at risky, that was a side swipe to remind him he's still a soggy flap. You could replace him with any of the other alt right Meatshields and it would have the same effect.
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Perhaps read this
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12384727/First-migrant-Bibby-Stockholm-likes-it.html
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A man who speaks little English says 'its ok'
Tories get erect
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What Davos said.
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This is all because there are a number of British voters who think that staying in a "hotel" is somehow desperately grand. The fact that asylum seekers stay in slightly shit B&Bs is an affront to many people. Yet when those asylum seekers are moved (at significant expense, no doubt) to stay in broadly equivalent accommodation in a hotel that happens to be a "barge", it's all good for the right wingers, yet an affront to the left-wingers.
I think at least some of this was caused by the idea that asylum seekers were staying in (really quite shit) hotels in seaside resorts that should be earning a living from holidaymakers, yet were filled with asylum seekers.
But this barge in Weymouth is a good thing, apparently.
I do think everyone has lost any semblance of reason on this issue. There are a few hard truths, I think:
- there are many asylum seekers who wish to come to this country
- but not as many (per capita) who wish to seek asylum as in other countries such as Germany or Italy
- all those who seek asylum have the right to do so, and they should not (despite latest legislation) be criminalised for doing so
- many of those who seek asylum are not genuine asylum seekers, but are economic migrants
- but a majority of those who seek asylum have well-founded claims
- a small minority of those who do not have genuine claims are assisted by corrupt lawyers
- the conditions in which asylum seekers are held are, whether in hotels or not, not luxurious
- the real answer to all of this is to process asylum claims quicker but, perversely, that may encourage more small boat crossings (why not have a pop, if you could get a passport/ILTR within a few months), rather than deter them, so no one suggests it
So I am not sure there is a good answer to this, other than being honest with the British public that being an island is not all it's cracked up to be, and allowing us to move on as a nation...
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Speaking as someone who has not lived in the UK for years, looking in from outside I am continually surprised that anyone wants to live there. It has an image as a nasty racist country run by right wing nutters and populated by idiots who think its a sound economic policy to cut ties with its biggest and nearest market in which it was previously an established and leading member.
Maybe they are attracted by its sovereignty.
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“Speaking as someone who has not lived in the UK for years, looking in from outside I am continually surprised that anyone wants to live there. It has an image as a nasty racist country run by right wing nutters and populated by idiots who think its a sound economic policy to cut ties with its biggest and nearest market in which it was previously an established and leading member.
Maybe they are attracted by its sovereignty.”
Can you get this pressed up onto a tea towel and ready for the gift shops. Chz.
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there are many obvious pull factors. free health care, english language, welfare, established and cherished democracy, inate anti-authoritarianism, tolerant people
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pleasant climate
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Where do you live TP?
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Appreciate that this is very London centric and based on white privelige, but London is by and large not racist quite the opposite imo. CF Paris for example
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I'd expect:
(i) To be able to choose which country I live in. I wouldn't want this just to be determined by so-called "safety"; I should have passage through six or seven safe countries to get where I want.
(ii) My preferred destination should put me up in a four star hotel near a city centre. Don't want any giant barge or anything like that.
(iii) Free healthcare and other benefits would obviously be welcome.
(iv) I would expect free advice on how best to tailor my story to the authorities to get my asylum claim through.
(v) Once I am installed in my country of choice, they should let my family come along as well.
These are just minimum requirements, obviously.
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The other pull factor is our reputation for being a country where it's easy to go under the radar and work illegally.
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