A friend on mine went to the doctor bc he is suffering from terrible vertigo and his cross bc the GP is making him do a liver functioning test and telling him off about his boozing.
9 pints over how long? Any meals interspersed? Would be drunk but probably not falling over, if it was an all-pm sesh and had had a decent dinner in there. Next day would be tough.
Clerghers - the best thing aqbout no boozign is financial. I might splash out on either the Liberty or Havey Nicks Beauty Advent Calendar with my savings.
There are definitely some times when I think that a glass of wine would be nice but I think that when I resume, I am going to cut out the pointless booze.
I would be very drunk, but still alive. Over a full day with meals it's not totally unreasonable. It's a lot in just an evening. The next day would be a write-off.
Yes 3 or 4 pints is too much for daily consumption levels.
medley that is not true (1) you can drink way too much without being an alcoholic (2) alcohol risks increase as you drink more but the idea that your life span will defintely be "dramatically shortened" is wrong. People seem to have a problem distinguishing between risks and certainty.
Guy -- I like your consistently bullish attitude to alcohol. It's nice to see in this day and age. But a bottle of day of 12% wine (and hardly any red wines fall into that category these days -- they're mostly 13% plus) is 9 units a day or 63 units a week. That's got to be harmful, unless you are doing all the right things otherwise -- diet, exercise, etc
I find I drink far more in a week if I have a few pints a day instead of a big sesh
I'm the opposite. If I drink nothing all week and then finally have access to alcohol, I am much more likely to go for it than if I have had a glass or two on a couple of days earlier on in the week
As regards sleep (and alcohol is sleep's enemy number one), the key thing is to drink earlier in the day, ideally no later than 18:00. This method allows you to process all the alcohol before you go to sleep. My sleep quality very rarely drops below 85 (according to my Fitbit watch thingy), if I drink (sensibly) 4-5 hours before bedtime
As above Canute, it increases risks, but at that level there is absolutely no certainty it will cause harm. Indeed a famous large scale medical study concluded that equivalent of a bottle of wine a day does not even increase risks of ill health - this was a very large study following doctors over a long period of time. Now, this study has been largely discredited and most people would accept that 60 units of alcohol a day increases risks - but this is not the same as definitely causing harm. You need to drink more than this to be in the certainty category.
The French drink wine like water trope thing oh that makes it ok. You can easily be a solicitor on a bottle a day. Won’t stop you dying of boredom though.
Not sure of marshalls point but presumably he is projecting
Nothing wrong with drinking the drink you like though. It's very beta human to drink something you hate in case people think worse of you
What I meant Canute was if I go out and have 3 pints it doesn't stop me doing the same the next day and the next day and the next day etc. Can happen if the work diary is busy with client meetings etc. So I probably average 20 pints a week
But if I go and have a sesh of 10 I don't fancy a beer for at least a week
In belgium they love a big round goblet style glass on a long thin stalk. Certainly, every time I head to bruges I find a top heavy local blonde to keep me company.
Judy I feel I can answer this question and nice to meet you although of course we have never knowingly met.
After 9 pints all men are really quite hooned and will all talk at least 50% louder to each other. 10% of those men will consider themselves ok. They are fooling only themselves. The next day you feel disastrous - sluggish, sweating, and a general cycle of self loathing and disgust. That could be just me though.
One great way round this little pickle is to only drink out of those massive German stein glasses - that way you've only had one drink instead of 3 pints. Hopefully this helps your pal.
People get extremely confused by health warnings and advice.
Government health warnings are based on statistics and on a macro level the effects of certain things can look devastating - 1000s of early deaths and all sorts other nasties. On an individual level it may just mean a small percentage risk. This means we have got the stage where people like Medley, who clearly have a dodgy grip of statistics believe that 3 pints a day means a certain early death. It may cause problems sure but chances are it will have no significant impact whatsoever.
He has a drink problem so may not present as even being drunk. Fact he is a middle class professional in London just means he can hide it in plain sight.
What Merkz said. I drank roughly the equivalent of 9 pints on Saturday but it was 5 pints (of 5% lager) over 3 hours at lunch followed by a nap, followed by a bottle of wine with food in the evening. Walked the dog at 10.30pm and tucked up in bed by midnight.
Probably wasn't 100% on Sunday when I woke up at 8.30am but certainly not dying. Well enough to play a bit of football with the kids and enjoy it later in the day.
If it had been 9 pints between 8pm and 1am followed by not enough sleep then the following day would have been brutal and I probably wouldn't have remembered getting home/going to bed.
I think guys pretty much right as I see it - my grandparents were massive drinkers and lived to about their mid 80s. Beer is really not so bad its spirits that are going to mess you up over the long term. But hey I'm not a doctor.
I think I remember reading cheggers autobiography where he said he bought 9 litres (litres!) Of voddie a day, 3 of which he put in places his wife would find them to tip them down the sink. He had a litre in the shower in the morning, and ingeniously stashed one in the front hedge for his morning commute. That's a man with a thirst.
I reckon there will be many examples (and I know a few) of people who do that who will be in good shape if they are healthy in other areas of their lives. I would say 3-4 pints or a bottle of wine a day is pretty much an amount that many (but not all) people will get away with. Whatever government health warnings say most people that suffer ill health through alcohol drink considerably more than that.
If you drink 3-4 pints or a bottle of wine a day and are otherwise in good health and fit, you are the exception. That is a lot of booze to be putting away. At the very least you are likely to be overweight just from the additional calories
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sub-optimal.
also sub-optimal.
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200 cals per pint!
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A friend on mine went to the doctor bc he is suffering from terrible vertigo and his cross bc the GP is making him do a liver functioning test and telling him off about his boozing.
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I am actually on day 79 of my 6 month no booze challenge.
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Bloated.
Ale > lager
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how would you feel after drinking 9 pints of lager - ratted, most likely.
Also is it bad to drink 3 or 4 pints a day? imho, yes.
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jc - what is your favourite out out beverage when not boozing? I had a really nice blueberry soda when on hols and wish they'd sell it here
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Lager not subject to the German laws is full of Christ knows what. Eeeruughhh
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I know a couple of chaps who did a 100 pint week once.
Neither felt well at the end of it, but you have to admire the dedication.
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9 pints over how long? Any meals interspersed? Would be drunk but probably not falling over, if it was an all-pm sesh and had had a decent dinner in there. Next day would be tough.
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Clerghers, when out, I order
- Lucky Saint - weirdly, I don't like alcoholic beers, but when ice cold, I enjoy Lucky Saint
- Sparkling water
- Kombucha
- Dalston cherry soda
- Coffee
- Ginger ale
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good choices
currently enjoying a bootch myself
would like if we had a more iced tea culture
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9 pints of premium strength lager is like drinking 3 bottles of wine
so probably a bit tired and confused
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If you are out with the working class lads and have a means of getting home that doesn't involve you driving, 10+ pints for 4-4.5% lager is common
I generally feel a bit drunk
But fine the next morning if a little sluggish
I find I drink far more in a week if I have a few pints a day instead of a big sesh
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Clerghers - the best thing aqbout no boozign is financial. I might splash out on either the Liberty or Havey Nicks Beauty Advent Calendar with my savings.
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He is an ex public school boy classical architect, if that makes a difference.
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yeah it opens up a good realm of other treats
(although I am hypocritically going 4 wine tonight - a Monday!)
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Ponce like that is probably dead after nine pints. Probably had a "tactical chunder" half way through.
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There are definitely some times when I think that a glass of wine would be nice but I think that when I resume, I am going to cut out the pointless booze.
I also love that I now sleep like a baby.
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3 pints a day/bottle of wine a day is borderline territory - alcohol damage by no means inevitable but you are rolling the dice.
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I would be very drunk, but still alive. Over a full day with meals it's not totally unreasonable. It's a lot in just an evening. The next day would be a write-off.
Yes 3 or 4 pints is too much for daily consumption levels.
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If it's 9 pints of decent lager, pretty grim.
If it's 9 pints of who knows what is in this lager, super grim.
3-4 pints per day every day is super grim territory, you're alcoholic at that level and will be dramatically shortening your lifespan
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medley that is not true (1) you can drink way too much without being an alcoholic (2) alcohol risks increase as you drink more but the idea that your life span will defintely be "dramatically shortened" is wrong. People seem to have a problem distinguishing between risks and certainty.
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Guy -- I like your consistently bullish attitude to alcohol. It's nice to see in this day and age. But a bottle of day of 12% wine (and hardly any red wines fall into that category these days -- they're mostly 13% plus) is 9 units a day or 63 units a week. That's got to be harmful, unless you are doing all the right things otherwise -- diet, exercise, etc
I'm the opposite. If I drink nothing all week and then finally have access to alcohol, I am much more likely to go for it than if I have had a glass or two on a couple of days earlier on in the week
As regards sleep (and alcohol is sleep's enemy number one), the key thing is to drink earlier in the day, ideally no later than 18:00. This method allows you to process all the alcohol before you go to sleep. My sleep quality very rarely drops below 85 (according to my Fitbit watch thingy), if I drink (sensibly) 4-5 hours before bedtime
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And to answer the question. I could drink 9 pints pretty easily, I think. I am very well trained
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As above Canute, it increases risks, but at that level there is absolutely no certainty it will cause harm. Indeed a famous large scale medical study concluded that equivalent of a bottle of wine a day does not even increase risks of ill health - this was a very large study following doctors over a long period of time. Now, this study has been largely discredited and most people would accept that 60 units of alcohol a day increases risks - but this is not the same as definitely causing harm. You need to drink more than this to be in the certainty category.
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by a day I mean a week! 60 units a day and even I accept you are not long for this world...
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X100 recommendation for Dalston Cherry Soda.
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It's so refreshing isn't it, and not too sweet.
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The French drink wine like water trope thing oh that makes it ok. You can easily be a solicitor on a bottle a day. Won’t stop you dying of boredom though.
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Need to up it to Buckfast for that.
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IRL Davos is more of a lager-top chap.
I only now drink lager on a very warm day like today, before dinner - there's no way I could drink 9pts now - 4-5 would probs be max.
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Not sure of marshalls point but presumably he is projecting
Nothing wrong with drinking the drink you like though. It's very beta human to drink something you hate in case people think worse of you
What I meant Canute was if I go out and have 3 pints it doesn't stop me doing the same the next day and the next day and the next day etc. Can happen if the work diary is busy with client meetings etc. So I probably average 20 pints a week
But if I go and have a sesh of 10 I don't fancy a beer for at least a week
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You guys. 3 pints of anything remotely strong and the room is spinning for me. 5 pints and it's definitely coming back out the way it went in.
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Sour but not too sour.
Sweet but not too sweet.
Thirst quenching.
FACE WHY DON'T YOU JUST MARRY DALSTON CHERRY SODA.
If I could, I would.
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Quite drunk unless it was over a very long period of time.
Over the long term it’s probably sub optimal as clubbo says.
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“dramatically shortening your lifespan” is way over egging it; as discussed passim there are people who get by drinking three times that for years.
It’s not an optimally healthy level of consumption tho
100 pints in a week as a one off challenge is meritorious. Almost 15 a day! Fark
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Anyway all this chat makes me want a
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Has anyone written a pHD on why a pint glass mirrors the shaps of a generously curved lady? If not, Laz should oblige.
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In belgium they love a big round goblet style glass on a long thin stalk. Certainly, every time I head to bruges I find a top heavy local blonde to keep me company.
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See how the famous Coca-Cola ‘Contour’ bottle was subliminally designed around the then ideal shape of a woman in silhouette.
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Judy I feel I can answer this question and nice to meet you although of course we have never knowingly met.
After 9 pints all men are really quite hooned and will all talk at least 50% louder to each other. 10% of those men will consider themselves ok. They are fooling only themselves. The next day you feel disastrous - sluggish, sweating, and a general cycle of self loathing and disgust. That could be just me though.
One great way round this little pickle is to only drink out of those massive German stein glasses - that way you've only had one drink instead of 3 pints. Hopefully this helps your pal.
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9 pints of 3.8/4% between say, 1300 and 2230 wouldn’t be too bad as a one off
9 pints of 5/6% over 3 or 4 hours would be pretty brutal
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People get extremely confused by health warnings and advice.
Government health warnings are based on statistics and on a macro level the effects of certain things can look devastating - 1000s of early deaths and all sorts other nasties. On an individual level it may just mean a small percentage risk. This means we have got the stage where people like Medley, who clearly have a dodgy grip of statistics believe that 3 pints a day means a certain early death. It may cause problems sure but chances are it will have no significant impact whatsoever.
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Guy, in the nicest possible way, are you like this in person?
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No, why do you think I post on here? Can release by inner irritating pedant.
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How do you do, Doug.
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He has a drink problem so may not present as even being drunk. Fact he is a middle class professional in London just means he can hide it in plain sight.
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What Merkz said. I drank roughly the equivalent of 9 pints on Saturday but it was 5 pints (of 5% lager) over 3 hours at lunch followed by a nap, followed by a bottle of wine with food in the evening. Walked the dog at 10.30pm and tucked up in bed by midnight.
Probably wasn't 100% on Sunday when I woke up at 8.30am but certainly not dying. Well enough to play a bit of football with the kids and enjoy it later in the day.
If it had been 9 pints between 8pm and 1am followed by not enough sleep then the following day would have been brutal and I probably wouldn't have remembered getting home/going to bed.
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After nine pints of lager, I would need a day in bed and probably an STI check
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Phoebe likes to have a lager
Four at the very most
Six and she's under the table
Nine and she's under the host.
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With apologies to Dorothy Parker.
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Gods, 9 pints would genuinely destroy me.
Same goes for 3 a day - fitness would go down the toilet for me.
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you can't drink 3 pints a day and be fit. period.
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I'm very well Judy tip top just now actually
I think guys pretty much right as I see it - my grandparents were massive drinkers and lived to about their mid 80s. Beer is really not so bad its spirits that are going to mess you up over the long term. But hey I'm not a doctor.
I think I remember reading cheggers autobiography where he said he bought 9 litres (litres!) Of voddie a day, 3 of which he put in places his wife would find them to tip them down the sink. He had a litre in the shower in the morning, and ingeniously stashed one in the front hedge for his morning commute. That's a man with a thirst.
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And yet the likes of Ian Botham, Ben Stokes, Andrew Flintoff, George Best, Gazza, Tony Adams all had lengthy careers at the highest level.
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Also micky quinn and big John daly
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And Doug's contemporary, Big Bill Werbenuik
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If you drink 3 pints per day (as in literally 7 days per week) for your adult life you will not be in good shape.
It's that amount of alcohol that's the problem I argue (with the calories as a secondary problem).
A bit of alcohol per adult day can work out OK I think, depending on other factors and your genes.
But I just can't see 3 pints of beer every day as workable if you want to reach, say, 85 in OK shape
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I reckon there will be many examples (and I know a few) of people who do that who will be in good shape if they are healthy in other areas of their lives. I would say 3-4 pints or a bottle of wine a day is pretty much an amount that many (but not all) people will get away with. Whatever government health warnings say most people that suffer ill health through alcohol drink considerably more than that.
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(although obviously size matters - to a petite woman that is going to be a lot more than to a large bloke).
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Size does not matter. Take that back
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If you drink 3-4 pints or a bottle of wine a day and are otherwise in good health and fit, you are the exception. That is a lot of booze to be putting away. At the very least you are likely to be overweight just from the additional calories
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It's a hot day. I shall need to slake my thirst.
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Fully accept the excess calorie point chimp - no escaping that.
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