It's sinister when your only source of information about it is a conspiracy pushing grifter who sows disinformation to stoke fears and gain views / engagement and profits from dumb people.
I gather that if you're from a big US city and live in one of those ghetto style picket fence suburbs and you're used to slogging 40 minutes in heavy traffic to an over crowded doctors surgery in some horrible retail park and your whole live has been built around sitting in your car, then your brain might snap at the idea that you could have a street within walking distance of your home that you can go to
but logically it makes no sense to freak out about that, so you need to build it into a conspiracy to fence off towns in 15 minute walkable increments (which apart from being mental, is just not physically or economically possible - ask any border guard)
and then trying to transplant that thinking into the UK, where the construction of towns and cities is different to the US in the first place and where people actually hand wring over "the death of the high street" doubles up the mentalness
I can only guess that having shot themselves in the face with brexit and being unable to point at the EU as the root of all evil they are casting around for anything else to blame, which is kind of a good thing if you want them to get even more hammered in the next election
because in a situation where most people are worried about things like the nhs, schools and cost of living, the party that is saying "you must drive and drive only at least 30 minutes to access basic public services" isn't going to do well
Fook no. Being able to walk to the doctors, to the shops, to your kids' schools, to pretty much all the things you need in daily life - some folks pay well to live in an area that lets them do this.
If I understand it correctly, the microchip that Bill Gates delivered into my brain by the Covid vaccine is tied to the 5G masts inside my designated 15-minute enclave and if I stray outside without paying the ULEZ charge it will explode inside my head, so yeah pretty sinister.
CONSERVATIVES NEED TO STAND UP AGAINST THIS MADNESS AND PROMISE THE BRITISH PEOPLE THAT THEY WILL ARRANGE IT SO THAT YOUR LOCAL GP WILL BE AT LEAST A 30 MINUTE DRIVE AWAY FROM WHERE YOU LIVE AND YOU EXPERIENCE PURE FREEDOM AS YOU DRIVE THERE AND BACK (POTENTIALLY WITH A SICK CHILD IN THE BACK OF THE CAR)!!
American cities and towns are designed entirely so you are car dependent. You'd wonder which powerful lobby group created that scenario.
You have to drive 30 - 40 minutes from your house, sit in traffic for most of it, get to the strip mall, walk the 30 minutes from where you parked into a Walmart that takes 30 minutes to walk just one aisle and there's 20 of them. That's freedom.
Seems to be basically good urban planning on the basis of a fairly traditional European conception of what a city is rather than lots of crap outside that you have to drive to.
My anti vacc conspiracy theorist neighbour tried to give me a lecture on how I would be prevented from driving to golf. I am not a golfer. Her understanding is flawed on every level. Scary.
Dusseldorf quite often refers to its self as a 10 minute city, its not really a policy its a (German) joke. it's a city of 500k people with an amazing tram network. Parking is possible in the town centre but very expensive. Everyone uses the public transport from cleaners to CEOs.
dbf 10 mins is an exaggeration but I can get virtually anywhere by tram in the city in 15 mins.
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I note he’s MP for somewhere nowhere near a city
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like all the remaining conseevatives
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The motivation for them is.
Lots of little depraved men in county councils who got a real taste for coercion and curtailing liberties during lockdown and want those powers back.
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er, clearly incorrect
anyone else want a go
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It's sinister when your only source of information about it is a conspiracy pushing grifter who sows disinformation to stoke fears and gain views / engagement and profits from dumb people.
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I’d much rather drive for half an hour to access basic amenities than be FORCED to walk 10-15 mins.
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Ok back at you — what are the upsides? You can buy everything online now anyway
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Does anyone on here consider fifteen minute cities “sinister”?
Sir Woke XR Re… 10 Oct 23 10:12
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I gather that if you're from a big US city and live in one of those ghetto style picket fence suburbs and you're used to slogging 40 minutes in heavy traffic to an over crowded doctors surgery in some horrible retail park and your whole live has been built around sitting in your car, then your brain might snap at the idea that you could have a street within walking distance of your home that you can go to
but logically it makes no sense to freak out about that, so you need to build it into a conspiracy to fence off towns in 15 minute walkable increments (which apart from being mental, is just not physically or economically possible - ask any border guard)
and then trying to transplant that thinking into the UK, where the construction of towns and cities is different to the US in the first place and where people actually hand wring over "the death of the high street" doubles up the mentalness
I can only guess that having shot themselves in the face with brexit and being unable to point at the EU as the root of all evil they are casting around for anything else to blame, which is kind of a good thing if you want them to get even more hammered in the next election
because in a situation where most people are worried about things like the nhs, schools and cost of living, the party that is saying "you must drive and drive only at least 30 minutes to access basic public services" isn't going to do well
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who cares what the upsides are? the question is, do you believe they are sinister and if so why
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IT IS INCREDIBLY SINISTER!!
THEY THINK THAT I SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO SHOPS AND SERVICES WITHIN 15 MINUTES BY FOOT OR BICYCLE OF MY HOME!!
TOTALITARIANISM! MIND CONTROL! NEW WORLD ORDER! ILLUMINATI! COMMUNISM!
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Fook no. Being able to walk to the doctors, to the shops, to your kids' schools, to pretty much all the things you need in daily life - some folks pay well to live in an area that lets them do this.
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If I understand it correctly, the microchip that Bill Gates delivered into my brain by the Covid vaccine is tied to the 5G masts inside my designated 15-minute enclave and if I stray outside without paying the ULEZ charge it will explode inside my head, so yeah pretty sinister.
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One of the things that comes to my mind is the conspiracy requires a well organised government and police. LOL
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Looking at my usual googlemaps monthly summary of activity I doubt I'd notice the difference, for while at least
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CONSERVATIVES NEED TO STAND UP AGAINST THIS MADNESS AND PROMISE THE BRITISH PEOPLE THAT THEY WILL ARRANGE IT SO THAT YOUR LOCAL GP WILL BE AT LEAST A 30 MINUTE DRIVE AWAY FROM WHERE YOU LIVE AND YOU EXPERIENCE PURE FREEDOM AS YOU DRIVE THERE AND BACK (POTENTIALLY WITH A SICK CHILD IN THE BACK OF THE CAR)!!
VOTE CONSERVATIVE!!
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Yes BREXIT, London also needs more useless barely used cycle lanes to restrict the traffic more so that same journey takes an hour.
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Victim cosplayers basically writing themselves fresh fan-fiction
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does anyone else watch "Not Just Bikes"?
American cities and towns are designed entirely so you are car dependent. You'd wonder which powerful lobby group created that scenario.
You have to drive 30 - 40 minutes from your house, sit in traffic for most of it, get to the strip mall, walk the 30 minutes from where you parked into a Walmart that takes 30 minutes to walk just one aisle and there's 20 of them. That's freedom.
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I think it’s (extreme) right wing code for ‘banning driving’
See also: carbon tax means you will be forced to be a bug muncher or vegan
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See also:
ownership of them doespeople do1
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Seems to be basically good urban planning on the basis of a fairly traditional European conception of what a city is rather than lots of crap outside that you have to drive to.
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15 minute cities always was and will always remain an excellent idea
If you are designing a city now you make it a 15 minute city
Wonderful
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My anti vacc conspiracy theorist neighbour tried to give me a lecture on how I would be prevented from driving to golf. I am not a golfer. Her understanding is flawed on every level. Scary.
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Rishi Sunak will be announcing an end to this ban on driving to golf imminently.
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Dusseldorf quite often refers to its self as a 10 minute city, its not really a policy its a (German) joke. it's a city of 500k people with an amazing tram network. Parking is possible in the town centre but very expensive. Everyone uses the public transport from cleaners to CEOs.
dbf 10 mins is an exaggeration but I can get virtually anywhere by tram in the city in 15 mins.
Its no hardship, its a real pleasure.
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Being able to get back to yer gaff to take an unexpected dump in your own surroundings seems a very sound basis for town planning.
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If you don't have this level of convenience, then what on earth is the point of living in a city.
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Marshall actually raises a great point
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