Heh. It is odourless, but he still claims he got a funny smell and called the fire brigade. He may have been making up his super power but it was a leak and the whole family had a day in hospital to right themselves.
InfiniteMonkeyTheorem05 Feb 23 23:55 Reply| Report
Isn't carbon monoxide odourless jelly
2 theories:
- the co is emitted with some other substance that can be smelled
- the person has a hypersensitivity (eg hay fever/asthma) which means they sense the change in the air in their nose - not smell it but feel it in some way
The po-po have said it was not suspicious and nobody else was involved. They haven't mentioned a gas leak at all, which if it was even suspected would not be sensitive in the circumstances and would be mentioned.
This means they are satisfied they know what happened from the scene without further tests. And that points to murder / suicide with a note having been left. The mother was very slight, and women murdering their own children and husband is exceptionally rare. The usual pattern in husband kills child first then wife if premeditated, or kills wife in rage and then kid before self.
It's not man-hating, I'm just playing the odds game.
And fyi women killing their kids is uncommon but it happens - usually linked to depression
i agree that killing the husband is less common. Whole family killings is usually the man and usually linked to infidelity or a loss of status for the man, eg lost his job or business goes kaput
What Kimmy said. Betting on the 99% likely outcome where a whole family is found dead and the police have said the code for murder suicide is hardly prejudiced.
Given how old and shady the heating systems are at most private schools I'd got for the old carbon monoxide poisoning. Recently about a third of the boarding houses at Eton had no heating and hot water because all the ancient boilers had finally given out.
You'd imagine with what the parents are paying to "educate" their kids at Eton some portion of that would have been set aside for infrastructure improvements, eh? Unless cold showers and unheated living quarters are seen as part of the essential public school experience...
We didn't have any decent heating at school, but I'd have thought nowadays that the oligarchs, City financiers and footballers (about the only people who can afford the fees) would demand it.
Pez it all gets spent on shiny stuff front of house that the parents to get to see but the infrastructure behind the scenes is often creaking. It's nice and easy to give the rooms a lick of paint and put new furniture in but more complicated trying to replace an entire heating system while the place is shut for eight weeks over the summer.
Sun reporting the school's rifle range as being cordoned off, so it wasn't gas (being found together also suggested to me that it was unlikely to be gas).
School saying nice things about the Head, which I doubt it would be if there were indications it was her.
Not bad. One of Mrs Dux's cousins went there, as did an old colleague of mine. Used to produce lots of doctors. I get the impression it attracts a lot of rich South London types nowadays as day pupils, rather than its more traditional crop of professionals from further afield.
Always have a carbon monoxide alarm next to each and every gas appliance in the house.
Thankfully we had one near our old gas boiler - which went off, and the boiler was then 'condemned' by the Gas Safe folks who called round that evening.
Extract from a US study from an article published in Oct 2022:
Domestic murder-suicide perpetrators belong to the same demographic group that accounts for most suicide victims in the United States — adult and older adult non-Hispanic white men. National Violent Death Reporting System data for 2003 to 2005 indicated that 91.4% of murder-suicides were committed by males, 97.6% by persons over age 19, and 77% by individuals identified as white.8
Tho a woman in Huddersfield stabbed 3 children yesterday. But yeah, the man.
Given what the IPSO Code says, best to wait to be so certain about whether it's a woman or a man who identifies as a woman. News editors are obliged by the Code to report that it is a woman if they are a man who identifies as one. Check out the "notourcrimes" hashtag. Another ridiculous consequence of self-ID.
If your relative makes a distressed call and you know there are firearms in the house call 999 rather than pottering over there to see what's going on.
Given what the IPSO Code says, best to wait to be so certain about whether it's a woman or a man who identifies as a woman. News editors are obliged by the Code to report that it is a woman if they are a man who identifies as one. Check out the "notourcrimes" hashtag. Another ridiculous consequence of self-ID.
Nice. Cynical use of terrible crimes as a means to advance your retarded bigotry. Standard behaviour of course for racists, anti-semites, homophobes etc, kind of gives the game away for transbigots as a result.
I seem to remember this family featuring in the news a few months ago, when she took up the job? It wasn’t even really newsworthy. Wasn’t it just a fluff piece? Then they become really newsworthy. Reminds me of that woman that disappeared in the Pyrenees. She had also done an article about her new life and adventures, as both she and her husband had given up the rat race and bought a camper van to live in. I seem to recall that she did just tragically fall during a hike rather than anything untoward, but at the time everybody pointed fingers at the husband.
It does make you wonder how close seemingly happy couples are to murder-suicide like this. It feels like a lot of men default to this when they are unhappy. Before anybody accuses me of normalising violence, I’m the last person who would do this. I’m relationship avoidant and Ive never even had an argument with a girlfriend, as I just end them (the relationship, not the girlfriend) before that point is ever reached.
Pointing out newspapers are obliged by regulation to report male crimes as female if the criminal says so is hardly a leap on a thread about a male crime, Warren you utter penis.
Very interesting change in tone on the DMs headline, calling it a ‘tragedy’.
the last time this was debated on here (a couple of yrs ago) the man was being called a ‘monster’ etc and the newspapers were making him out to be an evil killer
i mentioned that it was similar to when a woman kills kids as a result of post partum depression and the usual misandrists lined up to call me ‘pencil dick’, ‘incel’ etc
perhaps all this talk about men’s mental health is finally paying dividends
Hotnow is right. A man shoots a woman and a girl in cold blood, and it's definitely the women who kill in tiny numbers in comparison who are to blame. For shame, misandrists!
What are you talking about you bizarre monomaniac?
im saying the reporting should be compassionate and constructive around mental health, just as it is when women with post partum depression commit infanticide
And I’m glad to see that this is, on the whole, the direction of travel
I really don't think we can make excuses for a cold blooded killer of those he was meant to protect.
This is an extreme example of toxic masculinity. A man who thinks his wife and child are his possessions, and if he isn't going to live they sure as hell aren't.
And you are wittering on about men's mental health. Jeez.
I think it's well established that you are almost certainly deficient in every possible way, you rancid little twit, you don't need any help from me to make that clear.
Something in the news this morning about how the wife had made some happy statement about her new role in the school, which included some reference to it having led to her husband having to have found a new job unexpectedly.
From the stuff that's coming out it seems not great relationship.
The wife was six years older and British. He was younger and an immigrant. I suspect that she made a lot of the decisions for both of them. When she wanted to move to Epsom College they moved. He was the tag-along spouse. There's definitely an edge in that recording where she talks about him changing jobs. Like a parent would talk about their child. Now it is reported that he had previously reported her to the police for striking him. My guess is that there was a lot of resentment there - likely on both sides. Not, of course, that justifies anyone assaulting never mind killing anyone. If you're in a bad relationship - get out.
I grew up living on the grounds of a secondary school where my father was the headmaster and it's not something I'd wish on my worse enemy. Monday to Friday term time there's very little privacy - everyone can see your comings and goings. TYes, lots of people live on the site of a family business, but very rarely a business that has 100s of people coming and going.
It’s a trope for sure: younger, virile man marries older more professionally successful woman who conveys public image of happily “having it all”. Man turns out to be a nutter. I bet it had been unhappy for ages before this. He probably had threatened her with the gun before. Stories like this make me want to stay happily single.
Benj they wouldn't be but they'd have a grace a favour house maintained by the school which is just as likely to have a creaking ancient boiler.
Take far too long to fill an entire house with CO so that air in the bedrooms rise to deadly levels, especially as the overwhelming likelihood is that boiler is OFF during the night.
This is an extreme example of toxic masculinity. A man who thinks his wife and child are his possessions, and if he isn't going to live they sure as hell aren't.
And you are wittering on about men's mental health. Jeez.
It's good for you that you are able to find so much certainty in situations like this, while other people are simply all at sea trying to work out why an apparently happy family was destroyed in such a tragic fashion, including as it does the death of a child.
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Murder suicide or carbon monoxide poisoning
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wtf
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Absolutely tragic.
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i swear i’m not trying to make light of this stuff
but i’ve been watching all the poker face episodes over the weekend and with this and the nicola bulley stuff it feels like i’m high but i’m not high
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why is real life so tragic and weird
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Pal has hypersensitive sense of smell and smelled something not quite right. Whole family went woozy. Was carbon monoxide. Lucky to be alive.
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Isn't carbon monoxide odourless jelly?
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No, it's a gas.
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Guilty heh.
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Heh. It is odourless, but he still claims he got a funny smell and called the fire brigade. He may have been making up his super power but it was a leak and the whole family had a day in hospital to right themselves.
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So the Epsom college head didn’t have Spidey sense, is that the problem?
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Likely the husband in both these cases
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2 theories:
- the co is emitted with some other substance that can be smelled
- the person has a hypersensitivity (eg hay fever/asthma) which means they sense the change in the air in their nose - not smell it but feel it in some way
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Husband killed kid then wife for me, Clive.
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carbon monoxide itself may be odourless but other things it is commonly found with in eg leaking gas fumes are not
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Pinko gets straight to the man-hating angle! Big surprise
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The po-po have said it was not suspicious and nobody else was involved. They haven't mentioned a gas leak at all, which if it was even suspected would not be sensitive in the circumstances and would be mentioned.
This means they are satisfied they know what happened from the scene without further tests. And that points to murder / suicide with a note having been left. The mother was very slight, and women murdering their own children and husband is exceptionally rare. The usual pattern in husband kills child first then wife if premeditated, or kills wife in rage and then kid before self.
It's not man-hating, I'm just playing the odds game.
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i reckon laz is just tweaking ur nose
its 1 of those rare cases where pinko is probably right
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Women do poisoning Funno
turn gas on whilst hubbie sleeps
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And fyi women killing their kids is uncommon but it happens - usually linked to depression
i agree that killing the husband is less common. Whole family killings is usually the man and usually linked to infidelity or a loss of status for the man, eg lost his job or business goes kaput
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**QI KLAXON FOR HOTNOW**
https://www.wired.com/2013/01/the-myth-of-the-female-poisoner/
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Hotnow, I said:
Nothing in your response countered this. Saying "Women kill their kids too" in response to someone who didn't say they didn't is odd.
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If you can read and comprehend Fun-sac you’ll see I basically agreed with you but without the undertone of misandry
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Well, it's early, but my money would be on kill wife, kill kid, kill self to avoid a) divorce b) financial collapse c) social embarrassment.
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saying "i think a man did a bad thing" when it is a likely thing to have happened in the circumstances is not misandry ffs.
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What Kimmy said. Betting on the 99% likely outcome where a whole family is found dead and the police have said the code for murder suicide is hardly prejudiced.
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They'll price up anything for degenerate gamblers these days
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I don’t disagree ur hypothesis is viable m88.
Just saying you hate men!
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Given how old and shady the heating systems are at most private schools I'd got for the old carbon monoxide poisoning. Recently about a third of the boarding houses at Eton had no heating and hot water because all the ancient boilers had finally given out.
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Daily Heil hinting at the murder suicide.
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You'd imagine with what the parents are paying to "educate" their kids at Eton some portion of that would have been set aside for infrastructure improvements, eh? Unless cold showers and unheated living quarters are seen as part of the essential public school experience...
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It’s the thought of Hotnow feverishly scanning the rof pages for any opportunity to warble “misandry” for me.
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All of you... ageist. You bigots.
I reckon the kid did it.
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Honeybun diminishing, denying, gaslighting - a typical agent of structural androphobia
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We didn't have any decent heating at school, but I'd have thought nowadays that the oligarchs, City financiers and footballers (about the only people who can afford the fees) would demand it.
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Yes. You aren't getting Chinese nouveaus and Russian gangsters sending their kids over to a prison camp.
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Pez it all gets spent on shiny stuff front of house that the parents to get to see but the infrastructure behind the scenes is often creaking. It's nice and easy to give the rooms a lick of paint and put new furniture in but more complicated trying to replace an entire heating system while the place is shut for eight weeks over the summer.
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Sun reporting the school's rifle range as being cordoned off, so it wasn't gas (being found together also suggested to me that it was unlikely to be gas).
School saying nice things about the Head, which I doubt it would be if there were indications it was her.
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Yeah not really sure why anyone thought it was gas given that they never said it was in a car or in a house. Guess I called it at 0818
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I’m sure I read somewhere yesterday that someone heard shots fired.
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@ sails - why would the Head of the college and family be sleeping in the boiler room?
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This case is horrific. That poor little girl
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The monoxide theory i suggested alongside the murder suicide was when there was minimal evidence released 🙄
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Frankly amazed given that this is rof that this hasn't descended into a discussion of the relative status of Epsom College.
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Not bad. One of Mrs Dux's cousins went there, as did an old colleague of mine. Used to produce lots of doctors. I get the impression it attracts a lot of rich South London types nowadays as day pupils, rather than its more traditional crop of professionals from further afield.
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£42,000 a year school attracts rich types. More on this topic from Dux at the same time tomorrow.
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The teachers at these schools are generally still members of the Teachers' Pension Scheme.
If you want to know where all the fees go, then have a look at the level of employer contributions that particular scheme requires.
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I also thought it was likely to be a family annihilation scenario.
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The only hopeful thing is that as it was at 1am that the little girl was fast asleep and never knew what was happening. Hideous.
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"Gas" from the oven or hob is no longer poisonous. It's pure CH4.
You can't get CO poisoning from leaving the unlit gas on.
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Always have a carbon monoxide alarm next to each and every gas appliance in the house.
Thankfully we had one near our old gas boiler - which went off, and the boiler was then 'condemned' by the Gas Safe folks who called round that evening.
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It was a lot earlier than that.
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If it was a shooting, and the husband didn't have his own weapons, how the F was he able to gain access to the school's gun safe?
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Maybe he nicked her key.
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That's what is concerning. I would have expected the head of CCF and the head of estates or registrar (say) only to have one.
She had no need for access.
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Benj they wouldn't be but they'd have a grace a favour house maintained by the school which is just as likely to have a creaking ancient boiler.
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Maybe the child shot them both? Why always assume it’s the man?
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Because 99.9% of the time it is the man.
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Tho a woman in Huddersfield stabbed 3 children yesterday. But yeah, the man.
Suicide is awful, but to take others (especially a child) - he must have been seriously ill.
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GR, what stats have you got to come up with that figure?
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I asked Dr Charlotte Proudman.
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So in 999 cases out of 1000 you are saying that it is the man..
Hmmmm, don't know about that!
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Extract from a US study from an article published in Oct 2022:
Domestic murder-suicide perpetrators belong to the same demographic group that accounts for most suicide victims in the United States — adult and older adult non-Hispanic white men. National Violent Death Reporting System data for 2003 to 2005 indicated that 91.4% of murder-suicides were committed by males, 97.6% by persons over age 19, and 77% by individuals identified as white.8
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According to a study I just found, it's 89% the man.
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‘School armoury’
wang has Tecco been in touch lately?
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Fence Foal - 😆
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I can't see Wang's remark??
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Given what the IPSO Code says, best to wait to be so certain about whether it's a woman or a man who identifies as a woman. News editors are obliged by the Code to report that it is a woman if they are a man who identifies as one. Check out the "notourcrimes" hashtag. Another ridiculous consequence of self-ID.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64544884
Husband did do it it would seem.
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QUELLE SURPRISE!
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what a cowardly khunt.
and what Tom Fun said.
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If your relative makes a distressed call and you know there are firearms in the house call 999 rather than pottering over there to see what's going on.
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I called it
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Nice. Cynical use of terrible crimes as a means to advance your retarded bigotry. Standard behaviour of course for racists, anti-semites, homophobes etc, kind of gives the game away for transbigots as a result.
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Can someone pat risky on the head and give him a wherthers original.
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Agreed. Hope he at least botched his own death and it took him a good long while in agony to die, what a scumbag.
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I seem to remember this family featuring in the news a few months ago, when she took up the job? It wasn’t even really newsworthy. Wasn’t it just a fluff piece? Then they become really newsworthy. Reminds me of that woman that disappeared in the Pyrenees. She had also done an article about her new life and adventures, as both she and her husband had given up the rat race and bought a camper van to live in. I seem to recall that she did just tragically fall during a hike rather than anything untoward, but at the time everybody pointed fingers at the husband.
It does make you wonder how close seemingly happy couples are to murder-suicide like this. It feels like a lot of men default to this when they are unhappy. Before anybody accuses me of normalising violence, I’m the last person who would do this. I’m relationship avoidant and Ive never even had an argument with a girlfriend, as I just end them (the relationship, not the girlfriend) before that point is ever reached.
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Pointing out newspapers are obliged by regulation to report male crimes as female if the criminal says so is hardly a leap on a thread about a male crime, Warren you utter penis.
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Also your use of the vile ableist slur “retarded” has been reported. Do better, Warren.
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Very interesting change in tone on the DMs headline, calling it a ‘tragedy’.
the last time this was debated on here (a couple of yrs ago) the man was being called a ‘monster’ etc and the newspapers were making him out to be an evil killer
i mentioned that it was similar to when a woman kills kids as a result of post partum depression and the usual misandrists lined up to call me ‘pencil dick’, ‘incel’ etc
perhaps all this talk about men’s mental health is finally paying dividends
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Hotnow is right. A man shoots a woman and a girl in cold blood, and it's definitely the women who kill in tiny numbers in comparison who are to blame. For shame, misandrists!
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What are you talking about you bizarre monomaniac?
im saying the reporting should be compassionate and constructive around mental health, just as it is when women with post partum depression commit infanticide
And I’m glad to see that this is, on the whole, the direction of travel
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Oh, do fvck off, you stupid little sh1t.
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Ah so you’re not going with the sexist body shaming today Cru?
As I say, the direction of travel is good and a victory for egalitarianism
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Actually it’s not clear if you’re talking to me or Thomas Fun-sac.
I’ll assume you’re talking to Funno
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Lot of sh1te spouted there hotnow.
I really don't think we can make excuses for a cold blooded killer of those he was meant to protect.
This is an extreme example of toxic masculinity. A man who thinks his wife and child are his possessions, and if he isn't going to live they sure as hell aren't.
And you are wittering on about men's mental health. Jeez.
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I think it's well established that you are almost certainly deficient in every possible way, you rancid little twit, you don't need any help from me to make that clear.
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I would agree with my noble Lord, Lord Heh of Lollerton.
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Something in the news this morning about how the wife had made some happy statement about her new role in the school, which included some reference to it having led to her husband having to have found a new job unexpectedly.
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Lord heh, we don’t really know anything about his motivations.
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Shame how men’s mental health is called “toxic” by the usual misandrists
do you think he was of sound mind when he did what he did?
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From the stuff that's coming out it seems not great relationship.
The wife was six years older and British. He was younger and an immigrant. I suspect that she made a lot of the decisions for both of them. When she wanted to move to Epsom College they moved. He was the tag-along spouse. There's definitely an edge in that recording where she talks about him changing jobs. Like a parent would talk about their child. Now it is reported that he had previously reported her to the police for striking him. My guess is that there was a lot of resentment there - likely on both sides. Not, of course, that justifies anyone assaulting never mind killing anyone. If you're in a bad relationship - get out.
I grew up living on the grounds of a secondary school where my father was the headmaster and it's not something I'd wish on my worse enemy. Monday to Friday term time there's very little privacy - everyone can see your comings and goings. TYes, lots of people live on the site of a family business, but very rarely a business that has 100s of people coming and going.
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His nationality is listed as British on companies house.
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Reporting him as being born in Jamaica. Quite usual for immigrants to take British nationality (except if EU pre-Brexit).
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It’s a trope for sure: younger, virile man marries older more professionally successful woman who conveys public image of happily “having it all”. Man turns out to be a nutter. I bet it had been unhappy for ages before this. He probably had threatened her with the gun before. Stories like this make me want to stay happily single.
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"so why aren't you married?"
well one in 50,000 men kill their spouse so best not risk it.
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Well this all makes it easier for the family doesn’t it.
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Take far too long to fill an entire house with CO so that air in the bedrooms rise to deadly levels, especially as the overwhelming likelihood is that boiler is OFF during the night.
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It's good for you that you are able to find so much certainty in situations like this, while other people are simply all at sea trying to work out why an apparently happy family was destroyed in such a tragic fashion, including as it does the death of a child.
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Another thread that tuns - who spoke too soon of the demise?
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