what a load of bollocks

obviously we can't stay we have to re-apply

and the krauts love a small, cheap nation but the Spanish will tell us to gt fooked

I wonder what hungary will make of it

??? while we COULD I agree we won't straight out of the gate

and I don't know if there will even be a political appetite to try

you seems to be v sure

why would the spanish tell you to get fooked? or hungary? why don't they tell the Balkan states to get fooked?

errr what currency question?

they will adopt the Euro innit

spain will tell us to get fooked because they hate independence movements and because we keep slagging them off over catalonia

no way castillians will back it

"obviously the scottish are welcome in the EU if they wanna stay"

fook me you are thick twot. 

DD - no, we would not adopt the euro

I think England and wales may well end up without NI and scotland

and why would you wanna stick with GBP?

and no, I am not a thick twot - there is a political will to have scotland in the EU

we would be better with an independent currency (if this hellish scenario came about) than beggared by the axis of evil

DD - If there is self determined independence for Scotland (no sign off from Westminster) and an acceptance and acknowledgement by the EU of said independence, what precedent would that set for Catalonia or Basque separatists? Ergo, Spain would hardly be jumping over themselves to agree to accession...

a) which hellish scenario do you mean? being part of no deal Singapore Britain or being part of the EU?

b) who is the axis of evil?

Yes m4 you are a very thick twot. 

1 - Scotland does not want the Euro.

2 - several EU states would block it. 

3 - THEY DONT FIT THE RULES TO JOIN. 

4 - You are thick twot. 

hth

if they tried UDI there would be literal civil war

germany and Austria are the axis of evil

being an independent wet tissue paper nation bobbing in the north sea would be hellish

yeash it's true you would have to re-apply

the EU stated that in the case of catalonian independence they would be a third country

so sturgeon wants an indy ref and in case of independence she does not want to become an EU member? or EEA?

spain will tell us to get fooked because they hate independence movements and because we keep slagging them off over catalonia

That's not what it says in the Spanish press.

Just Joey face

??? yeah that's what I meant

ach we need to change the unanimity rule to a 2/3 majority rule RE council decisions

she is fudging it

the SNP won't offer a firm position because they know views are split

1/3 of voters in Scotland chose leave based on CURRENT arrangements, imagine how we will feel without the UK vetos and possibly with the euro

there's a lot of ill-feeling towards the EU for its "neoliberal" fiscal policies

MAYbe but independence would be insufferable it is so cold here already

I mean, it's not going to make the weather any worse.

well, you do as you please

albeit I do not understand the current sentence: "1/3 of voters in Scotland chose leave based on CURRENT arrangements, imagine how we will feel without the UK vetos and possibly with the euro"

without which UK Vetos and who says the euro is bad for you (apart from brexiters)? I just went to slovenia, they are 3 million citizens and have the euro and do v well

and clergs - what does sturgeon do in berlin in your opinion?

slovenia is  a 3rd world shithole. 

hth

errr absolutely not? I've just been, it's ace

have you ever been? do you know where it is?

economically, Slovenia is akin to austria

the slovenians are a prime example of a small country that has massively benefitted from EU membership and Euro

wibble - I'm waiting

why don't you fook off? you're not even a lawyer

it did. they had squirmishes with croatia in 1991, a bit of shooting and tanks facing each other off

other than that it was EU membership that made Slovenia what it s today - a well to do nation

cheesie, that is very much true

the only thing more pathetic than being a lawyer is being support staff, or a receptionist in a law firm

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slovenia is  a 3rd world shithole. 

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I am loving this post - it encompasses the whole spirit of brexit Britain. lack of knowledge combined with ultra arrogance. we will see where this attitude will take you. little hint - I know where it will take you. wanna know?

I would go for the whole shebang - republic, EU and Euro etc.  Purely to annoy people I dislike.

Krankie wants to stay in the EU whilst campaigning to become an independent nation which will mean that they leave it by default if she wins Indy Ref 2.  

Scotland is not an economically viable country and will probably be stuffed in 5 years as a free-standing entity.  

I really don't understand why any sane and sober Scot would vote leave in Indy Ref 2.  Oh wait a sec...I think I have answered my own question.  

The pro-independence vote would fall substantially if the UK were to remain in the EU.  

Spaniards banged those Catalans up for "rebellion"

an excellent Franco legal doctrine which we could do well to have here

That worked well in Northern Ireland

Franco was also a bit of a w@nk.

Saved Western civilization 

Was firm with communists 

If that idiotic Jock QC in the SC is representative of the Scottish Establishment, then they are rightly royally  fecked in any sort of independence.

Bunch of jokers, have survived for many a long year on the Barnet hand-out.

If they had to pay their own way they would be grovelling to the IMF within 18 months.

Only 15,000 Scotch pay tax exceeding welfare benefits received 

Exactly the opposite. Pedro Sanchez said a couple of years ago that Spain would not object to the re-admittance of an independent Scotland to the EU in short order. There is some mutual feeling between Catalan and Scottish nationalists but I consider Sanchez´s priority if to fvck over the English. As I am sure you know there are (now weak) links between Scotland and France and Spain. They have a common historical opponent. 

The Catalan nationalists are pretty useless so I doubt that Madrid or other regions now consider them much of  a threat. Almost all the people I know who live in Catalonia (granted, not a huge number, about eight) loath the Catalan nationalists.

The only one who has some sympathy was born in England of Scottish parents and was taken there when he was about 2 years old. He was raised and educated there; in Catalan (at school then graduate degree and post-graduate degree from the University of Barcelona.) In fact, anecdotally, most of the rest of the Spaniards I know (mostly from Cantabria and Asturias, Murcia and Valencia and even the Basque Country) seem to have taken, to effect, the view ´if they want independence they can have it; just get the fvck out´ But the Catalans know that if that happens the ´new country´is fvcked. They will have a harder Catalexit from its major trading partners (Spain and France) than anything promised by Brexit.

Clear example. At the time of the 2015 regional elections the Catalan nationalist coalition  (Junts pel Si) said that if it won the election they would hold a referendum within 2 years. Which happened in 2017. They also said that if the referendum was in favour of independence it would declare independence immediately. Well, they won the election and they held the referendum (illegally, by the way, for reasons I can expand upon.) Did they declare? No. They had two years and did not even set up the most basic organisations of a functioning independent state. Not even a central bank. 

Despite its supposed wealth, the Catalan region has had to desperately plead for credit from Madrid over the last decade or more in order to maintain its governmental functions. A few years ago it reported that it was within weeks of being unable to pay civil servants´ (including teachers and health workers) salaries. So a bunch of corrupt jokers.