With honeybun on this one. Yes there are bound to be some anti-semites present but the vast majority are likely to be there to show support for the Palestinian civilians who are dying by the hundred.
The evil puppet master is Netanyahu who actually funded Hamas in 2019!
The Palestinians are desperate people. When you create the awful conditions that the Palestinians have been subjected to for decades by Isr@el it creates the Hamas' of the world. You don't need a genius to figure that out and that is why the state terrorism by Isr@el will never work
The idea that "Israel shouldn't have held back!!!" is completely fooking nuts. Look at what they're doing. What more do you think they could actually realistically do?
I’m still flabbergasted by the notion that incessantly bombing a civilian population before a ground invasion where they have now declared Gaza a battlefield is ‘asking permission’.
I suspect that even clergs realises what a disastrous hole she has dug herself into this time, but the "you're just a dude with a library card" dig was worth reading the thread for.
Fully support this march to protest the disgusting oppression of the palestinian people, as should anyone with any morals. Good guide to Who’s a Secret C.unt, this issue.
Many of the brexity people now calling for pro palestine marches to be "dealt with" were hand waving the BNP clowns away as a tiny minority of pro-Brexit demonstrators.
Thousands upon thousands are dying before our eyes and you trivialise it.
Nobody (as I see it) is condoning Netanyahu. The man is a bigot, a cretin, a power-mad short-termist self-preservationist who would throw his religion and his people under the bus to save his own skin. Half of the people of Israel have always seen that; the other half is beginning to.
That though is being used as an excuse for racists to come out in their hundreds of thousands to demand the completion of the Holocaust.
Short of banning all religions, I can't see a way around the paradox of Hamas not resting until every Jew is dead, and Israel not being able to eliminate Hamas without also eliminating thousands of Palestinians.
Well, hamas was formed in 1987 but Palestine has been committing terrorist attacks in Israel since 1952 so
Not sure getting rid of hamas (even if that were possible and we should all be scared of the global implications of their thriving) solves the problem.
It doesn't matter if all Palestinians hate Israel or not (although I am pretty certain they must). Enough do that Israel can never peacefully co exist with it.
Everyone knows the left hates Israel and has done since the Soviets started feeding the narrative in the late 60s. Socialist Worker and the unions have been as preposterous as ever this time around.
I JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DON’T ENJOY WATCHING WHAT’S HAPPENING IN GAZA THE WAY I DO
I saw images of body parts of little children blown up in Gaza. I started sobbing. They took me straight to the times in Afghanistan conflict when our
(and other people's) loved ones would be returned in bags but only their body parts.
It's the most horrific feeling when you see little feet and clothes in person, I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Those who won't oppose the violence could do with imagining their loved ones in those bags to feel what people are going through.
More violence is not the answer to violence.
I JUST CAN’T COMPREHEND THAT SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY THINK THIS IS A BAD THING
Thousands of people at the Israel demo last week. There’s probably 10% Jews to Muslims in this country if that. Dwarfed in size by the Palestine rallies but rallies are what Islamists do plus many on the Left who love a cause celebre.
Most British people are fairly apathetic about the whole thing, though with a healthy distaste for terrorist sympathisers, especially those who take over Central London. Worldwide you are not going to find many non-Muslims wandering around the streets waving Palestinian flags.
Everyone knows the left hates Israel and has done since the Soviets started feeding the narrative in the late 60s. Socialist Worker and the unions have been as preposterous as ever this time around
inakkur7
in the uk parts of the hard left started supporting palestine (and by extension opposing israeli policy) in the 90s - prior 2 that socialism was generally pro-israeli.
even then it’s only been a handful of extremists on the left
the right has traditionally been the hotbed of antisemitism. and the tozzas continue 2 have their moments eg “cultural marxism” but they’ve deflected, enabled by corbyn and his abhorrent bunch
the difference is the right tend 2 b islamophobic even more and so in their internal battle of the phobias…
I don't think people are massively bothered Bertha, largely because (i) Jews are a privileged white race who run the world and are settler-colonialists; (ii) a little bit of violent harrassment pales into insignificance compared to the horrors that the Jews have inflicted on a proud, indigenous people for 70 years.
The wonderful irony of all the current anti-Semitism is that it will increase immigration to Israel and reinforce its rationale for existence.
Most British people are fairly apathetic about the whole thing, though with a healthy distaste for terrorist sympathisers, especially those who take over Central London. Worldwide you are not going to find many non-Muslims wandering around the streets waving Palestinian flags. +
Pretend what you want, but most British people have moral standards they judge others by, and currently Israel is not meeting them. A military operation clearly aimed at Hamas would have had widespread support, regardless of inevitable civilian casualties (it certainly still has my support, good luck to the brave troops on the ground). Israel taking the opportunity also to wreck savage revenge directly on Palestinian civilians because it makes their right wing extremists feel good will not. All the 'you're antisemitic' and 'but some Palestinians started it, look at some pictures from a month ago' whining will not be enough to hide you.
would you like us all to take a leaf out of your book and post pointlessly how beyond our comprehension it is and how it will never be solved? and how we should all watch difficult television programmes about it? I always feel those posts of yours add terrific value
For the first time in my life I cried at news footage this morning. On Twitter, possibly not on traditional channels.
WARNING: NSFL
Three children are on the floor, probably of a hospital. Doctors (or somebody) are feverishly working on one who is almost out of shot. The camera panned to the face of the girl next to her: her face was motionless, one might almost thing emotionless - except it was fixed in a rictus of pain.
Then the camera panned down her little body until you could see there's something wrong with her knee, and finally the jagged and bleeding edge of her femur of which several inches are sticking out of her thigh.
I don't know what to do with this. It keeps popping into my head.
The "From the River to the sea" thing is getting even messier as other factions adopt it (just like BLM did). The deeply unpleasant israeli settler used it when interviewed on the Today programme last week. It has its own meaning for him.
That’s horrific benj. Lots of really harrowing images are coming out of there, it was the poor man with his child’s body parts in two plastic bags that got me.
Why is everyone shit scared of “from the river to the sea?” Get a grip for goodness sake, it’s Israel that has violently expanded way beyond its internationally recognised borders, yet you’re scared of a resistance chant from a disenfranchised and oppressed people. Look at the reality on the ground!
Honeybun if the phrase doesn’t mean a Palestinian state from the banks of the River Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea, which would mean the state of Israel being wiped out, what does it mean?
Has anyone actually listened to the Andy McDonald speech? It's not hard to see where his sympathies lie on this issue, but the way he used the phrase "between the river and the sea" can hardly be said to be invoking genocide, "literally" or otherwise. The speech is on his Twitter feed. His statement is pasted below.
The one thing that is not helpful in the Israel/Palestine issue is the lack of nuance. Once again it is absent here.
His idea of a two-state solution may be very different to something that might be realistic, but he is explicitly NOT talking about the eradication of the state of Israel.
but the way he used the phrase "between the river and the sea" can hardly be said to be invoking genocide, "literally" or otherwise.
He is trying to cleanse a phrase chanted by a hundred thousand racists to hide the obvious meaning. Would you ever say Work Makes You Free on a recruiting poster?
He is trying to cleanse a phrase chanted by a hundred thousand racists to hide the obvious meaning. Would you ever say Work Makes You Free on a recruiting poster?
He is not trying to hide its meaning. He is saying something completely different.
Your comparison to arbeit macht frei is as fatuous as it is tasteless. There are a lot of hot heads about on this issue at the moment. making yourself another one by saying things like this is foolish.
Diane Abbott deserved to be slung out of Labour for what she said, as of course did Corbyn. I don't agree with Andy McDonald's views on pretty much anything, but there is a deliberate overreaction here by Labour leadership to make a point. That may be tactically astute on their part, but that doesn't make it warranted on its merits.
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Isn't that how Hitler started? Big marches against Jews?
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It’s a pro-palestinian march dude, not an anti-Jewish-people one.
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With honeybun on this one. Yes there are bound to be some anti-semites present but the vast majority are likely to be there to show support for the Palestinian civilians who are dying by the hundred.
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"from the river to sea" isn't about peace
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All Lives Matter.
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From the river to the sea is about liberation from Ir@el once and for all
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They need to free themselves from the curse of Hamas and its evil puppet master.
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Q.
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The evil puppet master is Netanyahu who actually funded Hamas in 2019!
The Palestinians are desperate people. When you create the awful conditions that the Palestinians have been subjected to for decades by Isr@el it creates the Hamas' of the world. You don't need a genius to figure that out and that is why the state terrorism by Isr@el will never work
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Israel should've begged forgiveness instead of permission and finished this two weeks ago.
But it's not really my business just as it's not the business of the ghouls having a wee march l.
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What will be the next world disaster about which the good citizens of Rof profess expertise??
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Israel is not asking "permission" as far as I can see.
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Cookie, you literally perpetually insinuate you're a long suffering expert in things when you're just a dude with a library card.
Chimp - the wait was the permission bit.
Now any connection with the original purpose is too drawn out.
Maybe now they claim to have killed the leader they'll stop but then what.
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Er, really. They couldn't have just immediately gone in - they needed to prepare.
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"then what" indeed. They don't have a good plan or way out as far as I can see.
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So give them one!
Oh wait u can't not can any of the flag fannies
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*nor
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Stick to telling people what they can’t do with their money.
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Eh?
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The idea that "Israel shouldn't have held back!!!" is completely fooking nuts. Look at what they're doing. What more do you think they could actually realistically do?
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They could have done an immediate reaction then be finished with it now.
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Yeh that’s right chimp what the fook do you know about medicine anyway????
sorry
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“Done an immediate reaction” - what does this mean exactly? More bombs? Will that get rid of Hamas? Want to hear more from the new experts.
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They are of course allowed to engage in peaceful protest
I do find it quite odd that there is no pro peace in Israel or even joint peace protest - not many Israeli flags at the protest
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"done an immediate reaction" - what do you have in mind?
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I don't think she's being serious
Just been on the sauce again
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They…they did do a larger number of ‘immediate actions’, hence the calls for a ceasefire.
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no even more immediate. an action so immediate that they would be finished with it now. what could this mean? the mind boggles
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Nuking
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I’m still flabbergasted by the notion that incessantly bombing a civilian population before a ground invasion where they have now declared Gaza a battlefield is ‘asking permission’.
These people have the vote.
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I suspect that even clergs realises what a disastrous hole she has dug herself into this time, but the "you're just a dude with a library card" dig was worth reading the thread for.
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She's absolutely hammered
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Fully support this march to protest the disgusting oppression of the palestinian people, as should anyone with any morals. Good guide to Who’s a Secret C.unt, this issue.
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“Cookie, you literally perpetually insinuate you're a long suffering expert in things when you're just a dude with a library card.”
This is bang on the nose from clergs tbf
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The cause is just. The march is a front. As indeed the OP demonstrated. "Respect." "From the river to the sea".
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Many of the brexity people now calling for pro palestine marches to be "dealt with" were hand waving the BNP clowns away as a tiny minority of pro-Brexit demonstrators.
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https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1718327585313087622
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I mean Israel either renders every Israeli who doesn't have dual citizenship a stateless refugee at extreme risk of murder or
What?
There's no compromise position
Quite literally kill or be killed
What would you do?
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it doesn't do that.
Didn't need bilbo baggins to solve that riddle eh?
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Hamas won't stop killing Israelis until Israel no longer exists.
So what would you do?
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There's no smirking aloof option. You accept your own people dead or you kill the other ones.
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You've done the Hamas equals all Palestinians fallacy so I don't need to bother answering. Please re-frame in a way that reflects reality.
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Some of you are just so stupid, racist, vile, fools. Just shameless. Thousands upon thousands are dying before our eyes and you trivialise it.
Those fckuers have cut all communication even to aid agencies -hmmm I wonder why -so they commit atrocities so the world cannot see.
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Yeah, tbf you can’t really accuse Hamas of trying to hide their attrocities, can you? They publish videos of them with apparent pride.
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When Labour get in, I am not really bothered if they want to rejoin the EU.
I'm more worried that they will want to join Hamas
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Nobody (as I see it) is condoning Netanyahu. The man is a bigot, a cretin, a power-mad short-termist self-preservationist who would throw his religion and his people under the bus to save his own skin. Half of the people of Israel have always seen that; the other half is beginning to.
That though is being used as an excuse for racists to come out in their hundreds of thousands to demand the completion of the Holocaust.
Short of banning all religions, I can't see a way around the paradox of Hamas not resting until every Jew is dead, and Israel not being able to eliminate Hamas without also eliminating thousands of Palestinians.
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Well, hamas was formed in 1987 but Palestine has been committing terrorist attacks in Israel since 1952 so
Not sure getting rid of hamas (even if that were possible and we should all be scared of the global implications of their thriving) solves the problem.
It doesn't matter if all Palestinians hate Israel or not (although I am pretty certain they must). Enough do that Israel can never peacefully co exist with it.
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Until recently, tens of thousands of Gaza citizens crossed into Israel for work on a daily basis.
Palestinian civilians in the West Bank have lived in relative peace with Israel since the PLO were kicked out.
The only people who can get rid of Hamas in a peaceful way are the Gaza civilians.
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so...
sorry I am waiting for a brilliant point. There were terrorists in 1952 so the Palestinians are eligible to be massacred in 2023? Is that your point?
Really confused here as to how you are justifying your calls to exterminate Palestinians because *shrug* no choice they are all vermin?
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’Nobody (as I see it) is condoning Netanyahu.’
Pay more attention then. Very Fine People are doing it on this thread.
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So. Much. Clever.
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The left hate israel
the right support israel
For the bored west this is just another chapter in the culture wars
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Agree with runnersknee - another complex issue where people refuse to accept any form of nuance or questioning.
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The march was every bit about peace
Lies on the front covers of today’s right wing press include:
JIHADI DEMO LEADER IS NHS GP - there was no “jihadi demo” fyi
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also the left plainly do not hate Israel I hope this clarifies
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Yes- on the basis most people are reasonably intelligent, they do in fact see nuance. The left hating Israel is nonsense.
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Quite a few hamas flags
Strange the peace loving protestors didn't ask them to refrain from that
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Everyone knows the left hates Israel and has done since the Soviets started feeding the narrative in the late 60s. Socialist Worker and the unions have been as preposterous as ever this time around.
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"quite a few Hamas flags", lol, you need to get your head checked and stop reading the Daily mail bile.
How many people isr@eli support marches - like 3 people?!
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How many people attend*
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What does Workie do now to reassure the nation?
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I can use my eyes
Not many attend Israeli marches. Most too scared to do it in public for fear of violence against them.
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there was no jihadi demo
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Davos — are you on solid ground for once?
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I JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DON’T ENJOY WATCHING WHAT’S HAPPENING IN GAZA THE WAY I DO
I JUST CAN’T COMPREHEND THAT SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY THINK THIS IS A BAD THING
https://x.com/drwaheedarian/status/1718690145933664373?s=46
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Thousands of people at the Israel demo last week. There’s probably 10% Jews to Muslims in this country if that. Dwarfed in size by the Palestine rallies but rallies are what Islamists do plus many on the Left who love a cause celebre.
Most British people are fairly apathetic about the whole thing, though with a healthy distaste for terrorist sympathisers, especially those who take over Central London. Worldwide you are not going to find many non-Muslims wandering around the streets waving Palestinian flags.
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the palestinian peace demonstration was not “islamist”
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Will these marches have any effect on government policy on Gaza? No
How long will it take Israel to raze Gaza? Days
Will the neighbouring states act? You’d better hope not.
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This is as true or untrue - and just as meaningless - as the statement that
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inakkur7
in the uk parts of the hard left started supporting palestine (and by extension opposing israeli policy) in the 90s - prior 2 that socialism was generally pro-israeli.
even then it’s only been a handful of extremists on the left
the right has traditionally been the hotbed of antisemitism. and the tozzas continue 2 have their moments eg “cultural marxism” but they’ve deflected, enabled by corbyn and his abhorrent bunch
the difference is the right tend 2 b islamophobic even more and so in their internal battle of the phobias…
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Oh it’s kicking off in Russia, what a surprise
Anti-Israel mob storms Dagestan airport in Russia https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67258332
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Nobody concerned by this ^^^ ?
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It’s beyond our comprehension m7
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I don't think people are massively bothered Bertha, largely because (i) Jews are a privileged white race who run the world and are settler-colonialists; (ii) a little bit of violent harrassment pales into insignificance compared to the horrors that the Jews have inflicted on a proud, indigenous people for 70 years.
The wonderful irony of all the current anti-Semitism is that it will increase immigration to Israel and reinforce its rationale for existence.
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Pretend what you want, but most British people have moral standards they judge others by, and currently Israel is not meeting them. A military operation clearly aimed at Hamas would have had widespread support, regardless of inevitable civilian casualties (it certainly still has my support, good luck to the brave troops on the ground). Israel taking the opportunity also to wreck savage revenge directly on Palestinian civilians because it makes their right wing extremists feel good will not. All the 'you're antisemitic' and 'but some Palestinians started it, look at some pictures from a month ago' whining will not be enough to hide you.
The world is watching.
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yes people are concerned by it cooko
would you like us all to take a leaf out of your book and post pointlessly how beyond our comprehension it is and how it will never be solved? and how we should all watch difficult television programmes about it? I always feel those posts of yours add terrific value
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To be clear: no terrorist sympathisers took over central london
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Feel free to add your own value lax, as per.
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For the first time in my life I cried at news footage this morning. On Twitter, possibly not on traditional channels.
WARNING: NSFL
Three children are on the floor, probably of a hospital. Doctors (or somebody) are feverishly working on one who is almost out of shot. The camera panned to the face of the girl next to her: her face was motionless, one might almost thing emotionless - except it was fixed in a rictus of pain.
Then the camera panned down her little body until you could see there's something wrong with her knee, and finally the jagged and bleeding edge of her femur of which several inches are sticking out of her thigh.
I don't know what to do with this. It keeps popping into my head.
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The "From the River to the sea" thing is getting even messier as other factions adopt it (just like BLM did). The deeply unpleasant israeli settler used it when interviewed on the Today programme last week. It has its own meaning for him.
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I see 300,000 didn't turn up because they couldn't find a brolly at the last minute.
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That’s horrific benj. Lots of really harrowing images are coming out of there, it was the poor man with his child’s body parts in two plastic bags that got me.
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Re "From the Rover to the Sea"
Never Again UK on X: ""From the river to the sea" What does this chant mean Video Credit-Hapless on @prime . https://t.co/mXHfGmWMqA" / X (twitter.com)
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Why is everyone shit scared of “from the river to the sea?” Get a grip for goodness sake, it’s Israel that has violently expanded way beyond its internationally recognised borders, yet you’re scared of a resistance chant from a disenfranchised and oppressed people. Look at the reality on the ground!
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Benj that’s awful. Ceasefire now.
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Yes I wonder why Jewish people would be worried about chants that call for their extermination
Anyone got any ideas?
Anyone?
At the back?
You there sir?
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THE ANSWER IS TO EXTERMINATE THE INHABITANTS OF GAZA FIRST
NEVER AGAIN
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Andy McDonald suspended by Starmer over his "river to the sea" comment.
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Because it is literally calling for genocide.
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LITERALLY!!
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Lol x
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Honeybun if the phrase doesn’t mean a Palestinian state from the banks of the River Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea, which would mean the state of Israel being wiped out, what does it mean?
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Has anyone actually listened to the Andy McDonald speech? It's not hard to see where his sympathies lie on this issue, but the way he used the phrase "between the river and the sea" can hardly be said to be invoking genocide, "literally" or otherwise. The speech is on his Twitter feed. His statement is pasted below.
The one thing that is not helpful in the Israel/Palestine issue is the lack of nuance. Once again it is absent here.
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So he’s talking among a two-state solution, which every non-frother supports?
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Yep
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His idea of a two-state solution may be very different to something that might be realistic, but he is explicitly NOT talking about the eradication of the state of Israel.
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He is trying to cleanse a phrase chanted by a hundred thousand racists to hide the obvious meaning. Would you ever say Work Makes You Free on a recruiting poster?
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Just ask Ronnie
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He is not trying to hide its meaning. He is saying something completely different.
Your comparison to arbeit macht frei is as fatuous as it is tasteless. There are a lot of hot heads about on this issue at the moment. making yourself another one by saying things like this is foolish.
Diane Abbott deserved to be slung out of Labour for what she said, as of course did Corbyn. I don't agree with Andy McDonald's views on pretty much anything, but there is a deliberate overreaction here by Labour leadership to make a point. That may be tactically astute on their part, but that doesn't make it warranted on its merits.
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