It’s all part of an organised PR campaign by the military establishment to get more money to build their empires with.
Anyone else watch the simpering interview tonight on Sky with Retd. Admiral West? Clearly the old boy had been wheeled out to trot out the same ridiculous narrative about ‘imminent war’.
The Russki military machine is frankly completely knackered, and the very notion that it would seek now or even in the next 10 years to invade any NATO country is just complete nonsense.
Given their difficulties in Ukraine, how on earth could Russia hope to invade Finland, Poland etc? They wouldn’t have a hope in hell in a conventional war. And if they turn to nukes then there’s no point in conscription anyway.
There will be no land war in europe involving Nato vs Russia or allies - whilst you are worried about conscription you and almost everyone else north of equator is blown to bits if that war kicks off. As above this is very standard drum banging by a general who has form.
the MSM told us Russian would roll over Ukraine in 3 days
arguably, Russia has already been defeated, it's been utterly humiliated by a tiny neighbour which is probably why it is desperately trying to pretend it is fighting Nato every chance it's dodder old elites get
We won't be fighting anyone ourselves but we very much should be re-starting military manufacturing at scale to supply Ukraine and the countries that have and will give their stuff to Ukraine. We can't rely on a USA beholden to the corrupt GOP and the idiotic Jake Sullivan.
on the upside, it's going to be fun when they realise that all this America first! nato is shit! stuff has the result of Germany, Italy and Poland deciding to start nuclear weapons programs because Russia is retarded
on the upside, it's going to be fun when they realise that all this America first! nato is shit! stuff has the result of Germany, Italy and Poland deciding to start nuclear weapons programs because Russia is retarded
Doubt this (we and the frogs can provide the nuclear deterrent) but the yanks probably wouldn't love it if Europeans starts building their own weapons and ammunition instead of buying from US manufacturers.
They are allied with China and my money says their nukes work
Given the recent stories about the rampant corruption including the propellant in their missiles being stolen and replaced with water then perhaps not.
We've cut the military so much we barely have an army at this point. We certainly do not have a navy - we can't crew what ships we have, and can barely send them out because the entire auxiliary has been mothballed. The extent to which the Tories have completely dismantled the armed forces is under-appreciated I think.
The idea that conscription is the answer is laughable though.
pancakes I think the dismantling of the military has escaped attention because people are more concerned with the collapse of health education and social services tbh...
Be good for the young to have some disclipline instilled in them and do something useful. Says boomer who has never fought in a war and worst setback was having to use a candle occasionally and having no TV at night and high interest rates for a bit.
Fortunately this will not come to pass. The worst people to make decisions about the likelihood of war and war preparedness are ex military types.
national service was the making of some people but was a living nightmare for others. Universal national service is a mistake but there may be an argument for compulsory draft for healthy individuals who are not otherwise or employed or in education between the ages of 16 and 21 (although not to be front line unless they choose to transfer over the military proper)
Given the recent stories about the rampant corruption including the propellant in their missiles being stolen and replaced with water then perhaps not.
Be good for the young to have some disclipline instilled in them and do something useful. Says boomer who has never fought in a war and worst setback was having to use a candle occasionally and having no TV at night and high interest rates for a bit.
Didn't the gammon brigade say much the same thing about Brexit? Young people have it too easy these days (pre-2016) - some suffering will strengthen their moral fibre - etc?
The "water in the missiles" story appears to have been based on a misunderstanding of a Chinese idiom. "Injecting water" as in a crooked butcher injecting water into meat to sell it for more than it's wort, i.e. padding prices for the purposes of graft. It seems PLARF generals colluded with the manufacturers to inflate the price of missiles and each side got a cut, NOT that there was actually water in the missiles which, if you know anything whatsoever about them, is a completely idiotic notion. A native Mandarin speaker would have understood this idiom but such people aren't recruited by the US IC any more and the people who are recruited are, it seems, almost galactically stupid.
As for the story about taking fuel from AAMs to cook hotpot, that is just so ridic it sounds like a plant by MSS to discredit western media. The fuel is not only toxic, it burns so hot it would melt through any cooking vessel.
Remember, about 5% of western reporting on China (not just military) is accurate, 10% based on outdated info and 85% purely made up BS.
I kind of wish we had an episode of Dad's Army set in an alternate universe German invasion of the UK
to paraphase a famous youtuber
"you're a 22 year old german conscript, you're only experience of war is marching through France behind the retreating remnants of the french army. Now you find yourself standing on a barge that has just slide ashore near folkestone in a scene of incomprehensible chaos.
the full might of the Royal navy is crashing down on the invasion force behind you, HMS Warspite is going full Nelson. Trebuchets are lobbing canisters of petrolium jelly at you. A company of pensioners are firing antique longbows while a WW1 mk6 tank is rumbles out of the smoke down the beach shooting at you, leading a group of covenanter tanks.
The RAF is dropping canisters of WW1 era mustard gas and phosphene. You swear you just saw a british officer lead a cavalry charge down the beach and then the sea catches fire"
If you survived all of that you'd then find in the ensuing weeks that Sussex had been sown with young men in reserved occupations who'd been trained to act as guerillas using weapons stashed in the woods and you'd need for a month or so to sleep with one eye open until they'd all been rounded up.
If war with Russian is coming - and I doubt it - the first thing we would need to do is go back to pre 1945 pension provision so that we can rearm with a professional military.
3
0
The conscription chat comes from a chap called General Sir Patrick Sanders.
How anyone promoted him above Colonel, I'll never know.
0
0
The mood music is being echoed across parts of Europe sadly - Sweden in particular
2
0
It’s all part of an organised PR campaign by the military establishment to get more money to build their empires with.
Anyone else watch the simpering interview tonight on Sky with Retd. Admiral West? Clearly the old boy had been wheeled out to trot out the same ridiculous narrative about ‘imminent war’.
The Russki military machine is frankly completely knackered, and the very notion that it would seek now or even in the next 10 years to invade any NATO country is just complete nonsense.
1
0
Given their difficulties in Ukraine, how on earth could Russia hope to invade Finland, Poland etc? They wouldn’t have a hope in hell in a conventional war. And if they turn to nukes then there’s no point in conscription anyway.
0
0
There will be no land war in europe involving Nato vs Russia or allies - whilst you are worried about conscription you and almost everyone else north of equator is blown to bits if that war kicks off. As above this is very standard drum banging by a general who has form.
0
0
And before anyone says Russian nukes don't work:
0
0
they’re definitely not allied to china in the sense that china would feel bound to join them in a nuclear exchange
land war seems like a preposterous prospect but I suppose it always does
generally, a rare what Marshall said
0
0
Putin is completely deluded aided by commanders who lie to him so he still thinks his army is amazing.
0
0
Celery 24 Jan 24 22:51
Remarkable that the MSM would have had us believe that Russia was moments from defeat in Ukraine last year…
______________________________________________________________________________
the MSM told us Russian would roll over Ukraine in 3 days
arguably, Russia has already been defeated, it's been utterly humiliated by a tiny neighbour which is probably why it is desperately trying to pretend it is fighting Nato every chance it's dodder old elites get
0
0
I have firearms and plenty of warm clothes so now just need a nice green outfit and a smart uniform for coming into town.
0
0
We won't be fighting anyone ourselves but we very much should be re-starting military manufacturing at scale to supply Ukraine and the countries that have and will give their stuff to Ukraine. We can't rely on a USA beholden to the corrupt GOP and the idiotic Jake Sullivan.
0
0
Threeepwood25 Jan 24 09:26
We can't rely on a USA beholden to the corrupt GOP and the idiotic Jake Sullivan.
______________________________________________________________________________________
on the upside, it's going to be fun when they realise that all this America first! nato is shit! stuff has the result of Germany, Italy and Poland deciding to start nuclear weapons programs because Russia is retarded
0
0
I think I am reaching the Dad's Army age
0
0
Doubt this (we and the frogs can provide the nuclear deterrent) but the yanks probably wouldn't love it if Europeans starts building their own weapons and ammunition instead of buying from US manufacturers.
0
0
Given the recent stories about the rampant corruption including the propellant in their missiles being stolen and replaced with water then perhaps not.
0
0
We've cut the military so much we barely have an army at this point. We certainly do not have a navy - we can't crew what ships we have, and can barely send them out because the entire auxiliary has been mothballed. The extent to which the Tories have completely dismantled the armed forces is under-appreciated I think.
The idea that conscription is the answer is laughable though.
2
0
pancakes I think the dismantling of the military has escaped attention because people are more concerned with the collapse of health education and social services tbh...
1
0
Be good for the young to have some disclipline instilled in them and do something useful. Says boomer who has never fought in a war and worst setback was having to use a candle occasionally and having no TV at night and high interest rates for a bit.
Fortunately this will not come to pass. The worst people to make decisions about the likelihood of war and war preparedness are ex military types.
0
0
national service was the making of some people but was a living nightmare for others. Universal national service is a mistake but there may be an argument for compulsory draft for healthy individuals who are not otherwise or employed or in education between the ages of 16 and 21 (although not to be front line unless they choose to transfer over the military proper)
0
0
Rof Royalty25 Jan 24 10:15
Given the recent stories about the rampant corruption including the propellant in their missiles being stolen and replaced with water then perhaps not.
______________________________________________________________________________
I believe the rampant corruption part, but bear in mind that rampant corruption in Russia has not meant 0 capability
I doubt the water in the fuel tanks story because those missiles are usually solid fuel
0
0
I think the stories were about regular missiles, not ICBM types. The fuel was being siphoned off as cooking fuel. Might have to re-read.
0
0
Didn't the gammon brigade say much the same thing about Brexit? Young people have it too easy these days (pre-2016) - some suffering will strengthen their moral fibre - etc?
0
0
There is definately rampant corruption
I think one of the generals recently removed was known to be basically selling promotions
on the other hand, fighting corruption is also a cover for removing enemies
hard to be sure with china, probably a fair bit of both going on
0
0
I feel well placed to be Capt Mainwaring tbh
0
0
The "water in the missiles" story appears to have been based on a misunderstanding of a Chinese idiom. "Injecting water" as in a crooked butcher injecting water into meat to sell it for more than it's wort, i.e. padding prices for the purposes of graft. It seems PLARF generals colluded with the manufacturers to inflate the price of missiles and each side got a cut, NOT that there was actually water in the missiles which, if you know anything whatsoever about them, is a completely idiotic notion. A native Mandarin speaker would have understood this idiom but such people aren't recruited by the US IC any more and the people who are recruited are, it seems, almost galactically stupid.
As for the story about taking fuel from AAMs to cook hotpot, that is just so ridic it sounds like a plant by MSS to discredit western media. The fuel is not only toxic, it burns so hot it would melt through any cooking vessel.
Remember, about 5% of western reporting on China (not just military) is accurate, 10% based on outdated info and 85% purely made up BS.
0
0
Heffalump25 Jan 24 11:48
I feel well placed to be Capt Mainwaring tbh
_____________________________________________________
I kind of wish we had an episode of Dad's Army set in an alternate universe German invasion of the UK
to paraphase a famous youtuber
"you're a 22 year old german conscript, you're only experience of war is marching through France behind the retreating remnants of the french army. Now you find yourself standing on a barge that has just slide ashore near folkestone in a scene of incomprehensible chaos.
the full might of the Royal navy is crashing down on the invasion force behind you, HMS Warspite is going full Nelson. Trebuchets are lobbing canisters of petrolium jelly at you. A company of pensioners are firing antique longbows while a WW1 mk6 tank is rumbles out of the smoke down the beach shooting at you, leading a group of covenanter tanks.
The RAF is dropping canisters of WW1 era mustard gas and phosphene. You swear you just saw a british officer lead a cavalry charge down the beach and then the sea catches fire"
It would have been absolutely mental.
0
0
If you survived all of that you'd then find in the ensuing weeks that Sussex had been sown with young men in reserved occupations who'd been trained to act as guerillas using weapons stashed in the woods and you'd need for a month or so to sleep with one eye open until they'd all been rounded up.
1
0
Guy, how would a commission in the Royal Corps of Halberdiers suit you?
0
0
personally, I put great store in the humble halberd, it's my go to in a zombie situation
0
0
Ah, the good old Applejacks
0
0
If war with Russian is coming - and I doubt it - the first thing we would need to do is go back to pre 1945 pension provision so that we can rearm with a professional military.
0
0
I see myself as a latter-day Sgt Wilson.
0
0
Winds of War was awesome, even if Ali MacGraw was a weak spot and Bob Mitchum phoned it in.
Join the discussion