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Corbyn blocked from standing as Lab candidate

Corbyn has been formally blocked by Labour's NEC from standing as a Labour candidate in the next election. 

Thoughts? Does he run as an independent? If so, does he win?

Impressive majority last election even with the swing against Labour, must have a good shout at winning as an independent.  Maybe he will take it on the chin for the good of the party, retire to local politics     

None at present who have run as an independent and won.

 

I reckon the last time someone ran as an independent in a general election and won was in 1997, and that was only because the non-Tory parties stood aside to give him a shot.

George Galloway, Respect, was kind of independent in the way that Corbyn would be. The cult of Corbyn is not that strong. A suitably left wing party name is needed.

The Red Guards.   

The Independent Socialist Workers Collective

 

Martin Bell was the classic. I thought there might have been one standing to save a local hospital? 

The state of the country is down to Brown, Clegg, Miliband and Corbyn. Brown and Milibean refuse to fook off and them and Clegg refuse apologise for their roles generally (Clegg's only apology was for tuition fees) so no reason to think the old, useless, moronic aunt will either. 

Does the average Islingtonite still not think that Corbyn might have proved himself to be a bit of a fanny of questionable judgement on far too many occasions?

 

In an effectively two-party FPTP system like ours, the two major parties should both allow for a broad range of visions and (openly expressed) opinions within their parties and amongst their electable representatives. The Conservatives appear to be better in accepting this. But the chaos this caused in recent years shows why Starmer may be less keen in allowing similar diversity within Labour.

Hence, we need to move to proportional representation. Reform, Green, Momentum, ... They all deserve some seats in Parliament. It is ridiculous that only the DUP has some seats, just because their voters happen to live close together. 

My theory is Starmer would rather lose the lefty liberal metropolitan tag so he can chase tory seats in the shires than fight Corbyn’s seat. I think he’ll just leave him to it. There’s no way an official Labour candidate will win, even if central office can keep the local party on side (which it can’t).

Who are the Corbynists of RoF? Do we have a contingent? 3-ducks perhaps. 

I read stuff about his anti semitism and I can't see that he is one. Just pathologically programmed never to get off the fence. Well he's out now but I'm sure he's not alone. Nice sort of intractable granddad figure. Good luck to him.

He’ll run as an independent, massively split the labour vote, and Labour will still win

That's exactly what happened in 1983 when Corbyn was first elected.  The then Labour MP for Islington North, Michael O'Halloran, was very much not in keeping with the changing nature of the constituency, being a socially conservative Irish Catholic. He defected to the Social Democrats but they selected as candidate the Social Democrat MP for Islington Central. O'Halloran ran as an independent, got 11% of the vote, the Social Democrats got 22% of the vote and Corbyn, in his first time running for a parliamentary seat, got 40% of the vote. 

In an effectively two-party FPTP system like ours, the two major parties should both allow for a broad range of visions and (openly expressed) opinions within their parties and amongst their electable representatives. The Conservatives appear to be better in accepting this. But the chaos this caused in recent years shows why Starmer may be less keen in allowing similar diversity within Labour.

Hmm. The tories are not diverse, bojo expelling all the remainers last parliament ended that. It was a broad church no more.

He didn't expel all the remainers. He reomved the whip from a handful of rebels who went all out to frustrate Brexit.

Some of his best cabinet colleagues were remainers. People like Liz Truss, Ben Wallace, Mel Stride, Theres Coffey, Michelle Donelan, Simon Hart, Robert Jenrick, Gavin Williamson and Grant Schapps.

Theresa May was a remainer and is still a tory.

The people who were booted were absolute traitors.

People like Spreadsheet Phil, Rory Stuart, David Gauke and Dominic Grieve.

Those people were nearly as unprincipled as Keir Starmer and had no place in the government that won an 80 seat majority by dispensing with them.

And it’s gone brilliantly since

The pro free trade Tories were turfed out, replaced by BlueKIP nutters or careerist fvckwits pretending to think imposing economic sanctions on ourselves is a good idea. The results speak for themselves and they will reap the rewards whenever they are forced to face the electorate (being too frit to do so any sooner)

That’s not true either . there are plenty on the con benches who didn’t want brexit but thought and think the vote should be respected . But these are old and boring arguments . 

‘but thought and think the vote should be respected‘

yes, careerists pretending to think it was a good idea.

‘But these are old and boring arguments’

now that we can see how well it’s going? Yeah I can imagine you wouldn’t want anyone to talk about it.

The only people who appear to have benefited were already loaded. The French would have decapitated them. And certainly not filled the government with tokens. The Germans would have spread the wealth to the middle classes. The Italians would be too busy cooking. Only Blighty, crippled by post colonial guilt, could give all the cash to the ruling class.

Jeremy Corbyn was a Remainer too. Maybe that is why Sir Keir is banning him from standing now. 

To prevent any embarrassment, now that "We should have a second referendum Keir" has flip flopped and is pro Leave.

‘Jeremy Corbyn was a Remainer too’

no, like most economically illiterate trots he was a lifelong brexiter - Galloway, Skinner, Benn all frothing lefty brexiters.

The doddery bloke will be in his late ‘70’s at the time of the next GE.

Why can’t silly old relics from the past like him and the Yankee duo retire to their bath chairs gracefully and give someone else a chance.

It’s definite strand of narcissism - they can’t do without me.

Yes we can - now just feck off.

Jeremy Corbyn made 122 pro-remain speeches during the Brexit referendum.

He then appointed Keir Starmer as his Shadow Brexit Secretary. 

There was very little more he could have done to make it plain he was a Remainer.

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The doddery bloke will be in his late ‘[sic]70’s at the time of the next GE.

Why can’t silly old relics from the past like him and the Yankee duo retire to their bath chairs gracefully and give someone else a chance.

It’s definite strand of narcissism - they can’t do without me.

Yes we can - now just feck off.

er, ur in ur 70s?…

“The people who were booted were absolute traitors.

People like Spreadsheet Phil, Rory Stuart, David Gauke and Dominic Grieve.

Those people were nearly as unprincipled as Keir Starmer and had no place in the government that won an 80 seat majority by dispensing with them.”

playftsewith me is Allison Pearson of the Daily Torygraph! 

Jeremy Corbyn;

- voted against joining the EEC in 1975

- voted against the Maastricht Treaty

- voted against the Lisbon Treaty

- voted in favour of a referendum in 2011 (defying the Labour whip)

- went on holiday during the referendum campaign

but yeah I’m sure in the privacy of the ballot box the lifelong eurosceptic voted remain. Deffo.

We are no longer subject to state aid rules and were well on the way to becoming free of them when he made those pledges.

Incidentally, Keir Starmer also pledged  to bring utilities back into public ownership but he has reneged on that promise too.

Local party will not leave with Corbyn.

 

There will be literally one or two local blow-hards who leave with him, or are expelled when they campaign for him.

 

The rest will keep in line because they don't want to be automatically expelled (clue: there is no discretion in applying this section of the rulebook) for campaigning for a candidate opposed to Labour. Also because they see the value of a Labour government.

 

That's before getting into the fact that 50% max of the Labour members in his constituency are Jezza hardcore, the rest are moderates or not fussed.

Asturias, he was elected leader of the Labour party by promising to his members that he would nationalise utilities. He has now broken that promise saying that he will not put that policy in place if he becomes PM.

Corbyn's plans to nationalise industries wouldn't get very far under EU state aid rules. Islington's remainers must be terribly confused.

Someone who does not understand EU law is posting here. EU rules don't prevent nationalisation at all - which should be fairly obvious given how many utilities in EU member states are in public ownership.  EU rules do limit how a member state can subsidise any undertaking (whether publicly or privately owned) if that will distort competition in the EU.  Good article on this here: https://www.anothereurope.org/lets-be-clear-nationalisation-is-not-agai…

 

He was elected gos he wasn’t on the chaos crew that surrounded Corbyn, as far as the country is concerned I suspect that anything “not Tory “ that can stay disaster free until the election is frankly gravy

u gotta love the oppressive opinions of not even pretending not 2 b fascist playftse/amithesucker/tcv/thefish 

2 him, basically ne1 who opposed the narrow destructive idea of brexit, which no1 in the country voted 4, is a “tr7or”. only about 25% of the country voted 4 brexit, and many of them r dead now. let alone the 1s who voted 4 this disastrous tozza brexit. talk about a democratic deficit

and despite multiple changes in tozza leadership and policy, voted 4 only a tiny proportion of the country, in his view the powerless leader of labour making the odd policy change is somehow a travesty. who cares? the problem is the tozzas r a comprehensive and total disaster

its never good 2 invoke godwin’s law, but playftse is the truly sinister sort of person where it is justified. a properly nasty piece of work. i think his is the vilest personality i have ever witnessed

Heh@pretending Corbyn was a remainer.  A couple of forced speeches through gritted teeth, at the most leave-friendly moments possible doth not a remainer make.  The stupid old khunt had to be dragged kicking and screaming into putting a confirmatory referendum (that everyone, either explicitly or implicitly by moaning about the type of brexit we've got, now acknowledges would have been the best way to go) in the manifesto.

i don’t blame the vast majority of brexters 2bh. they were just doing wot they thought was right. and many of them r simply v stupid and cannot b expected 2 do better

it’s the insidious 1s that r the problem. they knew wot they were doing, no excuses. and that includes corbyn.

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