i thought the point of the WW account was to start by saying something offensive but deniable (like his 08:21) to draw in all the other right wingers to agree with him, getting progressively more racist/sexist until finally he’s coming out with something indefensible (like his 07:45)
There has been no looting as yet WW. Christ I have seen your posts, are you unwell ? Keir Starmer only became a QC because "they " gave him a leg up. Priceless.
I don't agree with the faux-rage directed at WW. Or that directed at Trump. Sure, Trump's approach is a little wild westy, but looting is against the law, and Trump's known for his somewhat obtuse approach to law enforcement. I'm sure he doesn't actually mean we're going to shoot anyone who loots. He's just posturing in his usual way. That's his style. He's also come out and said that the killing of George was a "very sad event".
Well I've not followed WW's posts. I'm taking this thread out of context perhaps. But that's my view. I'm find the furore over each of Trump's "loose" statements ridiculous. Is anyone surprised that he can say something like that? He drinking disinfectant to cure rona ffs. lol
PP, don’t be daft. Theft by people in Brooks Brothers suits is called “entrepreneurship” and is to be encouraged. It’s only the small stuff done by folks in sports apparel that requires a quick shot to the head.
"I expect the officers to get serious jail time" - well, if you're comfortable that will happen, cheesetoastie, that's alright then, what can these damn fools be thinking!
Ah, that's better - normal service has been resumed!
Have a look at that one officers history.
Then tell me again how people should just trust in the “due process”
You don’t even need to look further at the utterly miserable catalogue of police brutality against people of colour in the US. But add that and tell them again to trust the process in a state where armed white supremacists get to storm state capitals to protest and those “very fine people” are ok to do so.
Why are bothering to post something so obvious as burning down a building is wrong cheese? I simply don't get it. Analysis of the cause of rioting and how it should be dealt with may be interesting but simply saying it is wrong - what is the point?
I think domestic violence is wrong, there I have said it.
And this in a country where a football player taking the knee evokes howls of outrage from white assholes. You think that due process is all that reliable?
youre either an utter naïf or being deliberately obtuse
But I am politely deriding your faith that "this will all turn out okay in the end", and your apparent bafflement at the inability to see that of the people who are at the epicentre of this, who have seen time and time again the failure of the "system" to protect their interests, who live the day to day reality that makes them know that this, literally, could have been one of them or their relatives / friends, who have had to scrape and bow to the likes of the officer who did the kneeling, just so that they can get about their business and not end up handcuffed, or in jail, or worse.
People who know that, had the incident not been recorded, the officers would almost certainly have got away with painting it as another big crazy black man losing his sh1t, who left them no choice but to employ the nuclear option, because no one (at least, no one with decision making ability) really would take too much convincing that that was the case, because we all know that The Black Man is inherently dangerous and uncontrollable, right?
So, of course, the looting and destruction and violence is appalling and, worse, self-defeating, but is it understandable? Absolutely.
I was responding to your surprise a) that people weren't quietly confident that this would turn out dandy, and b) that people were losing their sh1t with frustration.
Of course there must be due process blah blah blah - how about you give yourself a rest from hoisting yourself up on that high horse, and - seeing as you recognise that you are on a board of lawyers - you take it read that we all agree about that, and unless someone expressly says something to the contrary, none of our commentary on the situation should be taken as advocating that the officers should be dragged out of their beds and burned at the stake. These discussions are going to become extremely cumbersome if we all have to preface our comments with an appropriate disclaimer for your benefit, just to ensure that you don't do yourself an injury with all the frantic clutching of pearls.
By the way, how many people "murdered without consequences" is too many? At what point would you kindly permit people to feel that enough is enough and not have faith in the process - 3, 5, 10, 20? And, incidentally, you do know that being murdered by the police is not the only thing that people have to fear from the police, right?
This poor man's death is just the most egregious and extreme manifestation of what black men in the US especially have to live with daily, so I daresay they will happily tell you to, erm, kindly mind out of the way with your moralising, and blinkered bafflement that they are not playing by the rule book - the (American) world is far too ready to throw out the rule book when it comes to dealing with them so, y'know, right back atcha. Or something.
what cru said, but tbh I think it is very very difficult to comment from the UK on racial issues in the US. it’s just a completely different animal from anything you see here - and the level of anger and hostility when it’s even slightly challenged is breathtaking
Have a look at that one officers history.
Then tell me again how people should just trust in the “due process”
You don’t even need to look further at the utterly miserable catalogue of police brutality against people of colour in the US. But add that and tell them again to trust the process in a state where armed white supremacists get to storm state capitals to protest and those “very fine people” are ok to do so.
Wow, this cunter is justifying the riots. Real bad case of TDS here. Real bad.
What I want to know is why Obama and Biden didn't end this sort of stuff. I mean, they were amazing. Like Jesus in fact. Like a black and white Jesus double act who could have appealed to both races as one.
If only they had had 8 years or something to sort this stuff out. The USA doesn't need racists like Trump trying to stop riots!!
They need hope. They need the audacity of hope to cure this. They need OBAMA!!
Trump may not express himself very diplomatically,but he understands the above point and he is right about the solution. You have to stamp out violent riots immediately.
OH ABSOLUTELY: TRUMP WANTS THE MILITARY TO SHOOT THE UPPITY PROTESTERS BECAUSE HE CARES
BREAKING NEWS JUST IN: Morons discover that by nicking the latest pair of Air Jordans, it brings dead people back to life who have been murdered by cops. Keep on stealing people.
And remember - to us morally superior lefties, we expect you to behave this way. We have very low standards for you to live up to because we CARE so fucking much. If white people were rioting like this it would be UNACCEPTABLE but for you people, we look the other way, much like how we would excuse a toddler.
Lots of love and hugs from the caring, but never condescending left!
It is pretty racist to assume that if a black guy gets killed by the police other black people will respond by looting the property of others who were not involved.
Obviously anyone who does respond in that way does not deserve our sympathy.
It is pretty racist to assume that if a black guy gets killed by the police other black people will respond by looting the property of others who were not involved.
That's the way with the lefty. See my post above. They have very low expectations of the black community.
The outraged "black people" could have held a vigil with candles. Taken the knee en masse. Sang songs of hope and peace.
Instead, they're looting, rioting, and stealing Air Jordans.
It's a great way to honour their fallen brother. Afterall, these are "black people" and us Guardian reading caring leftie types don't expect anything better from "them". These are poor people. Poor because of what WE DID TO THEM (and when I say "we" I literally mean us, not our ancestors. I mean you! YOU IN GODALMING!! YOU DID THIS!! They have NO choice. Trump literally MADE them do this.
You are really determined to miss the point, aren't you toastie?
No one has said (at least, not that I have seen) that the looting and destruction is okay, and really, we all understand that it is entirely self-defeating (I believe I said this above, but I realise that cherry picking what you read is kind of your thing). This conversation started out about understanding why people may do what they do, without condoning that they do it. I didn't think it was so subtle a distinction that it needed spelling out, but apparently, such is your inability to comprehend basic ideas, that it does.
And, by the way, it is not RoF who sees black people as an "amorphous blob", it is - black people in the US feel - the police, and people in positions of power who seem to see them as an amorphous blob, and are unable or unwilling to apply distinction or differentiation and do not afford them the "luxury" of any sort of nuanced treatment.
That, you blithering idiot (that really is me being polite, my instinct is to call you something much worse) is very largely the point.
And, again, I remind you - being killed is NOT the only thing that they have to worry about, in fact, I will readily give you the fact that it is probably the least thing they have to worry about when it comes to police treatment, the fact that there is such a huge outcry about most deaths is, in itself, testament to the fact that they happen rarely enough to be so utterly shocking. But, remove your head from your arse for a few minutes, and you will see that the deaths are just the icing on the top of a very large, sh1t filled cake.
Sorry - you are right Toastie. From the Independent:
"Last year US police shot and killed 998 people, 11 more than the 987 they fatally shot in 2017. In 2016, police killed 963 people, and 995 in 2015."
In other stats however, black people are about 8 times more likely to be murdered than white people. But I cannot find how much more likely they are than whites to die at the hands of the police.
Oh look, the people accusing every one else of being racist (without a shred of evidence - which there isn't as there is no racism) are congratulating themselves on a job well done. Touching.
Looking at this in the round, it is if anything surprising that black people only make up 23% of those who die at the hands of the police, given they make up 37% of the prison population.
Anyone who can see the inevitable consequences of a society where, as Thuggy says, white militia can ponce around with semiautomatic weapons on utterly spurious grounds, while black men will be shot for the same thing or kneeled on to death for (maybe) trying to use a fake 20... anyone who bleats about due process when these things happen and people riot... Might I suggest that such a person is not very perceptive about how human nature works?
It is striking from the thread above just how thrilled some people are to accuse others of racism. They are positively wetting themselves with misplaced glee.
The reality is he will probably be acquitted in trial on some silly ground like it was part of his training and he was told you can stay like that forever without hurting your victim.
There was another case, where these two cops sprayed an armed mexican dude with 30 bullets, because he did not go down on his stomach. Walked away with full pension and pay because they were trained to countdown and if suspect did not comply - use lethal force. Some shit like that.
"... like it was part of his training" - I think, just about the one thing everyone seems to agree on is that the knee on neck manoeuvre was all his own work.
Police are always acquitted when they kill someone.
Remember the cops who shot an entirely innocent and unarmed man in Trafalgar Square, many times, because they thought he was someone else? Not attempted murder, oh no. Self defence, even though the bloke had done nothing except sit in a car.
well this thread got out of hand pretty quickly. Why is rof such a hotbed of nightmare opinions?
We should just be careful about drawing conclusions as to the nature of the USA as a whole based on those cases.
yes let’s just be careful. Very careful. Let’s not assume any racism when watching that video - i mean it could just be a police officer carrying out his duty to the public. who knows?
The George Loyd looks like manslaughter or murder to me (I am not a criminal lawyer), but I know nothing about the office. It does not necessarily follow that he is (a) racist; (b) killed Floyd in a racially motivated attack.
no of course it doesn’t follow at all. Can we all be clear that we don’t know anything and there’s no systemic issue happening here - maybe it’s just one bad seed!
If we could please ignore any other issues - maybe focus on King George’s statistics above? - and by the way have you heard people are looting?? I mean that’s property damage!! What’s a dead innocent black man in comparison?
I would not be at all surprised to learn that the officer is in fact a massive racist. Equally, I would I’m not be surprised if he is just a bully who likes abusing his authority and acting "tough".
I mean it *could* be racism. It *could* be.
but maybe the US state kills innocent black people because individual cops just think they’re “tough” or something and maybe he has issues himself? Maybe he’s just a “bully” - ugh, like those we dealt with in prep school, right chaps?
people seem to forget that the French Revolution started as riots and looting.
Frankly after watching that video and that bitch with the dog in Central Park, and the black delivery drivers being harassed when reliving in white neighbourhoods... I’d happily contribute to a go fund me for a guillotine.
Not for this officer but just for the revolution at large.
Actually I have a very good sense of history and am referring to the current practice of groups like the CBP and the mandatory detention of immigrants/asylum seekers and children.
a State in which 2 year old children are expected to represent themselves in court while being locked in a cage with zero is a brutal police state
The US ought to e a pariah state, the way its government currently conducts business.
I like almost all of the individual Americans I know, take them as I find them, and I have enjoyed more than my fair share of American culture, visiting on a number of occasions and enjoying it. However, the current way the political entity conducts itself? No thanks.
I would fully support members of this administration being hauled before The Hague for crimes against humanity not only for what they are doing at home but for also shit like selling out the Kurds. That was a war crime done solely to protect Trumps and Kushner. I have no doubt Turkey blackmailed them over both business interests and Jamal K.
not without mutually assured destruction. Kushners father ended up in jail for filming his brother in law having sex and then sending it to his own sister to see her husband fvcking another woman.
Kushner knows this game and he will have assured that he has the goods on Trump.
Journalist friend of mine from the US reporting that fires in Minneapolis are being started by 3 groups: anarchists, white nationalists and rioting black youth.
It appears that the preliminary autopsy of Floyd has concluded there was no evidence of strangulation or asphyxiation and the cause of death likely to be an underlying heart condition triggered by the stress of the confrontation and being arrested?
Kushner has been completely inept in all his dealings so far. There’s no evidence he’s anything more than a monied scion. With luck of course they will all die in gaol but it can’t be guaranteed.
The underlying condition excuse is not going to stop the burning.
Hopefully stuff like the community’s efforts towards calm ( see killer “ speech) will begin to have an effect .
The White House statement about military being on standby scared the shoite out of me .Any one else flash the image of the demonstration on the bridge being put down in series 1 of Handmaids Tale?
Re trump it's impossible to get genuinely damming dirt on him- because of the debasement of the US system at the moment. The GOP and fox news will back him no matter what. The Mueller fiasco and the Barr situation shows the DOJ won't do anything. Impeachment only option and impossible to achieve- even if the dems win the house and senate.
I think if there were direct evidence clearly linking him to the rape of minors... like one of the rumoured videos Epstein had of all his ‘friends’ ... or tapes showing he had direct knowledge of the saudis killing Jamal... or tapes in which he directly negotiated personal business benefits with Turkey for selling out the Kurds..
Also. The GOP are currently staring at polling which is telling them they will lose their senate majority and the White House.
They may make a last minute break with him to try and stem those losses.
Lindsay Graham is currently begging any conservative federal court judge over the age of 60 to retire so they can be replaced by this senate. Because they know it is their last chance to stack the deck.
Won’t work Scylla. Unless the economy tanks even more badly than it did since March and/or virus hits in a genuinely devastating second wave, Trump is going to win.
Biden is utterly useless. He’s getting on for senility and has already alienated a lot of black voters before we even start talking about the credible sexual assault allegations.
I know the polls have him in front but they had Hillary in front too (plus there’s still months to go and Trump hasn’t started serious campaigning yet).
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Eh
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WW fair play - for a few weeks you had me fooled I’ll admit it recently you have been overplaying your hand though
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If RoF had the capability, I'm sure WW would have flags next to his poster name.
Just here for the bantz?
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so you all agree that looting is a justifiable response and the police should just allow people to get on with it and "get it out their system"?
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what are you goung to do today daddy?
today, my boy, I am going to be a twat on the internet
what sort of twat daddy?
a massive racist one
thats nice daddy
sure is, son, now move out of the way, I am going to look in the mirror and tense my mucles
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i thought the point of the WW account was to start by saying something offensive but deniable (like his 08:21) to draw in all the other right wingers to agree with him, getting progressively more racist/sexist until finally he’s coming out with something indefensible (like his 07:45)
if he’s just a troll he’s a lot less interesting
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There has been no looting as yet WW. Christ I have seen your posts, are you unwell ? Keir Starmer only became a QC because "they " gave him a leg up. Priceless.
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I don't agree with the faux-rage directed at WW. Or that directed at Trump. Sure, Trump's approach is a little wild westy, but looting is against the law, and Trump's known for his somewhat obtuse approach to law enforcement. I'm sure he doesn't actually mean we're going to shoot anyone who loots. He's just posturing in his usual way. That's his style. He's also come out and said that the killing of George was a "very sad event".
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It’s not rage, just “here we fucking go again”.
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Well I've not followed WW's posts. I'm taking this thread out of context perhaps. But that's my view. I'm find the furore over each of Trump's "loose" statements ridiculous. Is anyone surprised that he can say something like that? He drinking disinfectant to cure rona ffs. lol
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Sorry, have you just claimed there’s been no looting in the US over this police murder ebitda?
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Well, Trump and his family have been looting the country for the past few years ...
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PP, don’t be daft. Theft by people in Brooks Brothers suits is called “entrepreneurship” and is to be encouraged. It’s only the small stuff done by folks in sports apparel that requires a quick shot to the head.
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Trump is not going to like what Twitter did with that post lol
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Good to see [Walter]WhiteSupremacy back on form.
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what issue do you have with my post?
I said the initial killing of the guy was murder.
I said looting as a response was not justified
I said the police/authorities should be able to stop the lootings/riots with appropriate force.
What is wrong with any of that?
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Oh please. Spare us the po faced alt right cowardly denials. Own your racism and fuck off.
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His milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
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What is your point cheese?
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"I expect the officers to get serious jail time" - well, if you're comfortable that will happen, cheesetoastie, that's alright then, what can these damn fools be thinking!
Ah, that's better - normal service has been resumed!
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A few people seem to struggle with the concept of the breakdown of society - pay attention as this is what it looks like.
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Have a look at that one officers history.
Then tell me again how people should just trust in the “due process”
You don’t even need to look further at the utterly miserable catalogue of police brutality against people of colour in the US. But add that and tell them again to trust the process in a state where armed white supremacists get to storm state capitals to protest and those “very fine people” are ok to do so.
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Why are bothering to post something so obvious as burning down a building is wrong cheese? I simply don't get it. Analysis of the cause of rioting and how it should be dealt with may be interesting but simply saying it is wrong - what is the point?
I think domestic violence is wrong, there I have said it.
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And this in a country where a football player taking the knee evokes howls of outrage from white assholes. You think that due process is all that reliable?
youre either an utter naïf or being deliberately obtuse
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‘And this in a country where a football player taking the knee’
*pages Chambo*
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This officer has had 18 complaints against him for violence and two disciplinaries...
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Cheese rather ironically they want a lynch mob to simply take the officer straight to death row because it's such a clear case of police murder.
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No, of course I'm not defending the looters.
But I am politely deriding your faith that "this will all turn out okay in the end", and your apparent bafflement at the inability to see that of the people who are at the epicentre of this, who have seen time and time again the failure of the "system" to protect their interests, who live the day to day reality that makes them know that this, literally, could have been one of them or their relatives / friends, who have had to scrape and bow to the likes of the officer who did the kneeling, just so that they can get about their business and not end up handcuffed, or in jail, or worse.
People who know that, had the incident not been recorded, the officers would almost certainly have got away with painting it as another big crazy black man losing his sh1t, who left them no choice but to employ the nuclear option, because no one (at least, no one with decision making ability) really would take too much convincing that that was the case, because we all know that The Black Man is inherently dangerous and uncontrollable, right?
So, of course, the looting and destruction and violence is appalling and, worse, self-defeating, but is it understandable? Absolutely.
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100% what she said
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The police just arrested the CNN crew live on air for no reason. Whack jobs.
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that they routinely go around murdering black people with no consequences whatsoever.
Err, they absolutely do. Like, really they do.
Honestly I think you're showing serious ignorance on quite how corrupt and racist American policing is. It is beyond belief.
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Oh, do climb off your high horse, cheesetoastie!
I was responding to your surprise a) that people weren't quietly confident that this would turn out dandy, and b) that people were losing their sh1t with frustration.
Of course there must be due process blah blah blah - how about you give yourself a rest from hoisting yourself up on that high horse, and - seeing as you recognise that you are on a board of lawyers - you take it read that we all agree about that, and unless someone expressly says something to the contrary, none of our commentary on the situation should be taken as advocating that the officers should be dragged out of their beds and burned at the stake. These discussions are going to become extremely cumbersome if we all have to preface our comments with an appropriate disclaimer for your benefit, just to ensure that you don't do yourself an injury with all the frantic clutching of pearls.
By the way, how many people "murdered without consequences" is too many? At what point would you kindly permit people to feel that enough is enough and not have faith in the process - 3, 5, 10, 20? And, incidentally, you do know that being murdered by the police is not the only thing that people have to fear from the police, right?
This poor man's death is just the most egregious and extreme manifestation of what black men in the US especially have to live with daily, so I daresay they will happily tell you to, erm, kindly mind out of the way with your moralising, and blinkered bafflement that they are not playing by the rule book - the (American) world is far too ready to throw out the rule book when it comes to dealing with them so, y'know, right back atcha. Or something.
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Point to the racism please or fuck off you deranged Trump hating fool.
The problem with people with Trump Derangement Syndrome is it turns otherwise normal people into demented window lickers.
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what cru said, but tbh I think it is very very difficult to comment from the UK on racial issues in the US. it’s just a completely different animal from anything you see here - and the level of anger and hostility when it’s even slightly challenged is breathtaking
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Trump not accepting this is RACIST don't you know? I read it on this very board.
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Wow, this cunter is justifying the riots. Real bad case of TDS here. Real bad.
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What I want to know is why Obama and Biden didn't end this sort of stuff. I mean, they were amazing. Like Jesus in fact. Like a black and white Jesus double act who could have appealed to both races as one.
If only they had had 8 years or something to sort this stuff out. The USA doesn't need racists like Trump trying to stop riots!!
They need hope. They need the audacity of hope to cure this. They need OBAMA!!
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OH ABSOLUTELY: TRUMP WANTS THE MILITARY TO SHOOT THE UPPITY PROTESTERS BECAUSE HE CARES
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what cheesetoastie said. plus heh
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BREAKING NEWS JUST IN: Morons discover that by nicking the latest pair of Air Jordans, it brings dead people back to life who have been murdered by cops. Keep on stealing people.
And remember - to us morally superior lefties, we expect you to behave this way. We have very low standards for you to live up to because we CARE so fucking much. If white people were rioting like this it would be UNACCEPTABLE but for you people, we look the other way, much like how we would excuse a toddler.
Lots of love and hugs from the caring, but never condescending left!
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It is pretty racist to assume that if a black guy gets killed by the police other black people will respond by looting the property of others who were not involved.
Obviously anyone who does respond in that way does not deserve our sympathy.
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That's the way with the lefty. See my post above. They have very low expectations of the black community.
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BREXIT you are massively winding up all the right people - keep up the good work.
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the tragedy of BREXITBREXIT is that he hides his true views as "parody" because he is too weak to say them as himself.
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heh @ the board's not racist all-stars coming out to prove resoundingly that they are definitely not racists
we just need OGR to re-emerge for a star turn
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still waiting for the "racism" to be identified here.
Of course, we will be waiting a long time because there is none.
The lefts MO is just to scream racism loudly despite not having any evidence of it.
A tiresome lot indeed.
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Has the 4chan Incel sub board gone down or something?
Dont bother talking to me WW. I don’t engage with bad faith posters.
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WalterWhitePower reads like a daily mail commenter. Are you actually a lawyer?
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er, the only people suggesting that anyone is saying that black people “cannot help themselves from rioting” are the racists on here.
HTH.
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Ahh, the final post of the loser - with nothing to say and no evidence to back it up.
"I'm taking my ball home!!! [stamps feet] Orange man bad!!! Mummy!!!! ORANGE MAN BAD!!!!!!!
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Cheesetoastie -
The outraged "black people" could have held a vigil with candles. Taken the knee en masse. Sang songs of hope and peace.
Instead, they're looting, rioting, and stealing Air Jordans.
It's a great way to honour their fallen brother. Afterall, these are "black people" and us Guardian reading caring leftie types don't expect anything better from "them". These are poor people. Poor because of what WE DID TO THEM (and when I say "we" I literally mean us, not our ancestors. I mean you! YOU IN GODALMING!! YOU DID THIS!! They have NO choice. Trump literally MADE them do this.
If you disagree you are RACIST!
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You are really determined to miss the point, aren't you toastie?
No one has said (at least, not that I have seen) that the looting and destruction is okay, and really, we all understand that it is entirely self-defeating (I believe I said this above, but I realise that cherry picking what you read is kind of your thing). This conversation started out about understanding why people may do what they do, without condoning that they do it. I didn't think it was so subtle a distinction that it needed spelling out, but apparently, such is your inability to comprehend basic ideas, that it does.
And, by the way, it is not RoF who sees black people as an "amorphous blob", it is - black people in the US feel - the police, and people in positions of power who seem to see them as an amorphous blob, and are unable or unwilling to apply distinction or differentiation and do not afford them the "luxury" of any sort of nuanced treatment.
That, you blithering idiot (that really is me being polite, my instinct is to call you something much worse) is very largely the point.
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this is just cruel on poor cheesie and georgy boy.
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BREXITBREXIT triggering all the right people again
At least we know who the real snowflakes are
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I beg your pardon : "monolithic blob".
And, again, I remind you - being killed is NOT the only thing that they have to worry about, in fact, I will readily give you the fact that it is probably the least thing they have to worry about when it comes to police treatment, the fact that there is such a huge outcry about most deaths is, in itself, testament to the fact that they happen rarely enough to be so utterly shocking. But, remove your head from your arse for a few minutes, and you will see that the deaths are just the icing on the top of a very large, sh1t filled cake.
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Around 7500 black people are murdered each year in the USA.
In 90% of cases the murderer is also black.
About 1100 black people die in the USA each year at the hands of the police.
Make of this what you will.
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Sorry - you are right Toastie. From the Independent:
"Last year US police shot and killed 998 people, 11 more than the 987 they fatally shot in 2017. In 2016, police killed 963 people, and 995 in 2015."
In other stats however, black people are about 8 times more likely to be murdered than white people. But I cannot find how much more likely they are than whites to die at the hands of the police.
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Found it! 23% of those who die at the hands of the police are black vs 12% black in the general population.
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Oh look, the people accusing every one else of being racist (without a shred of evidence - which there isn't as there is no racism) are congratulating themselves on a job well done. Touching.
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"Around 7500 black people are murdered each year in the USA.
In 90% of cases the murderer is also black.
About 1100 black people die in the USA each year at the hands of the police.
Make of this what you will."
It's coz they're racist innit.
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Those statistics above refer to people SHOT and killed by police.
Not all people who die in police custody are shot.. this chap wasn’t.
So how many people are just ‘killed’ by police?
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Loving BREXITBREXIT's work in here. The incels are a-frothing.
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Looking at this in the round, it is if anything surprising that black people only make up 23% of those who die at the hands of the police, given they make up 37% of the prison population.
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Quite right Scylla. It looks like there are about another 100 or so killed by the police each year by means other than shooting.
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"I am suspending my "don't be rude" policy for a while.... you are never going to be lauded as the new Swift."
Heh! A dead sheep would savage more effectively than this.
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Anyone who can see the inevitable consequences of a society where, as Thuggy says, white militia can ponce around with semiautomatic weapons on utterly spurious grounds, while black men will be shot for the same thing or kneeled on to death for (maybe) trying to use a fake 20... anyone who bleats about due process when these things happen and people riot... Might I suggest that such a person is not very perceptive about how human nature works?
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*can't
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It is striking from the thread above just how thrilled some people are to accuse others of racism. They are positively wetting themselves with misplaced glee.
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Cheesetoastie a lot of that data is simply not collected or available. The USA is too decentralised and too many police forces etc.
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it's what gets them off. that and recycling.
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Not defending but institutional police racism in America today I see cheesetoastie
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He's been charged with Murder....
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Yawn!! poor fella!!
The reality is he will probably be acquitted in trial on some silly ground like it was part of his training and he was told you can stay like that forever without hurting your victim.
There was another case, where these two cops sprayed an armed mexican dude with 30 bullets, because he did not go down on his stomach. Walked away with full pension and pay because they were trained to countdown and if suspect did not comply - use lethal force. Some shit like that.
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"... like it was part of his training" - I think, just about the one thing everyone seems to agree on is that the knee on neck manoeuvre was all his own work.
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Police are always acquitted when they kill someone.
Remember the cops who shot an entirely innocent and unarmed man in Trafalgar Square, many times, because they thought he was someone else? Not attempted murder, oh no. Self defence, even though the bloke had done nothing except sit in a car.
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well this thread got out of hand pretty quickly. Why is rof such a hotbed of nightmare opinions?
yes let’s just be careful. Very careful. Let’s not assume any racism when watching that video - i mean it could just be a police officer carrying out his duty to the public. who knows?
no of course it doesn’t follow at all. Can we all be clear that we don’t know anything and there’s no systemic issue happening here - maybe it’s just one bad seed!
If we could please ignore any other issues - maybe focus on King George’s statistics above? - and by the way have you heard people are looting?? I mean that’s property damage!! What’s a dead innocent black man in comparison?
I mean it *could* be racism. It *could* be.
but maybe the US state kills innocent black people because individual cops just think they’re “tough” or something and maybe he has issues himself? Maybe he’s just a “bully” - ugh, like those we dealt with in prep school, right chaps?
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Ah you are enjoying yourself signalling your virtue there "feelingchill" eh!
You are brilliant at mocking people for things they did not say and did not mean.
Well done you! Nice to have an incident like this to give you an excuse to parade your self-righteousness.
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ugh
yes KG, very enjoyable.
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Re-read your previous post Chill, analyse its non-sequiturs and unfair attributions, and hang your head in shame.
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Done - I feel fine actually
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oh chz
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I HAVE TO SAY THAT I AGREE WITH CHEESETOASTIE: WE MUSTN’T - WE SIMPLY MUSTN’T!! - SAY THAT RACE PLAYED ANY ROLE IN THIS
AND LET ME BE CLEAR, I ABHOR RACISM...
... BUT PROPERTY DAMAGE IS PROPERTY DAMAGE: SEND IN THE MILITARY TO CRUSH THE UPPITY PROTESTERS AND SHOOT TO KILL
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people seem to forget that the French Revolution started as riots and looting.
Frankly after watching that video and that bitch with the dog in Central Park, and the black delivery drivers being harassed when reliving in white neighbourhoods... I’d happily contribute to a go fund me for a guillotine.
Not for this officer but just for the revolution at large.
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the ruling classes decry looting and riots because it damages their wealth... not because they give a shit about the underlying causes.
the US has essentially become a brutal police state... white people just haven’t experienced it yet.
there was a telling video taken recently where a white woman at a police stop decided she didn’t have to comply .https://youtu.be/7lj8knsKDHY..
her attorneys are claiming that the officers behaviour was egregiously out of order.
if she was black she wouldn’t have been tased.. she would be dead.
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Actually I have a very good sense of history and am referring to the current practice of groups like the CBP and the mandatory detention of immigrants/asylum seekers and children.
a State in which 2 year old children are expected to represent themselves in court while being locked in a cage with zero is a brutal police state
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*zero legal support or adult supervision and care
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The US ought to e a pariah state, the way its government currently conducts business.
I like almost all of the individual Americans I know, take them as I find them, and I have enjoyed more than my fair share of American culture, visiting on a number of occasions and enjoying it. However, the current way the political entity conducts itself? No thanks.
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Same Laz.
I would fully support members of this administration being hauled before The Hague for crimes against humanity not only for what they are doing at home but for also shit like selling out the Kurds. That was a war crime done solely to protect Trumps and Kushner. I have no doubt Turkey blackmailed them over both business interests and Jamal K.
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I wonder when trump will throw Kushner under the bus. Aryan mobsters and jewish financiers don’t have a great history in partnerships.
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He won’t.
Or can’t.
not without mutually assured destruction. Kushners father ended up in jail for filming his brother in law having sex and then sending it to his own sister to see her husband fvcking another woman.
Kushner knows this game and he will have assured that he has the goods on Trump.
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Journalist friend of mine from the US reporting that fires in Minneapolis are being started by 3 groups: anarchists, white nationalists and rioting black youth.
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It appears that the preliminary autopsy of Floyd has concluded there was no evidence of strangulation or asphyxiation and the cause of death likely to be an underlying heart condition triggered by the stress of the confrontation and being arrested?
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Kushner has been completely inept in all his dealings so far. There’s no evidence he’s anything more than a monied scion. With luck of course they will all die in gaol but it can’t be guaranteed.
The underlying condition excuse is not going to stop the burning.
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Hopefully stuff like the community’s efforts towards calm ( see killer “ speech) will begin to have an effect .
The White House statement about military being on standby scared the shoite out of me .Any one else flash the image of the demonstration on the bridge being put down in series 1 of Handmaids Tale?
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Kushner is totally inept.
But Trump is a fbcking idiot. It wouldn’t be too hard to get hold of some properly damning dirt on him.
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Re trump it's impossible to get genuinely damming dirt on him- because of the debasement of the US system at the moment. The GOP and fox news will back him no matter what. The Mueller fiasco and the Barr situation shows the DOJ won't do anything. Impeachment only option and impossible to achieve- even if the dems win the house and senate.
Long as he's in office he's bullet proof.
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I think if there were direct evidence clearly linking him to the rape of minors... like one of the rumoured videos Epstein had of all his ‘friends’ ... or tapes showing he had direct knowledge of the saudis killing Jamal... or tapes in which he directly negotiated personal business benefits with Turkey for selling out the Kurds..
that would be sufficiently damning. Regardless
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Also. The GOP are currently staring at polling which is telling them they will lose their senate majority and the White House.
They may make a last minute break with him to try and stem those losses.
Lindsay Graham is currently begging any conservative federal court judge over the age of 60 to retire so they can be replaced by this senate. Because they know it is their last chance to stack the deck.
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Won’t work Scylla. Unless the economy tanks even more badly than it did since March and/or virus hits in a genuinely devastating second wave, Trump is going to win.
Biden is utterly useless. He’s getting on for senility and has already alienated a lot of black voters before we even start talking about the credible sexual assault allegations.
I know the polls have him in front but they had Hillary in front too (plus there’s still months to go and Trump hasn’t started serious campaigning yet).
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