Centrism is the most insipid flavour of politics. It's "I'm alright Jack" coated in "I care about other people. Really I do" served in a "I'm cleverer than you", bowl
Centrists should be embarrassed but if you eat that flavor somehow you believe your the world's greatest.
Lol @ leaving behind, victimising or marginalising the fewest people possible in a world where we could give every single person $10k plus each being "insipid". The reason people like ExP don't like it is precisely because their "I'm alright Jack" world is disrupted, and they would rather you leave them in their NIMBY bubble carefully engineered to protect their vested interests. As Obama said - "you didn't build that".
The two ends of the horseshoe curve are virtually touching now, wang. The nutters on both sides just shout at each other in a echo chamber. See the trans debate for proof.
“The core of centrist dadism is just adding "but don't take the piss" to any credible and noble political goal.”
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It's not though is it. It's fiddling whilst Rome burns.
Have the guts to actually do something to fix the problems instead of tinkering at the edges.
Say that a genocide is happening and make the argument to stop arming the genociders.
Supreme centrist dad Starmer couldn't be more vacuous in his positioning. Maybe you can't even call it vacuous because he was actively supporting collective punishment and calling it self defence.
And that's just an example of how wet Centrism is.
"Kill tens of thousands. Just not hundreds of thousands".
Centrist Dadism is just incrementalism isn’t it, not denialism. The idea is “things are generally going in a good direction, let’s try to make them better (and put more craft beer in the pubs while we’re at it)”.
You can call it “tinkering at the edges” I suppose, but it’s a legitimate political policy view.
Centrist dads accept that change is incremental and that lasting, effective change takes time, effort and persuasion.
Lunatics like Truss and Corbyn think that you can just do stuff and everyone will say "ok we're doing that now" and the world will change in an instant.
Centrist dads also accept that people feck up and dont throw the baby out with the bathwater.
In a lot of ways royalty’s 2026 is right in what they think. His first para about the slowness of change is why the rest of the world has zoomed past the uk; and his last para about not holding people accountable is how we have things like the infected blood and post office scandals.
In every way it is right risky, you patronising, Liz truss simping, far right leaning, pale leg having, burger flipping, sock puppeteer. In every single way.
Seriously RR (as you can tell I am) I think you can actually tell (if such matters exercise your mind) which of your sproglets is your closest genetic match when IVV.
My oldest son is the most charming drunk. Far more so than when not. Remember that in however many years when our hair is finally a matching grey
“GG. People can take that view. I'm saying is wet and achieves little for people who need help now.
Arguably it's damaging because it continues to agree the overall economic consensus which tends to support existing power and wealth structures.”
Sure on its face it supports existing economic power structures, no argument there.
The idea as I understand it is let’s make small changes over time to make things fairer to everyone and not tear down existing systems without a plan (because they’re Centrist Dads and they’re liberal but not radical). To that extent it does achieve something for those who need help, if not completely.
It may be cautious but I don’t think it’s “wet” (Hilary and Tony are exemplars and they’re hawkish enough).
But obviously the Centrists Dads reject the Corbyns and Trusses (or the Bernies and Trumps in the USA) who want to make any extreme changes to systems.
I guess the counter is if you think the social engine has broken enough that radical change is required to fix it? There’s some concern about that with right wing populism taking root across Europe and in certain states of the US, but I don’t know if it’s reached tipping point yet.
And I disagree with Dalek/Risky about slowness of change being negative globally - any country I can think of that instituted radical change quickly might have had an early boost but soon degenerated into authoritarianism and then collapse.
The infected blood / post office scandals is an argument for more regulation and independent review, not less, surely?
How on earth would a Liz Truss, Singapore-on-Thames, uber-capitalist, fight-the-Blob society have in any way helped the infected blood or the Post Office scandal?
Starmer is so vacuous and his party is so empty of policy he's wide open to criticism.
He's on record as saying UK is in urgent need of electoral reform. He's only prepared to extend voting rights to UK resident EU nationals. Ooh. That's going to fix it.
"during the 2020 Labour leadership election, when he said: “On electoral reform, we’ve got to address the fact that millions of people vote in safe seats and they feel their voice doesn’t count. That’s got to be addressed. We will never get full participation in our electoral system until we do that at every level.”
At the time, I thought his choice of words was curious, but that it clearly implied a proportional system. The Electoral Reform Society put out a press release headed: “Keir Starmer announces support for … proportional representation.” Starmer did not complain."
"I guess the counter is if you think the social engine has broken enough that radical change is required to fix it?". - GRIEVING GENERAL
Yes. It's fundamentally broken. For example, There's urgent need for constitutional and media reform to
1. Make Parliament reflect it's population in key measures likes wealth, education, geography etc
2. To remove undue influence from politics such as dirty money, lobbying, and conflicts of interests
3. Give a regulator teeth to punish misconduct of politicians
4. Enable news media to report responsibly and fairly rather than according to the agenda of the media's owners with a regulator that will punish misleading reporting.
Centrism offers no solutions to this.
There's an argument which could trace the disasters of the last 15 years to a broken political/constitutional system. We might have avoided austerity and/or Brexit under PR and we might have had swifter action for lying politicians than waiting for resignations because of political pressure.
There are huge problems with so much of the UK's constitutional system.
Just one example: constituency size is based on electoral rather than population. That is different from other common law democracies such as the US, Ireland such Australia, all of which base constituency size on population.
The effect of the UK approach is that many constituencies which have younger populations and/or significant populations without general election voting rights have much greater populations than other constituencies with older populations with few immigrants. My constituency of Tooting has a population of 106,800. The constituency of Aberconwyn in Wales has a population of 55,680. The constituency of East Ham has a population of 169,900.
This system has a huge impact on UK electoral politics now that over the past 15 years there has been a growing difference between how younger demographics and older demographics vote and there have been more immigrants from non-Commonwealth countries (i.e. people who don't have general election voting rights). When Republicans in the US tried to change congressional apportionment from being on the basis of population to electorate there was uproar. Then the UK media class which is largely centrist dad types were writing articles criticising the Republicans while saying nothing about the fact that the UK is already doing what the Republicans want to introduce in the UK!
Centrism is the only valid political pose. Anything else is just the bored, the poseur and/or the thick, baying for relevance. The status quo is almost always good.
I guess I’m not sure what you mean by “solutions” here - my understanding is Alistair and Rory (the patron saints of Centrist Dads) are constantly going on about electoral reform, enforcement of standards among MPs, Ofcom & GB News etc
By which I mean any reform of those matters you raise would likely be supported as long as it was independently assessed and practical to implement.
I suspect the difference is in your sense of “urgent need” - what kind of constitutional reform do you think is needed? I agree the Centrist Dad mindset would probably reject anything too sweeping and unilateral from Labour or the Tories.
Centrist Dad Alistair at the heart of gvt with A PM that supported electoral reform did FA when he had the chance so he's not someone I pay attention to. His talk about anything he could havd achieved but didn't just tells me he's a talking head saying words for clicks/revenue now he knows there's no chance he has to follow through
The current iteration of the Labour Party which is populated by centre right/centrists have nothing to say of substance in constitutional/electoral reform
The centrists on this thread are just zombying along with empty slogans and shifting goal posts which I'm just not engaging with now
'Extremism' is an unhelpful phrasing. "Centre' sounds 'balanced', and 'extreme' sounds, well 'extreme'. Who wants to be 'extreme'? And what is one person's extreme is another person's 'balanced'.
What is 'extreme' and what is centre, depends on the political climate. What Thatcher managed in the 80s on income tax looked hard right then, but were the nominal tax rate at Thatchers high water mark the policy target now, that would look 'loony left' today.
And centrists? Well, centrists would have been claiming that that tax rate was 'the right tax rate' at the time, and now its much lower, this new lower one is 'the right tax rate'. Well, they would if you look at the things said on this thread; 'more status quo', and 'don't take the piss' and 'were going in the right direction, keep walking'.
The gaping problem in the centrists argument is that it just assumes a) the status quo is good/close to where we want to be, and b) the direction of travel is correct.
If all you stand for is 'status quo', then you don't know what good looks like then we're all pretty much f/cked.
OK, my next question as you don’t like my first is: you bemoan centrists as being wet and not accomplishing anything. What exactly have you done differently that we can learn from and how have you managed to change the status quo by not being wet?
But again ExP I’m not certain what kind of reform you think would be necessary. Say Centrist Dads (for the sake of argument) would be in favour of reforming Ofcom and giving it more powers to enforce breaches of media standards, but wouldn’t be in favour of the government banning GB News and TalkTv outright and forcing Murdoch to sell his interests in all UK media holdings. Is that too “wet”? What would be required?
RR: I'm quoting the self styled centrists on this thread. I also answered your question to 'stay on the pot'.
Crypto: The status quo evolves for a reason. Of course. But not necessarily a desirable one. As I've said; the system currently favours power and wealth where it already lies. If you think that's desirable, vote for the status quo. I don't, and would like to see a more equitable distribution of wealth, and a new structure which embeds that more equitable distribution on a permanent basis. It's simply not right that some people can be billionaires whilst they have employees who are paid so little they need state support, just as an example.
CJ: I've done nothing, because i'm not a politician. What are you expecting me to have done?
Ok so a centrist may say “the minimum wage should be raised so that people are paid fairly.” However, they wouldn’t likely say “billionaires shouldn’t exist.” It’s just moderation of both left and right politics.
GG: I don't have a fully formed idea of what media reform exactly looks like. I'm just one person with a full time job.
That said, there's no doubt in my mind that the UK media landscape is not an information service. I completely subscribe to the theory in 'Manufacturing Consent', so we're regularly misinformed even if on balance most articles each in isolation, reporting accurate factual content.
Labour so far as I am aware, have no plans on media reform.
It really doesn’t matter what the shambling petty extremists and fringe charlatans of ROF, like ExP and big silly risky, think about centrism. The centrist dads are about to be granted the largest majority in British political history with which to remake british society -once again - in a centre left, third way, good public services but immensely relaxed about people getting rich way. It’s going to be like 1997 again but with even more lulz
the only way to regulate the quality of information provided by the media is to have a tax funded public broadcasting and media organisation not bound to short term commercial stimulii
like the one the fringe issue rightist freaks are always trying to destroy
thankfully, like (((reform))) of the NHS, abolishing the BBC remains an absolute fringe issue that nobody except despicable freaks will give the time of day
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Ppl h8 us cos dey aint us
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About covers it.
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Centrism is the most insipid flavour of politics. It's "I'm alright Jack" coated in "I care about other people. Really I do" served in a "I'm cleverer than you", bowl
Centrists should be embarrassed but if you eat that flavor somehow you believe your the world's greatest.
#happytohelp
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You missed one:
“Homeowner “
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*you're
Linorder missed 'smart' off the list, also.
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Lol @ leaving behind, victimising or marginalising the fewest people possible in a world where we could give every single person $10k plus each being "insipid". The reason people like ExP don't like it is precisely because their "I'm alright Jack" world is disrupted, and they would rather you leave them in their NIMBY bubble carefully engineered to protect their vested interests. As Obama said - "you didn't build that".
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The list was not exclusive. Very happy to add ‘homeowner’ and. ‘intelligent’.
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Lol. I'm not a Tory. Centrism is Toryism for people who like to think of themselves as having concern for others
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Centrism as a philosophy is absolutely fine. It’s the sneering most people can’t abide.
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Women want to be them, men want to be with them.
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We annoy the right people, as this thread shows.
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It's the love of Coldplay I just can't abide.
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The differences simply make us stronger.
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Let's be honest, we could probably fix you.
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to be fair, it is kind of weird that "can things just be normal please" has become a serious political ideology in the UK
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I am confused, is xPro hard left or right?
The core of centrist dadism is just adding "but don't take the piss" to any credible and noble political goal.
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Centrist dads want Count BInface to do really well in the London Mayoral election but not actually win for goodness sake.
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Oh god. Looks like the lower middles have got above themselves again.
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The two ends of the horseshoe curve are virtually touching now, wang. The nutters on both sides just shout at each other in a echo chamber. See the trans debate for proof.
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At least one of Rof’s FrEe tHinKeRs joining the triggerati I see
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Can quote top sitcom dialogue
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And knows Simpsons s1 to s14 off by heart.
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New bike day
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“The core of centrist dadism is just adding "but don't take the piss" to any credible and noble political goal.”
1000x this
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RAIL AGAINST IT
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“The core of centrist dadism is just adding "but don't take the piss" to any credible and noble political goal.”
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It's not though is it. It's fiddling whilst Rome burns.
Have the guts to actually do something to fix the problems instead of tinkering at the edges.
Say that a genocide is happening and make the argument to stop arming the genociders.
Supreme centrist dad Starmer couldn't be more vacuous in his positioning. Maybe you can't even call it vacuous because he was actively supporting collective punishment and calling it self defence.
And that's just an example of how wet Centrism is.
"Kill tens of thousands. Just not hundreds of thousands".
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That’s a bit unfair Ex.
Centrist Dadism is just incrementalism isn’t it, not denialism. The idea is “things are generally going in a good direction, let’s try to make them better (and put more craft beer in the pubs while we’re at it)”.
You can call it “tinkering at the edges” I suppose, but it’s a legitimate political policy view.
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ExP blaming Starmer (not the PM yet) for failing to stop Israel is classic horseshoe end extremism. He is Owen Jones AICM £5.
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Err no. I'm not saying Starmer can stop anything. I'm saying he's doing the classic centrist dad thing of being a nothing burger in human form.
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It's right there in my post. Take a stance. And then argue for it.
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Centrist dads accept that change is incremental and that lasting, effective change takes time, effort and persuasion.
Lunatics like Truss and Corbyn think that you can just do stuff and everyone will say "ok we're doing that now" and the world will change in an instant.
Centrist dads also accept that people feck up and dont throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Pls try to deal.
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WHAT HAS ANY OF THIS TO DO WITH DADO RAILS?
(asking on behalf of Mrs P who has been plying me C2H5OH since I got home)
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GG. People can take that view. I'm saying is wet and achieves little for people who need help now.
Arguably it's damaging because it continues to agree the overall economic consensus which tends to support existing power and wealth structures.
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ExP now needs to put forward an alternative way of improving things or get off the pot.
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Or at the very least try Patrick Chodot Fleurie 2022
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I love it when you are drunk Prodders, do an AMA.
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In a lot of ways royalty’s 2026 is right in what they think. His first para about the slowness of change is why the rest of the world has zoomed past the uk; and his last para about not holding people accountable is how we have things like the infected blood and post office scandals.
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I daren't RR. Egobrainiac is determined to uncover the source of my crust and I’d have to come clean about my passion for mudlarking.
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In every way it is right risky, you patronising, Liz truss simping, far right leaning, pale leg having, burger flipping, sock puppeteer. In every single way.
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Filth
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Seriously RR (as you can tell I am) I think you can actually tell (if such matters exercise your mind) which of your sproglets is your closest genetic match when IVV.
My oldest son is the most charming drunk. Far more so than when not. Remember that in however many years when our hair is finally a matching grey
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The beauty of middle age (which I am rapidly is approaching) is that one no longer gives a damn.
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Oh i see Xpro is attempting to turn wverything into a one issue tede fest.
Heh@proddo "approaching"
U expecting to give methuselah a run for his money?
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Xpro is another risky sock.
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No.
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“GG. People can take that view. I'm saying is wet and achieves little for people who need help now.
Arguably it's damaging because it continues to agree the overall economic consensus which tends to support existing power and wealth structures.”
Sure on its face it supports existing economic power structures, no argument there.
The idea as I understand it is let’s make small changes over time to make things fairer to everyone and not tear down existing systems without a plan (because they’re Centrist Dads and they’re liberal but not radical). To that extent it does achieve something for those who need help, if not completely.
It may be cautious but I don’t think it’s “wet” (Hilary and Tony are exemplars and they’re hawkish enough).
But obviously the Centrists Dads reject the Corbyns and Trusses (or the Bernies and Trumps in the USA) who want to make any extreme changes to systems.
I guess the counter is if you think the social engine has broken enough that radical change is required to fix it? There’s some concern about that with right wing populism taking root across Europe and in certain states of the US, but I don’t know if it’s reached tipping point yet.
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Those eejits that call themselves centrist dads on here are generally the nastiest, spiteful and most intolerant bigots.
HTH.
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And I disagree with Dalek/Risky about slowness of change being negative globally - any country I can think of that instituted radical change quickly might have had an early boost but soon degenerated into authoritarianism and then collapse.
The infected blood / post office scandals is an argument for more regulation and independent review, not less, surely?
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How on earth would a Liz Truss, Singapore-on-Thames, uber-capitalist, fight-the-Blob society have in any way helped the infected blood or the Post Office scandal?
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Marsehole having a full self awareness fail here.
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GG spitting truths.
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You’re hilarious gg. ‘The regulators have failed. We need more regulators!’
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But to be clear, that is a 💯 pc centrist dad thought process and attitude
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RR’s 12.42 still holding true.
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I want to see less regulation, starting with AML regs…
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“You’re hilarious gg.”
Aw thanks Dalek.
You’re pretty funny yourself.
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💯pc ff.
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The SRA is of course an examplar in regulatory overreach and general incompetence.
We actually need a bonfire of the regulators.
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I’m not convinced the SRA isn’t some sort of ‘Banksy’
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Like that theme park he did a few years ago
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Starmer is so vacuous and his party is so empty of policy he's wide open to criticism.
He's on record as saying UK is in urgent need of electoral reform. He's only prepared to extend voting rights to UK resident EU nationals. Ooh. That's going to fix it.
"during the 2020 Labour leadership election, when he said: “On electoral reform, we’ve got to address the fact that millions of people vote in safe seats and they feel their voice doesn’t count. That’s got to be addressed. We will never get full participation in our electoral system until we do that at every level.”
At the time, I thought his choice of words was curious, but that it clearly implied a proportional system. The Electoral Reform Society put out a press release headed: “Keir Starmer announces support for … proportional representation.” Starmer did not complain."
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ExP is screaming into the void again. Nobody gives a toss lad, we just want the tozzas out forever.
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sensational ‘tache
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My post is about how Centrism is a do nothing policy platform. And also how Starmer is a potato masquerading as a politician.
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And to 16year olds and prisoners ex orosexutor
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U ok hun?
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Don’t want communism
Don’t want anarchy
Centrism all the way baby
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ExP is screaming into the void again. Nobody gives a toss lad, we just want the tozzas out forever.
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Good luck with this ina FPTP system which favours the Tories. Centrists pwned themselves again
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"I guess the counter is if you think the social engine has broken enough that radical change is required to fix it?". - GRIEVING GENERAL
Yes. It's fundamentally broken. For example, There's urgent need for constitutional and media reform to
1. Make Parliament reflect it's population in key measures likes wealth, education, geography etc
2. To remove undue influence from politics such as dirty money, lobbying, and conflicts of interests
3. Give a regulator teeth to punish misconduct of politicians
4. Enable news media to report responsibly and fairly rather than according to the agenda of the media's owners with a regulator that will punish misleading reporting.
Centrism offers no solutions to this.
There's an argument which could trace the disasters of the last 15 years to a broken political/constitutional system. We might have avoided austerity and/or Brexit under PR and we might have had swifter action for lying politicians than waiting for resignations because of political pressure.
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Centrist dad’s ditch the family for cycling rather than golf
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ExProsecutor 100% correct in his preceding post.
There are huge problems with so much of the UK's constitutional system.
Just one example: constituency size is based on electoral rather than population. That is different from other common law democracies such as the US, Ireland such Australia, all of which base constituency size on population.
The effect of the UK approach is that many constituencies which have younger populations and/or significant populations without general election voting rights have much greater populations than other constituencies with older populations with few immigrants. My constituency of Tooting has a population of 106,800. The constituency of Aberconwyn in Wales has a population of 55,680. The constituency of East Ham has a population of 169,900.
This system has a huge impact on UK electoral politics now that over the past 15 years there has been a growing difference between how younger demographics and older demographics vote and there have been more immigrants from non-Commonwealth countries (i.e. people who don't have general election voting rights). When Republicans in the US tried to change congressional apportionment from being on the basis of population to electorate there was uproar. Then the UK media class which is largely centrist dad types were writing articles criticising the Republicans while saying nothing about the fact that the UK is already doing what the Republicans want to introduce in the UK!
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Centrism is the only valid political pose. Anything else is just the bored, the poseur and/or the thick, baying for relevance. The status quo is almost always good.
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There are two types of centrism.
One is social democracy: the watered-down Socialism of most on here. Nanny State fun police.
The other is proper Liberalism.
I know which I prefer.
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Laz. You were cheering Corbyn on in 2017.
I think the centrists are just trolling at this point.
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"The status quo is almost always good. "
LOL.
The status quo is only as good as the underlying assumptions upon which it based.
The status quo is the Tories now and has been for most of the post war period. Centrism therefore wants more of this.
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lol @ u all
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@ExP
I guess I’m not sure what you mean by “solutions” here - my understanding is Alistair and Rory (the patron saints of Centrist Dads) are constantly going on about electoral reform, enforcement of standards among MPs, Ofcom & GB News etc
By which I mean any reform of those matters you raise would likely be supported as long as it was independently assessed and practical to implement.
I suspect the difference is in your sense of “urgent need” - what kind of constitutional reform do you think is needed? I agree the Centrist Dad mindset would probably reject anything too sweeping and unilateral from Labour or the Tories.
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By electoral reform, are they pushing the Lib Dem PR line now? Because f that.
How long has the Netherlands been without a government since their elections?
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The stability provided by centrist dad dominance allows modern European democracies to carry on without government. See also Belgium.
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@GG. Urgent as in very important and long overdue
Centrist Dad Alistair at the heart of gvt with A PM that supported electoral reform did FA when he had the chance so he's not someone I pay attention to. His talk about anything he could havd achieved but didn't just tells me he's a talking head saying words for clicks/revenue now he knows there's no chance he has to follow through
The current iteration of the Labour Party which is populated by centre right/centrists have nothing to say of substance in constitutional/electoral reform
The centrists on this thread are just zombying along with empty slogans and shifting goal posts which I'm just not engaging with now
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RR suppose it helps when you have, to a significant extent, Brussels telling you what to do.
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ExP it’s debatable how much power Alastair had. Did he have any policy role or was it just spin / messaging?
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Stop the boats
Brexit means Brexit
Take back control
Oven ready deal
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Wow. Alistair Campbell is considered a centrist dad now? Blimey.
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Genuinely interested to know wether ex-P believes that centrism is worse than the opposite (extremism).
Are you in favour of extremism over centrism?
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If you’re heading in the right direction, all you got to do is keep on walking.
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Edgelordism.
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'Extremism' is an unhelpful phrasing. "Centre' sounds 'balanced', and 'extreme' sounds, well 'extreme'. Who wants to be 'extreme'? And what is one person's extreme is another person's 'balanced'.
What is 'extreme' and what is centre, depends on the political climate. What Thatcher managed in the 80s on income tax looked hard right then, but were the nominal tax rate at Thatchers high water mark the policy target now, that would look 'loony left' today.
And centrists? Well, centrists would have been claiming that that tax rate was 'the right tax rate' at the time, and now its much lower, this new lower one is 'the right tax rate'. Well, they would if you look at the things said on this thread; 'more status quo', and 'don't take the piss' and 'were going in the right direction, keep walking'.
The gaping problem in the centrists argument is that it just assumes a) the status quo is good/close to where we want to be, and b) the direction of travel is correct.
If all you stand for is 'status quo', then you don't know what good looks like then we're all pretty much f/cked.
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Yes but the status quo generally evolves for a reason and suits a lot of people. Most people prefer certainty and gradual organic evolution.
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OK, my next question as you don’t like my first is: you bemoan centrists as being wet and not accomplishing anything. What exactly have you done differently that we can learn from and how have you managed to change the status quo by not being wet?
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You have no idea what centrism is. Ok.
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But again ExP I’m not certain what kind of reform you think would be necessary. Say Centrist Dads (for the sake of argument) would be in favour of reforming Ofcom and giving it more powers to enforce breaches of media standards, but wouldn’t be in favour of the government banning GB News and TalkTv outright and forcing Murdoch to sell his interests in all UK media holdings. Is that too “wet”? What would be required?
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RR: I'm quoting the self styled centrists on this thread. I also answered your question to 'stay on the pot'.
Crypto: The status quo evolves for a reason. Of course. But not necessarily a desirable one. As I've said; the system currently favours power and wealth where it already lies. If you think that's desirable, vote for the status quo. I don't, and would like to see a more equitable distribution of wealth, and a new structure which embeds that more equitable distribution on a permanent basis. It's simply not right that some people can be billionaires whilst they have employees who are paid so little they need state support, just as an example.
CJ: I've done nothing, because i'm not a politician. What are you expecting me to have done?
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Centrist dads fücking hate the current status quo because we're being ruled by corrupt extremist dickheads. Hth
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Ok so a centrist may say “the minimum wage should be raised so that people are paid fairly.” However, they wouldn’t likely say “billionaires shouldn’t exist.” It’s just moderation of both left and right politics.
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GG: I don't have a fully formed idea of what media reform exactly looks like. I'm just one person with a full time job.
That said, there's no doubt in my mind that the UK media landscape is not an information service. I completely subscribe to the theory in 'Manufacturing Consent', so we're regularly misinformed even if on balance most articles each in isolation, reporting accurate factual content.
Labour so far as I am aware, have no plans on media reform.
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You wrote, “Have the guts to actually do something to fix the problems instead of tinkering at the edges.”
Well none of us are politicians either. What do you expect us to do? Shouldn’t you lead by example?
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It really doesn’t matter what the shambling petty extremists and fringe charlatans of ROF, like ExP and big silly risky, think about centrism. The centrist dads are about to be granted the largest majority in British political history with which to remake british society -once again - in a centre left, third way, good public services but immensely relaxed about people getting rich way. It’s going to be like 1997 again but with even more lulz
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the only way to regulate the quality of information provided by the media is to have a tax funded public broadcasting and media organisation not bound to short term commercial stimulii
like the one the fringe issue rightist freaks are always trying to destroy
thankfully, like (((reform))) of the NHS, abolishing the BBC remains an absolute fringe issue that nobody except despicable freaks will give the time of day
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