She does seem to have a spectacular opinion of her own significance. I suspect half the South African population didn't even know there was a royal wedding.
She's probably an arse, but not a paedo or recipient of dodgy russian and ME cash in carrier bags, so she's hardly the worst in the firm. Seems to attract a lot of criticism from those who claim to be not a racist, but...
I don't dislike her I just put her in the same category as Gwyneth Paltrow with a massively inflated sense of her own importance which is lapped up by people who in years gone by would've been overjoyed every time the snake oil salesman was in town.
Risky Jr says she looks young. He says his dad always used to hiss when she was in the papers and he would cut her eyes out and put the cut out eyes in a special box. He cried at that memory.
Not something helpful generally (you're weaponising mental illness), and unethical to speculate about, even for those with the qualifications to assess and diagnose psychological disorders
You can criticise behaviour, without weaponising mental health conditions for clout on the internet
She is an actress and will be quite self absorbed. However watch the film Spencer which KS was excellent in. It’s masterful in portraying what happens to someone who doesn’t fit in within those circles. MM has recounted one thing that one may not agree with. So what.
My marriage was celebrated like Nelson Mandela's release from gaol.
I had to look this up because it sounded preposterous, and even the Daily Mail says that sb told her that. She didn't describe the event that way herself. Sweet fvcking Jesus.
Lol, she'd still be scum if she was white, old, ugly and a man. It's her character that was always the problem for people, not irrelevancies like the ethnicity of her mother.
The Times story says that a South African cast member from the Lion King told her that at the London premiere, but then later they are pictured in RSA and the Times then says she was told that in South Africa. Odd
Is it possible to think she is a bit of narcissist and self-important and to wish she would retire from public life without being accused of being either a racist or of hating her?
She definitely shows all the hallmarks of being one …
obviously impossible to formally diagnose without being a psychiatrist and seeing her in person.
But the key tell for me is that she creates her own ‘reality’.
Her own version of events is her reality … even when it is often demonstrable at odds with the facts.
Like her claims she had nothing to do with releasing info for that book, or that she never lived with her sister, and that they got married before the big wedding… etc etc. all demonstrable false statements.
But if she is a narc then she genuinely believes that is how these things happened.
So she isn’t ‘lying’, she just exists in her own reality.
Hence the palace’s ‘recollections may vary’ statement. I suspect the RF have had professional advice on how to handle someone like her.. their approach at present is remarkably ‘grey rock’ if you are familiar with that term.
Which all honestly means things only get worse from here for everyone involved in this mess.
what she went through, the inhuman abuse from the British public all whilst she was pregnant with Archie, just because of the colour of her skin
it has been as profound as Mandela leaving prison. British people have learnt that black peoples can marry white people in harmony - even at the top of society, it isn’t something just for us common folk.
it was like Obama getting elected president - but this was way more important. It’s not just about giving someone a position but actually making a black person part of a white person’s family, their genes, their heritage
and it shows her point again that she points out what she went through, how it changed people and society and those of us are still making these racist remarks exhibited on this thread
She and her husband do seem to be quite annoying, in the same way as any other celeb that wants to be left alone by the press but also wants to make a career out of being famous.
They are not however in the same ball park as Nonce Andrew, and being quite irritating does not justify racism. There is no doubt the tabloids went for her, because she's not white. Just like they encouraged people to vote for Brexit to keep the forriners out.
Of course, and also is no basis for solicitors to assert boldly that others have psychological disorders, when solicitors have no qualifications in assessing and diagnosing psychological disorders, and there's no such thing as "classic x" as it pertains to mental illness, and assessing and diagnosing mental illnesses are both complex even for those qualified in each
Those with the the qualifications to assess and diagnose psychological disorders don't do this, and state clearly it's unethical when people weaponise mental illness, which is what solicitors are doing when they assert boldly that others have psychological disorders
This willful spreading of misinformation causes a lot of harm
It's entirely possibly to criticise behaviour, without weaponising mental illness It's entirely possible to criticise behaviour, without resorting to hyperbole and exaggeration that someone is a "classic x"
There is no doubt the tabloids went for her, because she's not white.
Nothing factual to suggest this is true, as things stand now It may well be that we come to learn stuff in future which shows it to be true, but we don't have that now, so we can't justify with evidence any claim of racism today
It is possible to have an opinion on lots of things without having qualifications, I do it all the time and so does everyone.
I think it might rain
That suit looks cheap
He's a bad driver
Tabloids fuel racist views
All things I have expressed an opinion on today with zero qualifications in a relevant field. I'd arrest myself, if I had the qualifications of course.
Personally I think Scylla’s 14:43 is extremely well-worded and her opinion is clearly evidenced. She is not having a go at Meghan in any way, just pointing out some things that were said that clearly weren’t factually correct and providing a very reasonable hypothesis for why this might be the case (based on her personal experience).
I thought it a good way to encourage empathy for Meghan and understand why the RF are being somewhat restrained.
Much more interesting to read in any case than Rumpole’s post.
He's a middle-aged adult male, who can be held responsible for his choices, and we don't have any factual evidence of manipulation between them thus far It may come to light in the future, but we don't have it yet
If a partner seeks to isolate their partner, by pressuring them to cut off their friends, that's troubling
If a person suddenly decides to cut off their friends, that's troubling
If friends drift apart over time to the point where they're again strangers, that's normal
If friends drift apart over time to the point where they become acquaintances, that's normal
She’s playing the same game everyone else does who relies on social media for a living. She’s made and asserted her own reality, and has to stick to it however absurd it is or makes her look. And it deffo makes her look like a narc faod. But she never stood a chance against Queen Kate.
As for …’thought it a good way to encourage empathy for Meghan’.
I actually do really feel for her, as I would for anyone thrust into that kind of pressure cooker/public role without any real understanding of what it would entail x racism x misogyny that she faces.
And if she is a narcissist then she finds herself in a really untenable position, with inescapable scrutiny of her every move/word etc .. which means the usual narcissistic playbook moves if triangulation and gaslighting won’t work for her as the media will simply call it out. Over and over again.
Also.. people forget that narcissists can’t help being narcissistic. It’s not something they choose to be or do consciously. It’s a personality disorder around how they perceive themselves, the world and their interactions with other and an accompanying set of behaviours designed to protect themselves.
It would make her particularly unsuited for a role in which she is constantly subject to intense public scrutiny.
Yet she has no real escape options other than becoming a total reclusive hermit… which narcissistic delusions of grandeur would make her equally unsuited for.
She really is stuck in a shitty situation with no off ramp.
And the fact that she has openly discussed being suicidal at times is hugely concerning.
I actually feel the royal family get more popular every time she does this, there’s a limited amount of stuff she can now spout from now on without appearing even more unhinged. It’s devastating for the rf on a personal level watching their son, brother, grandson behave like this and side with Meghan but from a PR perspective given the papers hate Meghan it’s not too bad. I do reckon if Harry files for divorce the British public would welcome him back and she would be vilified further - when really he’s being a spoilt brat too.
But as you say cakers it’s not just about the Press and PR.
This will have devastated internal family relationships.. and will mean Archie and Lilibet will never know any of their extended family on either side.
Cakers is absolutely correct , apart from Harr being a spoilt brat. He has been pussy whipped ( sorry)
No end of videos of late showing him looking and feeling incredibly uncomfortable when she is holding court. I said when they announced their engagement , on ITV who did a piece, the marriage would last 3-5 years.
His friends and family advised he was mad marrying a divorcee from across the pond after 15 months. I think you and I as commoners would say the same thing.
Same as Crypto. I don’t doubt it was tough marrying into the RF, however she is an out and out liar, with an absurdly grandiose level of self importance. I put her in the Amber Heard camp in terms of women giving other women a bad name. “Privacy” my fecking ar5e; she has manipulated the situation, including Harry (bless his heart, the blind, ignorant and somewhat damaged fool), to her own singular advantage, to profit from the connection with the RF and advance her status. She does not care who she treads on to get whatever she wants - and in that, I include Harry.
Scylla, thanks for the really good analysis of MM. Even when I try to isolate the psycho aspect, I do wonder where her PR campaigne is leading to and how will her kids have to deal with it. I feel sorry for them as their mother is creating a serious burden. Harry has obviously grown up without sufficient support and strong attachments to his dad or anyone else at RF. So, no wonder he got swayed by a chancer. This is not his excuse - just an explanation of how he ended up in this relationship. And he’ll live in this relationship and struggle in the end, possibly with depression when he realises that the grace period in the US has expired. Possibly, people like Serena Williams will distance themselves slowly from MM. What will their life be like when MM has fired all her PR ammunition at RF and no one takes her confessions seriously anymore?
I suspect they will follow in the footsteps of Wallis and Edward. It will eventually get to a point where the $$ runs out and they accept financial support from Charles in exchange for dignified silence.
I've said for a long time the lifestyle seems totally unaffordable based on what they both had before they got married and I fear they've borrowed against future revenue from Netflix, etc.
Whether she is narcissistic or not, she just seems completely out of her depth at whatever it is she's trying to achieve. Both of them really. It's a shame because they are a very commercially attractive couple, and can be quite charming. Perfect for a life of ribbon- cutting and glad-handing against a backdrop of mossy castles, garden parties and splendour.
Betty.. it would never even occur to a narcissist to do that, because it involves thinking about the motivations of others.
This is a fairly good article that talks about what goes on inside the head of a narcissist (if anyone is interested in understanding more).
Most articles are written from the perspective of helping people identify and avoid narcissists, but just try and put yourself into the shoes of someone who sees the world that way, and understand that it’s actually a serious mental handicap for how they deal with the world.
Then imagine putting someone with that fragile sense of self and reality under a microscope like Markle has been.
The reason I have some empathy for Markle here (especially if she is a narcissist) is because I grew up with a narcissistic parent.
I long ago had to come to terms with the fact that my parent was simply INCAPABLE of being any other way.
Asking her to change would have been like asking a paralysed man to walk. She simply did not have the capacity for it.
I’m not making excuses here. This behaviour is not acceptable, lies are not reality and this attitude is highly destructive to both the narcissist and others.
BUT.. they don’t do it on purpose they are simply not capable of behaving any other way.
She witters on about ambition and having to leave the royal family to achieve their mission. But what does she actually do? I can’t think of a single difference she has made that she couldn’t have done as a royal
Are they? He had about £15m from Diana some of which would have been spent before he met her and that would just about cover the cost of buying their current house (although I believe they have a loan). She had a net worth of a few million when she met him. They were promised big money by Netflix but that will be conditional on delivering and at least one of those projects has already been cancelled so they'll have a made a loss on that. They are still spending more than they are earning and even if you're loaded to start with it's not sustainable.
I don’t think they are loaded. How? They live a very expensive life. Although I suppose get a lot of freebies.
I know someone at a fashion house who said that while she was a royal she did not ask for freebies however (at that fashion house). Just bought the clothes.
Are they spending more than they are earning, I doubt it... They made no " loss" on the netflix deal. They have been given an advance and will be continue to be paid something relatively significant, no matter what.
Not if projects keep getting cancelled. They'll be paid an advance but their company will be paying the crew, etc. directly so if they don't deliver and they've spent more than the advance they are losing money. They won't be getting a salary from Netflix and will be paid on things they've made actually being aired and getting sufficient viewer numbers. It's always a punt being a production company as there's no guarantee of the price you'll be able to sell your product for.
Super interesting article Scy - I really didn’t know anything about it as a disorder. Honestly, and I’m sorry to say this, but it sounds like they would make the absolute worst kind of parent. It must have been so incredibly difficult for you as a child to bit by bit be let down by her and bit by bit become aware of the ways that she was failing you. You have done so well to (on your own) manage to get to a space where you can look at her with sympathy rather than anger. I don’t know that I’d have been able to move past resentment and/or anger personally.
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Seems to annoy all the right people and appears to be damaging the royal family in some way (so far as I can tell)
So, in summary, I’m in favour
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She does seem to have a spectacular opinion of her own significance. I suspect half the South African population didn't even know there was a royal wedding.
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All the people you would expect to hate a young, attractive non-white woman seem to hate her by default. I guess others have reasons too.
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She's probably an arse, but not a paedo or recipient of dodgy russian and ME cash in carrier bags, so she's hardly the worst in the firm. Seems to attract a lot of criticism from those who claim to be not a racist, but...
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41’s not young m7, sorry
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I don't dislike her I just put her in the same category as Gwyneth Paltrow with a massively inflated sense of her own importance which is lapped up by people who in years gone by would've been overjoyed every time the snake oil salesman was in town.
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Risky Jr says she looks young. He says his dad always used to hiss when she was in the papers and he would cut her eyes out and put the cut out eyes in a special box. He cried at that memory.
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"She is a clinical narc, isn't she?"
Not something helpful generally (you're weaponising mental illness), and unethical to speculate about, even for those with the qualifications to assess and diagnose psychological disorders
You can criticise behaviour, without weaponising mental health conditions for clout on the internet
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She is an actress and will be quite self absorbed. However watch the film Spencer which KS was excellent in. It’s masterful in portraying what happens to someone who doesn’t fit in within those circles. MM has recounted one thing that one may not agree with. So what.
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I had to look this up because it sounded preposterous, and even the Daily Mail says that sb told her that. She didn't describe the event that way herself. Sweet fvcking Jesus.
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No but she takes the word of one South African as gospel truth that that is what happened and that's how vital she is to reforming the royal family.
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Lol, she'd still be scum if she was white, old, ugly and a man. It's her character that was always the problem for people, not irrelevancies like the ethnicity of her mother.
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The Times story says that a South African cast member from the Lion King told her that at the London premiere, but then later they are pictured in RSA and the Times then says she was told that in South Africa. Odd
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The fact that she even related the Nelson Mandela comment (even if it is true which seems unlikely) shows that she is utterly narcissistic.
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She was warmly welcomed into the country. Totally blown it.
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Doubt it - if there's one thing "the firm" is good at, it's self-promotion...
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All just very boring now.
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Is it possible to think she is a bit of narcissist and self-important and to wish she would retire from public life without being accused of being either a racist or of hating her?
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Rofs leftist claque quick to dive in on this one I note
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She definitely shows all the hallmarks of being one …
obviously impossible to formally diagnose without being a psychiatrist and seeing her in person.
But the key tell for me is that she creates her own ‘reality’.
Her own version of events is her reality … even when it is often demonstrable at odds with the facts.
Like her claims she had nothing to do with releasing info for that book, or that she never lived with her sister, and that they got married before the big wedding… etc etc. all demonstrable false statements.
But if she is a narc then she genuinely believes that is how these things happened.
So she isn’t ‘lying’, she just exists in her own reality.
Hence the palace’s ‘recollections may vary’ statement. I suspect the RF have had professional advice on how to handle someone like her.. their approach at present is remarkably ‘grey rock’ if you are familiar with that term.
Which all honestly means things only get worse from here for everyone involved in this mess.
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You see her point though
what she went through, the inhuman abuse from the British public all whilst she was pregnant with Archie, just because of the colour of her skin
it has been as profound as Mandela leaving prison. British people have learnt that black peoples can marry white people in harmony - even at the top of society, it isn’t something just for us common folk.
it was like Obama getting elected president - but this was way more important. It’s not just about giving someone a position but actually making a black person part of a white person’s family, their genes, their heritage
and it shows her point again that she points out what she went through, how it changed people and society and those of us are still making these racist remarks exhibited on this thread
shame on you
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My view is not based on her skin colour at all.
I was genuinely happy when she married and I hoped they would be very happy together. I still do.
I don’t see how their current media strategy is going to get them there though.
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And the way she announced the pregnancy at Eugenies wedding was also classic narc behaviour.
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She and her husband do seem to be quite annoying, in the same way as any other celeb that wants to be left alone by the press but also wants to make a career out of being famous.
They are not however in the same ball park as Nonce Andrew, and being quite irritating does not justify racism. There is no doubt the tabloids went for her, because she's not white. Just like they encouraged people to vote for Brexit to keep the forriners out.
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What underwhelminglyobese said
We will talk of an era pre-Markle and an era post-Markle, she’s that important a figure.
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"being quite irritating does not justify racism."
Of course, and also is no basis for solicitors to assert boldly that others have psychological disorders, when solicitors have no qualifications in assessing and diagnosing psychological disorders, and there's no such thing as "classic x" as it pertains to mental illness, and assessing and diagnosing mental illnesses are both complex even for those qualified in each
Those with the the qualifications to assess and diagnose psychological disorders don't do this, and state clearly it's unethical when people weaponise mental illness, which is what solicitors are doing when they assert boldly that others have psychological disorders
This willful spreading of misinformation causes a lot of harm
It's entirely possibly to criticise behaviour, without weaponising mental illness It's entirely possible to criticise behaviour, without resorting to hyperbole and exaggeration that someone is a "classic x"
There is no doubt the tabloids went for her, because she's not white.
Nothing factual to suggest this is true, as things stand now It may well be that we come to learn stuff in future which shows it to be true, but we don't have that now, so we can't justify with evidence any claim of racism today
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Rumpole again misunderstands the entire purpose of a discussion board.
Also.. I had a Narc parent. I’ve had up close and personal view of what they are like and how they behave.
I’m entitled to have an opinion about it. As is every other person on this thread.
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It is possible to have an opinion on lots of things without having qualifications, I do it all the time and so does everyone.
I think it might rain
That suit looks cheap
He's a bad driver
Tabloids fuel racist views
All things I have expressed an opinion on today with zero qualifications in a relevant field. I'd arrest myself, if I had the qualifications of course.
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If the gossip is to be believed, she got Harry to cut off all his old friends which is a big red flag
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yeh, but his old friends was a big red flag, with a white circle and a swastika?
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Fair point, Jelly! But he does seem pretty cut off from anyone except her
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Personally I think Scylla’s 14:43 is extremely well-worded and her opinion is clearly evidenced. She is not having a go at Meghan in any way, just pointing out some things that were said that clearly weren’t factually correct and providing a very reasonable hypothesis for why this might be the case (based on her personal experience).
I thought it a good way to encourage empathy for Meghan and understand why the RF are being somewhat restrained.
Much more interesting to read in any case than Rumpole’s post.
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I'm sceptical about that rumour
He's a middle-aged adult male, who can be held responsible for his choices, and we don't have any factual evidence of manipulation between them thus far It may come to light in the future, but we don't have it yet
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Rumpole - can you help us with listing your own qualifications that permit you to opine so extensively, and with such prolixity, on here...?
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It’s amazing how she has managed to stimulate such debate
once just an actress with no education on suits
and now making lawyers argue amongst themselves on an online forum
the billables wasted from this dribble probably could have bought a reasonably sized African village
but I am glad she has had the intellectual temerity to challenge your racist beliefs
i do think this debate has created change and maybe Meghan has helped tomorrow’s children become a bit less racist than today’s
i let out some genuine sobs when I heard her tell the world that becoming a royal made her feel like a black woman for the first time
2022. When will it end
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She’s playing the same game everyone else does who relies on social media for a living. She’s made and asserted her own reality, and has to stick to it however absurd it is or makes her look. And it deffo makes her look like a narc faod. But she never stood a chance against Queen Kate.
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And ironically displaying some of the traits of NPD into the bargain...
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Thanks Jim.
As for …’thought it a good way to encourage empathy for Meghan’.
I actually do really feel for her, as I would for anyone thrust into that kind of pressure cooker/public role without any real understanding of what it would entail x racism x misogyny that she faces.
And if she is a narcissist then she finds herself in a really untenable position, with inescapable scrutiny of her every move/word etc .. which means the usual narcissistic playbook moves if triangulation and gaslighting won’t work for her as the media will simply call it out. Over and over again.
Also.. people forget that narcissists can’t help being narcissistic. It’s not something they choose to be or do consciously. It’s a personality disorder around how they perceive themselves, the world and their interactions with other and an accompanying set of behaviours designed to protect themselves.
It would make her particularly unsuited for a role in which she is constantly subject to intense public scrutiny.
Yet she has no real escape options other than becoming a total reclusive hermit… which narcissistic delusions of grandeur would make her equally unsuited for.
She really is stuck in a shitty situation with no off ramp.
And the fact that she has openly discussed being suicidal at times is hugely concerning.
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I also feel for the RF.
Because as anyone who has ever dealt with a genuine narcissist will tell you that there is no ‘winning’ possible .. and a narc will never compromise.
Narcissists are incapable of reconciling their ‘reality’ with objective facts or accepting any responsibility for their own actions.
and in this case.. neither Party can simply walk away.
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I actually feel the royal family get more popular every time she does this, there’s a limited amount of stuff she can now spout from now on without appearing even more unhinged. It’s devastating for the rf on a personal level watching their son, brother, grandson behave like this and side with Meghan but from a PR perspective given the papers hate Meghan it’s not too bad. I do reckon if Harry files for divorce the British public would welcome him back and she would be vilified further - when really he’s being a spoilt brat too.
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But as you say cakers it’s not just about the Press and PR.
This will have devastated internal family relationships.. and will mean Archie and Lilibet will never know any of their extended family on either side.
There is no winning for anyone.
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Cakers is absolutely correct , apart from Harr being a spoilt brat. He has been pussy whipped ( sorry)
No end of videos of late showing him looking and feeling incredibly uncomfortable when she is holding court. I said when they announced their engagement , on ITV who did a piece, the marriage would last 3-5 years.
His friends and family advised he was mad marrying a divorcee from across the pond after 15 months. I think you and I as commoners would say the same thing.
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Both Charles and Diana came from utterly disfunctional backgrounds, and created the same disfunctional environment for their own children
Harry has only known disfunctionality in relationships so no surprise that he thinks Meghan's antics as normal
Fortunately for William he married into a grounded, middle class family which he has now adopted
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Let’s just hope they can all find a way to be happy.
If i were Harry I’d go off-grid for a bit.
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Can’t go off grid. They need to make money!
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I’m not racist but she’s awful. Simply vile.
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Same as Crypto. I don’t doubt it was tough marrying into the RF, however she is an out and out liar, with an absurdly grandiose level of self importance. I put her in the Amber Heard camp in terms of women giving other women a bad name. “Privacy” my fecking ar5e; she has manipulated the situation, including Harry (bless his heart, the blind, ignorant and somewhat damaged fool), to her own singular advantage, to profit from the connection with the RF and advance her status. She does not care who she treads on to get whatever she wants - and in that, I include Harry.
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I didn't even know she was black until someone, probably her, told me.
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The RF is just as manipulative and tricksy. But it’s the RF so the country loves it.
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Which reminds me that LTPM may well in situ when the guard changes. Yet another indignity heaped upon HMQ
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The whole world loved Meghan when her and Harry were doing their Fab Four charity schtick with Kate and Wills.
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When I first saw Suits, when her onscreen (black) dad came on I thought “wow, I didn’t know Rachel was adopted”. 😀
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Yes I wasn't aware of her heritage until she brought it up. She still lives in a complete bubble which just inflates her belief in her own importance.
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Scylla, thanks for the really good analysis of MM. Even when I try to isolate the psycho aspect, I do wonder where her PR campaigne is leading to and how will her kids have to deal with it. I feel sorry for them as their mother is creating a serious burden. Harry has obviously grown up without sufficient support and strong attachments to his dad or anyone else at RF. So, no wonder he got swayed by a chancer. This is not his excuse - just an explanation of how he ended up in this relationship. And he’ll live in this relationship and struggle in the end, possibly with depression when he realises that the grace period in the US has expired. Possibly, people like Serena Williams will distance themselves slowly from MM. What will their life be like when MM has fired all her PR ammunition at RF and no one takes her confessions seriously anymore?
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If they divorce under Californian law she will presumably walk away with a bundle, same as Cleeses wife
Cleese still charging around the planet trying to pay off the divorce settlement at the age of 84
Markle will also get the kids
Sweet deal
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Not sure he has a bundle to give.
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Didn't he get £15m from Diana?
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i wonder what someone like prince Harry does all day. he only appeared happy for a while when he was in the army.
if only we could introduce him to rof
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I doubt they will ever divorce.
I suspect they will follow in the footsteps of Wallis and Edward. It will eventually get to a point where the $$ runs out and they accept financial support from Charles in exchange for dignified silence.
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she will turn to drink - mark my words - like the Bette Davis character in Dangerous (Dux will know it).
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She isn’t black she’s mixed race. My Ghanaian father laughs when she says she’s black. Honestly it’s just a tool to swindle.
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Even with the freebies, they must live a very expensive life. Can’t see $15m going very far.
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I've said for a long time the lifestyle seems totally unaffordable based on what they both had before they got married and I fear they've borrowed against future revenue from Netflix, etc.
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Jude, more Whatever Happened to Baby Jane, I feel
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Whether she is narcissistic or not, she just seems completely out of her depth at whatever it is she's trying to achieve. Both of them really. It's a shame because they are a very commercially attractive couple, and can be quite charming. Perfect for a life of ribbon- cutting and glad-handing against a backdrop of mossy castles, garden parties and splendour.
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I wonder how she distinguishes what she and Harry have done to the to the RF from what her own family did to her.
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Betty.. it would never even occur to a narcissist to do that, because it involves thinking about the motivations of others.
This is a fairly good article that talks about what goes on inside the head of a narcissist (if anyone is interested in understanding more).
Most articles are written from the perspective of helping people identify and avoid narcissists, but just try and put yourself into the shoes of someone who sees the world that way, and understand that it’s actually a serious mental handicap for how they deal with the world.
Then imagine putting someone with that fragile sense of self and reality under a microscope like Markle has been.
https://www.helpguide.org/articles/mental-disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder.htm
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The reason I have some empathy for Markle here (especially if she is a narcissist) is because I grew up with a narcissistic parent.
I long ago had to come to terms with the fact that my parent was simply INCAPABLE of being any other way.
Asking her to change would have been like asking a paralysed man to walk. She simply did not have the capacity for it.
I’m not making excuses here. This behaviour is not acceptable, lies are not reality and this attitude is highly destructive to both the narcissist and others.
BUT.. they don’t do it on purpose they are simply not capable of behaving any other way.
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Sizzler is right to say she is out of her depth.
She witters on about ambition and having to leave the royal family to achieve their mission. But what does she actually do? I can’t think of a single difference she has made that she couldn’t have done as a royal
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@sails they are fooking loaded .....
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Are they? He had about £15m from Diana some of which would have been spent before he met her and that would just about cover the cost of buying their current house (although I believe they have a loan). She had a net worth of a few million when she met him. They were promised big money by Netflix but that will be conditional on delivering and at least one of those projects has already been cancelled so they'll have a made a loss on that. They are still spending more than they are earning and even if you're loaded to start with it's not sustainable.
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I don’t think they are loaded. How? They live a very expensive life. Although I suppose get a lot of freebies.
I know someone at a fashion house who said that while she was a royal she did not ask for freebies however (at that fashion house). Just bought the clothes.
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Are they spending more than they are earning, I doubt it... They made no " loss" on the netflix deal. They have been given an advance and will be continue to be paid something relatively significant, no matter what.
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Not if projects keep getting cancelled. They'll be paid an advance but their company will be paying the crew, etc. directly so if they don't deliver and they've spent more than the advance they are losing money. They won't be getting a salary from Netflix and will be paid on things they've made actually being aired and getting sufficient viewer numbers. It's always a punt being a production company as there's no guarantee of the price you'll be able to sell your product for.
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Plus the Firm have been careful to ensure that they don't get any "money" shots eg HMTQ and their daughter together which Netflix will have wanted.
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Super interesting article Scy - I really didn’t know anything about it as a disorder. Honestly, and I’m sorry to say this, but it sounds like they would make the absolute worst kind of parent. It must have been so incredibly difficult for you as a child to bit by bit be let down by her and bit by bit become aware of the ways that she was failing you. You have done so well to (on your own) manage to get to a space where you can look at her with sympathy rather than anger. I don’t know that I’d have been able to move past resentment and/or anger personally.
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