like everything else in this godforsaken programme it is creepy as all fvck

Its clearly some evil trap to defeat Sherlock isn't it?

It’s all very Thorn Birds except the priest is actually hot

(actually Richard Chamberlain is gay too)

i haven’t had such a crush on a tv character since Jamie Fraser

Fleabag:  good writing, great acting and horrible, horrible people.  No fanks.  

I am with the Telegraph. It's awful, he overstepped the mark and I think it's demonstrative of the fact that nearly all of her relationships are broken in some way and the good one she had, she destroyed. I really like the character but she doesn't half self-sabotage in a major way.

That's the whole point of the character though. And it's how plenty of people behave. That's why it's so uncomfortable.

I only know one person who is like her and I do not enjoy watching that person either

I was sopping from the first time he said kneel

but I was quite disappointed that it happened. I wanted her to have one none sex based relationship

What cookie said.  Of course he 'overstepped the mark'. The character is a catholic priest who got a non-catholic into the confessional then told her to get on her knees before nipping round to the other side to get off with her! 

The point is people are complicated and flawed and hurting (and quite often drunk) and all that jazz and it makes them somewhat abusive.  The more uncomfortable point is that we often find people behaving in a way that reflects them being complicated and flawed and hurting (and somewhat abusive?) sexy. 

Incidentally while I am enjoying the new series there are two issues with it:

1. Fleabag is too consistently sympathetic this time around. The really interesting thing about the first series was how it made you like her and then reminded you what a truly fvcking awful person she was and then made you like her (or at least sympathize with her) again (I suspect PWB is just playing a slightly longer game this time). 

2. It's really not funny any more.  The first one was properly funny at times. This isn't. 

I thought the whole point is that she is lusting after the unattainable and unachievable- if he decides to give up the cloth she will run a mile.

"The point is people are complicated and flawed and hurting (and quite often drunk) and all that jazz and it makes them somewhat abusive."

No. This is rationalisation of something that is not acceptable.

It's not a rationalisation or an excuse (and in any event its fiction!) its an explanation.  

Heh at Phoebe

it’s not as funny but that’s not why I love it

properly lol-ed at Olivia Colman this week though

it is acceptance of something as "the norm" rather than completely unacceptable behaviour that should be treated with disgust

I really don't know how anyone can enjoy this pageant of auntery

Wait what? Richard Chamberlain is gay?

Totally gay Tecco

he only came out relatively recently though

Totally gay Tecco

he only came out relatively recently though

Freddie Mercury too I heard the other day.

Is no one safe?

Oops at double post soz

I thought Freddie was just happy

Ok I need to keep this a secret from my mum.

Strutter: you may mock but I had no idea (shows how innocent I was) that Freddie Mercury was gay until after his death.

Never change tecco

One imagines the probabilities of your Mum getting the chance to come full-on to Richard Chamberlain only to be knocked back by him revealing he's flattered but actually really rather prefers the c0ck are pretty slim, Tec.

And contrary to wot strutter sed, change those boxers. They're disgusting, need a wash and will give you absolutely no chance for second knockings once Richard has blown out your Mum.

Heh

tbf as a young innocent in the 80s I had no idea about George Michael, or Boy George and Jon Moss until much later

i probably didn’t realise about Freddie at the time either 

Oh, Queenie.

I'm afraid we have some shocking news about Jimmy Somerville and Marc Almond for you too.

At the height of Wham George was shagging women lots

was totally shocked about Jon Moss though (clearly not about George) 

Did you never hear Jon Moss speak??

Can you brace yourself for a potentially disconcerting Chambo update?

Why, was his bisexuality clear from the way he spoke?!?!

Yes that’s always a giveaway 

ffs

No - I think that was just the leftover Yorkshire accent, but your conclusion is perfectly understandable, Queenie.

Can I just say that I have now found a VPN service that works, and so I have finally caught up on the second series of Fleabag.m

it’s not as funny as it used to be. 

I also don’t get the hot vicar. It’s a short bloke in a dress?

I'm afraid we have some shocking news about Jimmy Somerville and Marc Almond for you too.

Have you seen what Marc has done to his face?!?! So awful. I do enjoy his version of Say Hello, Wave Goodbye, though.

The point is people are complicated

I think your explanation could have stopped here. People are complex and do stupid things. And that's basically the crux of Fleabag. I wonder how she's going to wrap this series up...

I misread this as: - 

I'm afraid we have some shocking news about Jimmy Saville.

It’s both, I think- we see it from Fleabag’s perspective and for her it’s obviously sexy but it’s also exploitative. She’s destroyed by guilt and grief, he’s an alcoholic narcissist with no boundaries. Match made in heaven. 

sounds more like many a match made on rof TBH

Can't believe I am debating the ethics of characters from a comedy off of the telly but why is it exploitative of fleabag (by him) but not of him (by her). 

Interesting characterization of victim and exploiter...

heh @ wibble by the way.