What was lollersome @ the tories’ expense about.black Wednesday was not the idea of having an exchange rate you div, it was the government’s economic mismanagement that resulted in crash-bang devaluation. The pound was a turd because the Tory government had allowed the country’s economic base to collapse, something from which we are still suffering.
Your general point is that COVID is lower risk to the young, the healthy and the not seriously obese. America is not young and healthy and is obese. It also has massive health care access inequalities. Therefore, in America, COVID is not minor.
'economic mismanagement' mutter mutter mutter "arrogance" mutter mutter. what would you do instead? 'i wouldn't have go us into this mess in the first place! ' mutter mutter
I have reached an all time peak of irritation with the left during this period, for this very reason. The "Tories put the economy before lives !" line has particularly niggled. If what they have done is putting the economy first then I dread to think what their proposal would be. It seems to consist of very spurious arguments about alleged benefits if we'd locked down x days earlier... i sense it would never have been early enough for them whenever it was.
And, of course, if the tables were turned, the Tories would be entirely unpartisan in their criticism, and not seek to make any political capital out of it at all. Oh no.
IF you go on Coronavirus Worlometers and look at the Recovered column you will notice the UK has an N/A in their column. Because in our books you cannot ever recover from covid and if you got it at any point and then die, it must be from it. The recent concession of cutting back to a 28 day cutoff does not fully address this glaring deficiency. So in summary
-Our stats are demonstrably bullsh1t
-The "25000 lives would have been saved" is unprovable hyperbole. Given the timing of the peak and the typical incubation period, it is almost inconceivable that most of the damage was not already done by March 16th. And there was a good deal of "self locking down" that week anyway (WFH, etc, tho schools did stay open).
-Prof Ferguson does not have the best track record on modelling, and showed how much he believed in his own advice when he somehow managed to bang that totally out of his league woman at the expense of her cuck husband.
-Many experts including those at Oxford Uni, have taken a sceptical stance on the figures modelled and reported
-We are also failing to note that back in the halcyon days of mid March, locking down in this way was an unprecedented action, and would very rightly have been seen as something to try to avoid if at all possible due to the massive implications for both health and wealth of the nations which will now be unravelling for years. Not to mention the permanantly altered relationship between person and state, etc. So aiming to avoid it was not IMO the evil/reprehensible act it's now being made out to be
If rolls reversed and labour had instituted exactly same policies Tories would be screaming socialism magic money tree and fiscal irresponsibility- this is cast iron guaranteed. There is in fact nothing much between the parties on CoVid response save labour quite rightly point out where Johnson has been incompetent
I expect it’s difficult for a one-eyed right winger to see the full picture, but in the UK Starmer (assuming that’s “the left”) has been pretty careful not to call out the lockdown timing from what I recall, presumably as there is zero mileage in it given the mixture of international approaches.
The govt made sure lots of old people died by not testing generally, and esp not testing discharged patients. As GC points out, this govt is generally incompetent:
they are subjecting all industry to WTO tariffs or, at best, giving them less than 2 months to plan for any alternative;
they killed lots of old people.
they’ve prejudiced children on the whims of their teachers’ estimated marks, having presided over 10 years of underinvestment and inequality in teaching.
they’ve cost businesses a fortune due to mismanagement of train franchises.
they gave a ferry contract to a company with no ferries.
they procured navy ships that can’t operate in tropical waters.
they’ve overseen massive overspends on HS2, Hinkley Point and Crossrail.
They have ensured real wages have not got back to their pre-GFC levels.
Right wingers should be truly grateful for what can properly be called the “left”, as it ensured a bunch of career politician lightweights were allowed to enter into govt.
The above is palpable nonsense. I hope it's a troll but just in case it's not...
Recapitalising the banks following a global financial crisis was the key reason for our indebted situation in 2010, this is a crisis the Tories would definitely not have prevented, and it's generally agreed even in some Tory circles that their subsequent austerity and cuts generally only stifled the recovery and were more of a moral crusade than anything else (although I admit some things did need looking at eg uncapped HB for London).
What we have now is a Tory government who are responding to an admittedly unprecedented crisis with measures that are, in absolute economic terms, more left wing/socialist than anything that any Labour government (except maybe Corbyn's) would publish in its wildest manifesto...they have literally thrown away the economy and made the most illiberal "nanny state" laws ever... and yet it's still not left enough for the left; and people who vote Tory will continue to vote Tory on the almost religious belief that a blue rosette confers economic competence, despite the evidence which is everywhere to behold.
I was on Rebecca Long Bailey's Facebook page not long ago and she was calling for basically full lockdown until there is literally zero chance of anyone getting covid (my very mild comments were rewarded with a barrage of abuse as is so common with dealing with Momentum keyboard warriors sadly) . It's as if they just have to keep going further and further out lest the Tories out socialist them. There is no red line (pun unintended) as there should be. Mad and scary
Yes no money except the record quantities available at mega low rates that could have been used to quickly repair bank balance sheets and replace private demand with public. You could argue against that but a) it’s exactly what the alt right poster child the US did and b) it’s exactly what the govt of austerity is doing just now.
Your sort are no less ludicrous than the Dave Sparts on the other side.
agreed, this was most prescient and finessed, would u say:
a perfectly normal human being25 Aug 20 14:34 Reply| Report
What was lollersome @ the tories’ expense about.black Wednesday was not the idea of having an exchange rate you div, it was the government’s economic mismanagement that resulted in crash-bang devaluation. The pound was a turd because the Tory government had allowed the country’s economic base to collapse, something from which we are still suffering.
RLB is desperate like so many in politics at the moment. Ignorant on all subjects. Ripe to be manipulated. They have no ideas apart from attacking and everything they say is without substance or evidence.
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Covid is not "minor"
And the postal threat is a real one. The US Postal Service is sh*t. About 50% of the packages we've sent have failed to arrive.
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Covid is minor.
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labour backed entry into the erm. didn't stop them making hay about black wednesday. that's politics
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this feels like one of those elections where the loser will make films about how they woz robbed. a la hanging chads etc
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What was lollersome @ the tories’ expense about.black Wednesday was not the idea of having an exchange rate you div, it was the government’s economic mismanagement that resulted in crash-bang devaluation. The pound was a turd because the Tory government had allowed the country’s economic base to collapse, something from which we are still suffering.
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Your general point is that COVID is lower risk to the young, the healthy and the not seriously obese. America is not young and healthy and is obese. It also has massive health care access inequalities. Therefore, in America, COVID is not minor.
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you sound like anneliee dodds
'economic mismanagement' mutter mutter mutter "arrogance" mutter mutter. what would you do instead? 'i wouldn't have go us into this mess in the first place! ' mutter mutter
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I r8 her
ps who is she
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She's the Shadow Chancellor.
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lol
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never heard of her
shes probably right tho if she says the tories are tools who always fuck up the economy
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i is is a fairly minor issue
if you disagree then you are an idiot in thrall to the weepers and shriekers
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Yeah so minor you ran 8000 miles away from it. You big bullshytting wuss.
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tevvers
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I have reached an all time peak of irritation with the left during this period, for this very reason. The "Tories put the economy before lives !" line has particularly niggled. If what they have done is putting the economy first then I dread to think what their proposal would be. It seems to consist of very spurious arguments about alleged benefits if we'd locked down x days earlier... i sense it would never have been early enough for them whenever it was.
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fully agree
the british left have been an absolute bullshit wagon over this
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ferguson literally said if we’d locked down a week earlier we would have halved the death toll
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Seems feasible. But hey, that's only 25 people right? Oh, 25,000. Ok.
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And, of course, if the tables were turned, the Tories would be entirely unpartisan in their criticism, and not seek to make any political capital out of it at all. Oh no.
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IF you go on Coronavirus Worlometers and look at the Recovered column you will notice the UK has an N/A in their column. Because in our books you cannot ever recover from covid and if you got it at any point and then die, it must be from it. The recent concession of cutting back to a 28 day cutoff does not fully address this glaring deficiency. So in summary
-Our stats are demonstrably bullsh1t
-The "25000 lives would have been saved" is unprovable hyperbole. Given the timing of the peak and the typical incubation period, it is almost inconceivable that most of the damage was not already done by March 16th. And there was a good deal of "self locking down" that week anyway (WFH, etc, tho schools did stay open).
-Prof Ferguson does not have the best track record on modelling, and showed how much he believed in his own advice when he somehow managed to bang that totally out of his league woman at the expense of her cuck husband.
-Many experts including those at Oxford Uni, have taken a sceptical stance on the figures modelled and reported
-We are also failing to note that back in the halcyon days of mid March, locking down in this way was an unprecedented action, and would very rightly have been seen as something to try to avoid if at all possible due to the massive implications for both health and wealth of the nations which will now be unravelling for years. Not to mention the permanantly altered relationship between person and state, etc. So aiming to avoid it was not IMO the evil/reprehensible act it's now being made out to be
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Duh, its called politics. Remember that wall thingy you made so much hay over Donald?
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If rolls reversed and labour had instituted exactly same policies Tories would be screaming socialism magic money tree and fiscal irresponsibility- this is cast iron guaranteed. There is in fact nothing much between the parties on CoVid response save labour quite rightly point out where Johnson has been incompetent
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I expect it’s difficult for a one-eyed right winger to see the full picture, but in the UK Starmer (assuming that’s “the left”) has been pretty careful not to call out the lockdown timing from what I recall, presumably as there is zero mileage in it given the mixture of international approaches.
The govt made sure lots of old people died by not testing generally, and esp not testing discharged patients. As GC points out, this govt is generally incompetent:
they are subjecting all industry to WTO tariffs or, at best, giving them less than 2 months to plan for any alternative;
they killed lots of old people.
they’ve prejudiced children on the whims of their teachers’ estimated marks, having presided over 10 years of underinvestment and inequality in teaching.
they’ve cost businesses a fortune due to mismanagement of train franchises.
they gave a ferry contract to a company with no ferries.
they procured navy ships that can’t operate in tropical waters.
they’ve overseen massive overspends on HS2, Hinkley Point and Crossrail.
They have ensured real wages have not got back to their pre-GFC levels.
Right wingers should be truly grateful for what can properly be called the “left”, as it ensured a bunch of career politician lightweights were allowed to enter into govt.
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"Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! "
Liam Byrne Labour Party Treasury Secretary
Emblematic of Labour's fiscal irresponsibility in office
It normally takes 20 years to clean up Labour's mess
No use whining now about lack of money
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The above is palpable nonsense. I hope it's a troll but just in case it's not...
Recapitalising the banks following a global financial crisis was the key reason for our indebted situation in 2010, this is a crisis the Tories would definitely not have prevented, and it's generally agreed even in some Tory circles that their subsequent austerity and cuts generally only stifled the recovery and were more of a moral crusade than anything else (although I admit some things did need looking at eg uncapped HB for London).
What we have now is a Tory government who are responding to an admittedly unprecedented crisis with measures that are, in absolute economic terms, more left wing/socialist than anything that any Labour government (except maybe Corbyn's) would publish in its wildest manifesto...they have literally thrown away the economy and made the most illiberal "nanny state" laws ever... and yet it's still not left enough for the left; and people who vote Tory will continue to vote Tory on the almost religious belief that a blue rosette confers economic competence, despite the evidence which is everywhere to behold.
I was on Rebecca Long Bailey's Facebook page not long ago and she was calling for basically full lockdown until there is literally zero chance of anyone getting covid (my very mild comments were rewarded with a barrage of abuse as is so common with dealing with Momentum keyboard warriors sadly) . It's as if they just have to keep going further and further out lest the Tories out socialist them. There is no red line (pun unintended) as there should be. Mad and scary
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Yes no money except the record quantities available at mega low rates that could have been used to quickly repair bank balance sheets and replace private demand with public. You could argue against that but a) it’s exactly what the alt right poster child the US did and b) it’s exactly what the govt of austerity is doing just now.
Your sort are no less ludicrous than the Dave Sparts on the other side.
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This was probably the most accurate honest post Laz ever made.
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All the way through, as it goes...
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agreed, this was most prescient and finessed, would u say:
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RLB is desperate like so many in politics at the moment. Ignorant on all subjects. Ripe to be manipulated. They have no ideas apart from attacking and everything they say is without substance or evidence.
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