Christ this thread is a total cùntfest. Could someone let me know as part of a couple who wanted kids but had a gazillion miscarriages before deciding to give up on having kids whether we were selfish cùnts for not flaying ourselves to death by not carrying on to have progeny or whether we we would have been selfish for wanting to perpetuate our own family and nature the next generation of them.
I'm really sorry for what you've been through Buzz, but that doesn't justify that description. You are not the only one who has been through pain, grief and trauma through your status as a parent or otherwise.
I think you may have misunderstood my, probably badly expressed point, Orwell. This daft idea that you are selfish if you don't have kids. Well where does that end? By flaying yourself if you wanted them but it didn't happen? Personally I think there's no selfishness in making a conscious decision not to add to an overpopulated world and adding to the consumption of ever limited resources but it takes a certain kind of weirdo to claim it's selfish to do so. When it's not voluntary it's irrelevant but it's just fùcking weird to suggest not having kids is either selfish or evidence of being selfish.
It's not. There is a reasonable objective debate to be had whether choosing to have children is innately selfish or selfless as an intellectual POV.
Separately from that, those of us, for whatever reason, who have chosen not to procreate, constantly get attacked us for our choice. We are derided and denigrated left, right and centre. There is no-one on this thread who has started discussions laying into prospective parents, but apparently its OK for others to kick us on a thread about our decisions in life.
I am genuinely sorry for what you have been through. I have loved ones who have been through the same, and It's heart-breaking. It's a pity you didn't have more outrage for those who called us selfish and shallow without having a fvcking clue why we have made our choices.
Thank goodness there are more people that want children than not. It's scary to think that in the space of 100 years or so the human species would be virtually extinct......
As mentioned in my above posts, some people who profess not to regret not having children probably never had the opportunity for whatever reason e.g. fertility issues, timed out as focused on career, too picky when young etc.
For such people "regret," or otherwise seems pretty non-applicable. It wasn't your choice. Regret implies some degree of personal agency.
I'm a bit late for this debate. I have two kids, now aged 28 and 25. It wasn't that bad, you adapt, remember the good bits, gloss over the difficult ones.
Its more about grand kids now for me. What do I do with them?
Threads like this require the continued existence of the childless in order to survive. It is possible therefore that they may in the longer term become extinct.
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My first tun and dub tun. Almost better than having kids.
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But not better than having no kids
Only kidding
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Clergs, it’s WHY YOU LITTLE
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Christ this thread is a total cùntfest. Could someone let me know as part of a couple who wanted kids but had a gazillion miscarriages before deciding to give up on having kids whether we were selfish cùnts for not flaying ourselves to death by not carrying on to have progeny or whether we we would have been selfish for wanting to perpetuate our own family and nature the next generation of them.
Christ on a fùcking stick.
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*nurture.
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I'm really sorry for what you've been through Buzz, but that doesn't justify that description. You are not the only one who has been through pain, grief and trauma through your status as a parent or otherwise.
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I think you may have misunderstood my, probably badly expressed point, Orwell. This daft idea that you are selfish if you don't have kids. Well where does that end? By flaying yourself if you wanted them but it didn't happen? Personally I think there's no selfishness in making a conscious decision not to add to an overpopulated world and adding to the consumption of ever limited resources but it takes a certain kind of weirdo to claim it's selfish to do so. When it's not voluntary it's irrelevant but it's just fùcking weird to suggest not having kids is either selfish or evidence of being selfish.
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It’s not selfish not to have kids, voluntary or otherwise, that’s a quite tired refrain.
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It's not. There is a reasonable objective debate to be had whether choosing to have children is innately selfish or selfless as an intellectual POV.
Separately from that, those of us, for whatever reason, who have chosen not to procreate, constantly get attacked us for our choice. We are derided and denigrated left, right and centre. There is no-one on this thread who has started discussions laying into prospective parents, but apparently its OK for others to kick us on a thread about our decisions in life.
I am genuinely sorry for what you have been through. I have loved ones who have been through the same, and It's heart-breaking. It's a pity you didn't have more outrage for those who called us selfish and shallow without having a fvcking clue why we have made our choices.
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And it's not selfish not to and its an equally tired refrain.
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Soz, misread.
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Amen
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What Orwell said. Again.
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That sounds horrendous Buzz. I am so sorry. Imo you and Mrs Buzz were brave to keep on trying - and brave to decide to stop.
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Thank goodness there are more people that want children than not. It's scary to think that in the space of 100 years or so the human species would be virtually extinct......
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As mentioned in my above posts, some people who profess not to regret not having children probably never had the opportunity for whatever reason e.g. fertility issues, timed out as focused on career, too picky when young etc.
For such people "regret," or otherwise seems pretty non-applicable. It wasn't your choice. Regret implies some degree of personal agency.
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E.g. I don't regret the weather
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BS seems to have his repeat function stuck on.
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Yep, as does whole thread. But glad my point has sunk in.
Selfishness debate is ridiculous.
Not selfless if didn't have choice.
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I'm a bit late for this debate. I have two kids, now aged 28 and 25. It wasn't that bad, you adapt, remember the good bits, gloss over the difficult ones.
Its more about grand kids now for me. What do I do with them?
I can just about remember how to change a nappy.
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