From UK /EU POV: The current Israeli strategy towards Palestinians is dumb and it’s not antisemitism to call that out
Asturias Es Mi… 23 Oct 23 11:10
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From a UK/EU POV: It’s also dumb to call /imply that all criticism of Israeli strategy towards Palestinians is (or is inspired by) antisemitism 

Prove me wrong on both or either.

The next bit should not need saying but to hopefully save time: Hamas is a terrorist organization, the October attacks and kidnappings are disgusting and Israel has the absolute right to defend itself and (if that were its strategy) prioritize getting back its hostages - and yea I accept that tragically the recovery of hostages would mean innocent lives being lost. When I say save time , I really mean don’t waste time criticizing me for raising the argument .

 

Nobody has ever come up with a workable strategy for that region.

The Israeli ultras could stop being such dicks when it comes to settlements and Hamas could work on better governance rather than terrorism.

Fair Barney

Im going to add another caveat: I accept some of the criticisms of Israeli strategy are inspired by antisemitism ….but trying to label a catch all phrase like “Free Palestine” as de facto antisemitism is ….dumb and undermines the cross society work needed to address genuine (and raising) antisemitism in public discourse 

trying to label a catch all phrase like “Free Palestine” as de facto antisemitism is ….dumb and undermines the cross society work needed to address genuine (and raising) antisemitism in public discourse 

I completely agree. Most people are not going to think that saying "free Palestine" means hatred of Jews, and trying to insist that it does will be counterproductive at best.

The thing about ‘Free Palestine’ is whether it should be thought of as somehow implicitly including ‘From the river to the sea’. 
I don’t agree it should, but ‘Free the Palestinians’ or demanding a Palestinian state is probably safer ground. 

I had to google what the octopus meant as I had no idea. Now noted.

Are we so brainwashed now that “Free Palestine”- a literal call for freedom of an oppressed people- is considered racist?

Weaponised anti-Semitism has come full circle.

OB - apparently that particular type of octopus toy is something that neuro divergent youngsters often use as a tool to describe feelings so it makes sense she would have one. 

why would she deliberately include a symbol she knows to be anti-Semitic in a photo of her and her friends, one of whom is Jewish, calling for peace in Gaza 

like what’s the theory here? she is anti-Semitic and wanted to let us all know?

It's easy to forget that she is barely more than a teenager and has Asperger's syndrome.  She does actually deserve to be cut some slack I think. This really was a very young neurodivergent adult trying to express how she was feeling, not a rabid anti-semite trying to send a dog whistle.