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Repugnant Footballers shame you all...

Yes, all you sad weirdos on here who worship at the the altar of the grotesque Premier League.

Your heroes have shown themselves, yet again, to be a bunch of completely gormless and cretinous individuals who frankly deserve to lose their jobs and be shipped out to Rockall to spend the rest of their malignant days.

HTH?

 

Whilst I have little inclination to defend modern football, it is the poisonous PFA who are the real villains rather than the footballers.

I don’t doubt that plenty of footballers would take significant temporary pay cuts - look at what’s happening overseas. However the PFA has been militantly instructing them not to agree to anything whatsoever. Any footballers who do know they’ll get hung out to dry by the PFA and portrayed as scabs who are stitching up their fellow pros. 

In most sports you have to be in the top 30 or so in the world to make serious money. 

But with football we have thousands of people making millions each.

Personally I cannot stand the Premiership. Too many petulant yobs who have nothing in common with the fans preening themselves. It is all about fancy boots, fancy cars and ridiculous goal celebrations. A sort of circus for fools to gawp at, all with a chorus of ex-pros wittering on about how "for me" "that is difficult to defend against" because of his "quality" but "if he felt contact he has the right to go down".

Not saying all footballers are like this, but there is so much dross being so over-rewarded.

The concept of a local club no longer works if the players are from all over the world, and the owner is a crook from Russia.

It’s a massive racket and this tin ear to the national crisis just shows how awful all associated with it are when they think they can get away with greed and avarice. Burn them all. 

What King George said and I love watching and going to games, a prem journeyman on 150k a week  ca take a 20k a week hair cut no bother whilst helping out the tea lady et al.

That said a £1MM plus EP at any top 30 firm should do the same tbh

Hargreaves and other cretins like him can’t see the grotesque irony of us taxpayers having to pay  furlough pay for the Premier Football clubs’ lowly paid workers, whilst their players still draw 100% obscene wages.

Come the revolution Hargreaves and his ilk will be put in the ducking stool along with his idols.

 

Why just footballers? As someone who is currently unemployed I would be strongly in favour of literally every single person in the country taking a 30% pay cut for a year to pay for this.

On a more serious note, I do hate the way the media and others go after footballers.

Before we get to the footballers, I would much rather see us go after

Football club owners

Royals (I mean FFS)

Any TV celebrities calling for this nonsense

Pretty much any TV celebrities for that matter

Landowners.

Politicians

TBH the list goes on and on. 

Why people think footballers should have to surrender 30% of their contractual income entitlements whilst hordes of other leeches are left unmolested is beyond me tbh. 

i am confident there are nowhere near 1000 footballers in the uk earning more than £1m pa

i wouldn’t be surprised to hear it’s under 500 tbh

out of 450 odd premier league players the average is £2m, but that will be skewed by the handful earning £5m +, there will be a lot of benchwarmers in the lower half of the table earning less than £1m

the championship average salary is about £750k, so there will be quite a few there on £1m plus, but again that will be skewed by the handful on massive amounts. some champ clubs won’t have a single player on more than £1m

then league one the average drops to under £100k salary

when u think that their peak earning potential is only about five years and the entire career is not much longer than 12 years (only a tiny handful manage big money under c.24 or to play at the top level longer than 12 yrs), most of the footballers really r not as wealthy as u might think

the premier league average is over 3 million......

if you have people continuing to earn multiples of 100k per week, per fooking week and you are furloughing people earning under 50k a year, you have to be mentally retarded to not understand how abhorrent this is

I think some of the egg chasers have taken 25% pay cuts to protect the club support staff so the lowest earners are still fully paid.  Farrell has waived £16k a month.

To be fair to football clubs you can easily replace match day stewards but if your star player fooks off then it’s relegation time and insolvency.

i’m not challenging whether it’s abhorrent or not, i was responding to the assertion above that thousands of football players earn millions each

that’s simply not the case

however, abhorrent or otherwise, the point really is that getting worked up or vigilante about effectively several hundred high earners whose careers r very short, just because ppl know their names, is bizarre

i reckon there r many more lawyers in london alone earning £1m plus than footballers across the uk, and their careers r longer

Why should they take a pay cut?

An Example; Imagine yr Harry Kane on 150k per week. (200k) with add ons. Stayed at a low paying club for years out of loyalty and could easily have fooked off elsewhere for about double his wages. Add into that Spurs, thanks largely to the Harrys endeavours, have made a profit for the last six years (last years being the biggest ever made by a club in the history of football). The club currently have cash on hand of about £150m and an unused credit facility of £50m. You want me to take a pay cut? Get to fook. Call me back when yr down to the last £20m. Cheeky twots.

Now if yr going to say that its unfair because non playing staff are taking a cut, i refer you to the points above regarding the balance sheet. Spurs didnt need to cut them, That they did is not Harrys fault.

But i hear you say -'footballers pay is outrageous' - no they extract market value for their labour. No govt subsidies for a football club. What are you lot, communists?

Rugby is a very stunted game, largely caused by the fact you can't pass the ball forward (and a myriad of other rules).

It doesn't deserve popularity and will never achieve it. 

 

I do think footballers should pay an extra tax that’s used to enable professionals in less popular sport to earn more than minimum wage.  It would apply to any sportsperson earning more than a certain amount every year.

Even the Tottenham players ... today ... are only loyal to their pay-packet ... not like the days of Bill Nicholson, Jimmy Greaves, Pat Jennings, Martin Chivers ... when loyalty was to the shirt ... when it cost 2/6 to get in at the Park Lane and 5 shillings on the Shelf. Tottenham fans displeasure can be seen on https://www.spursforlife.net.

Even the Tottenham players ... today ... are only loyal to their pay-packet ... not like the days of Bill Nicholson, Jimmy Greaves, Pat Jennings, Martin Chivers ... when loyalty was to the shirt ... when it cost 2/6 to get in at the Park Lane and 5 shillings on the Shelf. Tottenham fans displeasure can be seen on https://www.spursforlife.net.

The Oracle of Delphi03 Apr 20 22:12

"i am confident there are nowhere near 1000 footballers in the uk earning more than £1m pa - i wouldn’t be surprised to hear it’s under 500 tbh"

Yeah but I was comparing 30 people in the world making good money in most sports vs thousands in football.

Yes we probably have 500 - 600 Premiership footballer making a million in the UK (28 clubs x 20 or so first team squad players) plus a few more from the Championship.

Worldwide there must be several thousand making £1m plus. No other sport comes close.

Oracle where on earth are you getting these numbers from , they are way off. Have you seen the Deloitte annual report they’ve been doing for over 20 years on footballers income , and the like 

More footballers earn good money compared to elites in other sports because football is by far and away the most popular sport in the world. Nothing even comes close to the popularity of football both in terms of fans/viewers and in participation. 

The elite footballers may be greater in number than other elite sports, but that's because the overall participation is far, far greater. 

If any sport had the same popularity as football in terms of fans and participation you would see exactly the same pattern. Even though there are more elite footballers, their standard is comparable to the elite in any sport.

yes ebitda, that’s exactly the sort of place where u can get info which suggests that pl footballer average salary is around £2m (perhaps as high as £3m as some1 mentions above, though i suspect that’s more like all-in remuneration rather than salary)

as king george has slowly worked out for himself, there r only about 500 players in the premier league (not the premiership as he keeps calling it, which suggests a degree of ignorance)

and when we know that there r quite a few players with salaries of £5m plus (e.g. most of the man city squad), taking that average it stands to reason that a goodly number of the 500 pl players is on under £1m. that’s just simple deduction. then u know clubs like norwich only have a couple of players earning over £1m

and when u recognise that the average salary plummets when u drop to the championship, that shows that there r not all that many in the championship earnings over £1m

no-one truly knows, but by process of deduction it’s pretty obvious that in the uk there will be well under 1000 footballers with salaries ieo £1m and quite possibly fewer than 500

the problem is that ignorant ppl like king george read the daily mail and of one or two high profile footballers on £300k a week and assume that’s somewhere at the top of the norm rather than actually still a massive outlier

now all that’s not to say that the footballers earning £300k-999k r doing badly - no, clearly they r very wealthy too. but there r not all that many of them either

and as i said above, it’s not just pure annual salary - these guys have v short careers

so while this does not add to the debate as to whether the clubs’ contrasting behaviour re non-playing staff vs players, it shows that there is a bizarre and disproportionate fascination amongst the ignorant like king george and marshall hall with the earnings of a tiny handful of individuals just because they r high profile in the media (and probably in marshall hall’s case because quite a few of them r not the sort of person he likes, eg raheem sterling)

“Yes we probably have 500 - 600 Premiership footballer making a million in the UK (28 clubs x 20 or so first team squad players) plus a few more from the Championship.”

u r wrong and have just invented this. see above.

“Worldwide there must be several thousand making £1m plus. No other sport comes close.”

so? worldwide there r thousands of billionaires worth well more than these footballers

there r tens of thousands of employees in financial services and linked professional services (incl law) earning more than £1m

y r u so obsessed with a handful of young men of exceptional in-demand talent but with v short careers earning a decent wedge while they can?

King George 3 April 19:29. .... an excellent summary ... I love Tottenham and last year's semi v Ajax was incredible. But one has to bury the downside ... ably narrated by you ... it does sicken one ... Sanchez' salary ... Bale's salary ... Raheem Sterling cheating in the penalty area ... a blind ref giving a penalty for Liverpool in last year's Champions League Final. ... if these exhibitionist 'stars' donated £50k a month to say the Bosnian Muslims ... then it might indicate some Godliness in these idolators ... all that seems to matter these days in football's outside 'causes' is homosexual rights ... then there's greed by bankers .... so a few deaths of the elite from C-virus will be a corrective to rampant hedonism ... so long as the real bastards die ...

Just read the football365 article DeltaBravo linked. I agree with a lot of what is said in the article by the anon player. A few people on here know what I do for a living. My job also requires that I maintain a level of fitness and a level of readiness so that I can be sent anywhere globally and into harms way. I'm not working on the virus response, but colleagues of mine are and I have a great deal of respect for those healthcare professionals I know. I earn what I think is a decent wage at the OF4 level, less than if I was in the private sector (you can look it up online if you are interested), I have a comfortable life with little worry. All that said I am still earning less in a year than those £80k per week players wage for the week and don't talk to me about short careers or stress when I have seen what has happened to some of my colleagues who have lost limbs and worse.

Oracle you need to access the Deloitte reports . Just so you know it is primary empirical work . They audit / do consulting work for clubs in the EFL than anyone , it’s a good source of info.

oh there are not lots of law firm partners on £1MM plus in fact very few when taken in the round .

A single prem football player ( Ozil, Pogba etc) earns more than the salary budget for the entire squad in Prem Rugby clubs. Worcester for one have furloughed players. These tax dodging big cheeses in football should be made to pay. Their ludicrous wages will no longer be the norm in future and we will see the end of mega transfer fees/ agent back handers. 

Wayne Rooney has shown more sense and intelligence than many on this board of allegedly smart lawyers. 

He is willing and able to give what is needed and would prefer it go directly where it is needed e.g. ventilators, PPE.

His question is why are footballers being singled out and is it perhaps a smokescreen to cover the incompetence of the government response?

Nail, head.

wot royalty sed

the salary cut for footballers simply means that abramovich, kroenke, the srivaddhannaprabas, sheikh mansour and co. r not as out of pocket

y the fook do u lot care about saving them money?

 

ebitda, as i sed above my posts take into account deloitte’s reporting. wtf r u on about?

the real logic is simply to have a super salary additional tax rate temporarily.

then it goes into hmt

but i suspect that won’t satisfy marshall hall and the heed cos then it won’t apply to young black men only

I could get behind a tax for super high earners that goes directly to the social safety net. Some footballers would be swept up in it. Many would be ok with this.

What RR and Delphi said in those last few posts x1000.

Why on Earth pick out one particular profession?

Maybe we should just nationalise all law firms?

Or demand half the value of all London properties from their owners seeing as how we didn’t quarantine the place like Wuhan?

Both totally bonkers - but no more bonkers than launching a witch hunt against footballers.

Makes no sense at all.

Ooooh Mesut Ozil earns more than an entire squad of Rugby Union players? So fooking what? They should have played football in the streets and got very good at it - instead of pissing about with rugger in public schools.  Much the same way as law firm partners get to earn multi tun and cleaners that did fook all at school get to live on sub 20K.  Welcome to real life. Them. Is. The. Breaks.

Actually fook the higher tax rate for those with incomes. If we are that desperate for money, we could just tax land or wealth.  Or nationalise things.  Take the football clubs from their owners. You could do the same with banks, airlines, law firms, whatever...

I’m not saying we should. but the idea that we go after one particular set of employees whilst leaving ownership intact is fooking bonkers.  

Tho tbf in the case of Mesut Ozil, as an Arsenal fan, I think he is the exception that proves the rule. fook knows how that man earns so much money.

Maybe we just have a Mesut Ozil tax?

Hey BT, I think we did this already but my Dad was ALS1 when he retired (and when it was that).  I suspect that you postdated him by about 30 years as he retired nearly 30 years ago. And thank you for being ready.  We have a couple of RAMC members of the family who are quite busy.

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