I was obsessed with Suede as a teen in the 90s, right through to Coming Up. Like most though, I was disappointed by Head Music and gave up with them after. I have enjoyed listening to their stuff since they reunited, especially bloodsports, but less the last two. I'm not a teenage anymore and there is only so much angst I can take.
The first album was awesome and Andersen had proper rock star raw energy. One of the best gigs I have ever been to was them in a small venue in the ar8e end of nowhere in (I think) 1993.
They sort of disappeared up their own ar8ses too much for me as time went on though.
They were properly awesome and anyone who thinks differently smells of egg.
DMS is an odd album to cite as their greatest as it was widely perceived as almost the classic Difficult Second Album at the time, and as with most bands I’d still say their first album is their best - your first album is usually the best, as is your first hit single, because those are the ones that break through the crowd to get you attention, the ones that have fame in their own right absent your later-established reputation.
If I were only allowed to listen to five songs during the rest of my life, Animal Nitrate - their breakthrough, and of course therefore their best, single - would be one of them.
anderson in his day was brilliant, a proper star in a way nobody else in britpop except pooooosibly Liam Gallagher could rival
Albarn and Blur can fvck off. I never really liked them at the time and everyone in that band, except Dave the Drummer, was a aunt. Never saw their breakthrough appeal - some good singles sure, and the later stuff they did after they’d almost stopped being famous, like 13, was often decent - but the albums they put out at the height of their fame absolutely stink. Parklife is unedited dross full of fifty percent more tracks than anyone needs a d most of them poorly executed b-sides, and how the hell Oasis get stuck for Be Here Now when The Great Escape exists is beyond me. Anyway the best britpop album is His and Hers by Pulp and if you’re thinking of disagreeing don’t bother, you have been anticipated-denied in a advance chz. p.s. I’d still fook Louise Wener.
They did not take off pre-Blur. Blur's Leisure album(which included top ten hit There's No Other Way) had already gone gold a year before Suede was even recorded.
Bernard Butler had left before Britpop got going. He apparently hated the production of Dog Man Star so much that he said either we sack the producer or I leave. The rest of the band sided with the producer, which must be one of the worst decisions in the history of pop music, given that the guitar playing is what made Suede great.
The critics panned Dog Man Star at the time, but it’s better than the first album. The singles are better from album 1, but DMS is a much better album overall IMHO.
The first CD from Sci-Fi lullabies is actually better than any proper Suede album, but the second CD (all Richard Oakes b-sides) is f0cking dire.
Butler is probably a dickhead, judging by the prima donna way he acted, but yes his guitar playing is absolutely the core of their early sound; it took them a while to recover and they never hit the same heights again, although the Film Star era stuff is pretty damned good. I’ll give DMS another chance but I’m not promising anything guys.
Also, when Suede did a series of gigs about 10 years ago where they just played the songs off 1album at each gig, from memory the DMS gig sold out immediately, way faster than the others.
Didn’t fancy paying actual money to listen to ‘Head Music’ live.
O ginger chum some of us hung out with these people. Possibly we’re better placed to comment on what was what and what wasn’t than, well, the likes of you. HTH.
Didn't remember the critics panning Dog Man Star. NME gave it 9. Although this may well be because they were luke warm about the first album and felt daft.
Anyway, gr7 band. And their recent stuff, particularly Night Thoughts is genuinely up there with the best of it.
er, no, cookie, pretending to have hung out with the relevant twots in the early 90s makes you the exact oppsoite of well placed to comment objectively, HTH
I hung out with Finlay Quaye at the Good Mixer. Our pool series stands in my favour.
and kind of with amy w at the Hawley although it must be said that I was just a regular at the pub while my big m8 tried and failed to gain entry to her no doubt surprisingly blousy knicks
Might be right that NME gave DMS a 9 (dunno), but when 'Coming Up' was coming out, all the music journos hailed it as a return to form after the 'overblown mess' of DMS.
Coming Up wasn't bad, but it was the start of the decline.
That’s exactly it. It feels like it was squeezed out like a recalcitrant turd. Like the second Stone Roses studio album. Be Here Now in the other hand sounds like it was sprayed out diahretically and then run over by a coke dealer’s range rover.
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Dog Man Star is one of the best albums of the mid 90s. But Suede weren’t ‘Brit pop’ in any meaningful sense.
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No, they were shite hth
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I was obsessed with Suede as a teen in the 90s, right through to Coming Up. Like most though, I was disappointed by Head Music and gave up with them after. I have enjoyed listening to their stuff since they reunited, especially bloodsports, but less the last two. I'm not a teenage anymore and there is only so much angst I can take.
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Heh Dog Man Star is the one even Suede thought was garbage tbh.
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Amits- you laughably think that suede were britpop, so of course you would dislike dog man star.
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Suade were for southerners or empty teens who couldn’t get a girlfriend/ boyfriend.
Tbf round our way no one listened to anyone who wasn’t born or formed locally and there was a lot to choose.
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*emo teens
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* round are way
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They appealed to young gay suburban teens trapped in red box new builds on the outskirts of Weston-Super-Mare (i.e. me)
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The first album was awesome and Andersen had proper rock star raw energy. One of the best gigs I have ever been to was them in a small venue in the ar8e end of nowhere in (I think) 1993.
They sort of disappeared up their own ar8ses too much for me as time went on though.
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They were properly awesome and anyone who thinks differently smells of egg.
DMS is an odd album to cite as their greatest as it was widely perceived as almost the classic Difficult Second Album at the time, and as with most bands I’d still say their first album is their best - your first album is usually the best, as is your first hit single, because those are the ones that break through the crowd to get you attention, the ones that have fame in their own right absent your later-established reputation.
If I were only allowed to listen to five songs during the rest of my life, Animal Nitrate - their breakthrough, and of course therefore their best, single - would be one of them.
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They took off pre Blur and were NOT britpop. But they were basically shit as soon as Bernard left, sorry.
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anderson in his day was brilliant, a proper star in a way nobody else in britpop except pooooosibly Liam Gallagher could rival
Albarn and Blur can fvck off. I never really liked them at the time and everyone in that band, except Dave the Drummer, was a aunt. Never saw their breakthrough appeal - some good singles sure, and the later stuff they did after they’d almost stopped being famous, like 13, was often decent - but the albums they put out at the height of their fame absolutely stink. Parklife is unedited dross full of fifty percent more tracks than anyone needs a d most of them poorly executed b-sides, and how the hell Oasis get stuck for Be Here Now when The Great Escape exists is beyond me. Anyway the best britpop album is His and Hers by Pulp and if you’re thinking of disagreeing don’t bother, you have been anticipated-denied in a advance chz. p.s. I’d still fook Louise Wener.
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“pre Blur” does not mean “not britpop”, hope this clarifies p.s. shouldn’t you be talking about New Wave old man,
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The best song on Suede is actually The Drowners (which was also their first single).
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It doesn’t matter what was their first single.
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They did not take off pre-Blur. Blur's Leisure album (which included top ten hit There's No Other Way) had already gone gold a year before Suede was even recorded.
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Bernard Butler had left before Britpop got going. He apparently hated the production of Dog Man Star so much that he said either we sack the producer or I leave. The rest of the band sided with the producer, which must be one of the worst decisions in the history of pop music, given that the guitar playing is what made Suede great.
The critics panned Dog Man Star at the time, but it’s better than the first album. The singles are better from album 1, but DMS is a much better album overall IMHO.
The first CD from Sci-Fi lullabies is actually better than any proper Suede album, but the second CD (all Richard Oakes b-sides) is f0cking dire.
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Butler is probably a dickhead, judging by the prima donna way he acted, but yes his guitar playing is absolutely the core of their early sound; it took them a while to recover and they never hit the same heights again, although the Film Star era stuff is pretty damned good. I’ll give DMS another chance but I’m not promising anything guys.
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Also, when Suede did a series of gigs about 10 years ago where they just played the songs off 1album at each gig, from memory the DMS gig sold out immediately, way faster than the others.
Didn’t fancy paying actual money to listen to ‘Head Music’ live.
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I had high hopes for the Tears when Anderson got back together with Butler, but they were disappointingly sh1te.
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O ginger chum some of us hung out with these people. Possibly we’re better placed to comment on what was what and what wasn’t than, well, the likes of you. HTH.
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"some of us hung out with these people"
Yes course you did
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Heh. Classic rof.
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Didn't remember the critics panning Dog Man Star. NME gave it 9. Although this may well be because they were luke warm about the first album and felt daft.
Anyway, gr7 band. And their recent stuff, particularly Night Thoughts is genuinely up there with the best of it.
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I used to rehearse at the same studio as Suede (post-Bernard). Never hung out with them, though. They seemed quite aloof. The first 2 albums are ace.
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er, no, cookie, pretending to have hung out with the relevant twots in the early 90s makes you the exact oppsoite of well placed to comment objectively, HTH
I hung out with Finlay Quaye at the Good Mixer. Our pool series stands in my favour.
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and kind of with amy w at the Hawley although it must be said that I was just a regular at the pub while my big m8 tried and failed to gain entry to her no doubt surprisingly blousy knicks
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Keep going laz, you must be nearly there by now.
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Ha. And you should hope you’re not so fat you’ll make old bones too.
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‘Didn't remember the critics panning Dog Man Star. NME gave it 9.‘
it was hailed as a masterpiece. Even more so now. Some people self-owning big time here.
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Couldn’t agree more with Laz’s Louise wener comment tho.
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Might be right that NME gave DMS a 9 (dunno), but when 'Coming Up' was coming out, all the music journos hailed it as a return to form after the 'overblown mess' of DMS.
Coming Up wasn't bad, but it was the start of the decline.
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Just listened to DMS
It’s shite HTH
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overproduced bollocks with not a single tune you want to sing in the shower
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That’s exactly it. It feels like it was squeezed out like a recalcitrant turd. Like the second Stone Roses studio album. Be Here Now in the other hand sounds like it was sprayed out diahretically and then run over by a coke dealer’s range rover.
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Second Coming is also vastly underrated HTH
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Second coming is very good. Even the nonsense on track 99 or wherever is listenable.
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Didn't like the latest though (Night Thoughts)--a bit too bombastic and self-important.
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The decline started when Ricky Gervais stopped managing them: https://www.getreading.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife-news/time-ricky-g…
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