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Have you eschewed the leaks? Are you waiting patiently?

What will history say about this stuff? Melody lines that are flat, perfect for half singing on the walk onstage or even on a treadmill. Victim claiming lyrics. Effing auto tuned vocals. Obvs on the cover she’s lying in her pants. Just because. And now a mush of noughties indie folk with doubled vocals just to be sure. Oh but she’s a genius. Is this the world we created? What did we do it for?

The song she did with Bon Iver was amazing. She's fine, not great. Admire what's she's achieved. And she annoys risky and is nasty ilk. Big winner for me, Clive. 

not a fan and I think it's the most bland pop (all today's is very bland and formulaic)

Auto tune should be banned.  I'll give TayTay her due though, her live performance on Tiny Desk Music was actually quite good.  I'll never buy her records or add her to a playlist but... the youth's seem to like her.

Recently, because I hate auto tune, I went back to singers I hadn't really paid attention to and discovered the most amazing song by Melanie (you'll know her from I got a brand pair of rollerskates) called "Lay down".  Wow, what a voice she had.  Sadly she died last month.

Still can't get into Joni Mitchell or Joan Baez though...

Westlife are screwed...

music publishers are also going back over live performances, some iconic performances and auto tuning them.  I mean, Freddie Mercury at Live Aid has already been redone!  They're quietly removing the originals from YouTube at the same time.

When a back catalogue is being "remastered", they are quantizing the drums and pitch correcting the vocals.  This is really annoying me.  Once you use a computer to correct a vocal, is it even the singers vocal anymore.

My 9 year old daughter is moderately obsessed with her so I end up listening to her in the car. I quite like her. I  mean her music is not profound or anything and it’s hardly pushing boundaries but there are some catchy tunes, a little bit of humour and even self awareness and she is a reasonably positive role model on a scale of things.  Good luck to her. 

Did you have to shell out for concert tickets, Donny?

Many partners here are complaining about having to do that. Some are complaining that their wife wouldn't tell them how much the tickets cost.

She (or her producers) have an ear for a catchy tune, lyrically she tends to be quite smart and is very good at conveying images. I think the folklore stuff is really good in some cases. Ain’t nothing wrong with pop done well and she does pop well. Only pseuds or right wingers get wound up by her. 

It's pop music ffs.

The same genre that brought you the Bay City Rollers.

As for why she's so popular, same reason the super bowl ad slots go up even when other ad slots go down, as things become more disparate, the few commonalities become wildly more popular. 

Thank you Alan.

There's just so much about TS that is bloodless. I mean, who gives a fvck if it's for kids, it's their parents who have to pay for it. Thousands upon thousands. No wonder you millennials are so infantilised. 

So far resisted shelling out for tickets. She is not coming to the desert. Looked at tickets for the London gig in the summer but it's like 800 quid a ticket (not even fancy tickets) which is insane. 

Scylla, it was the vocal range on Lay Down that blew me away.  The lyrics are quite dark also.

I think she was bigger in America than she was in the UK, especially after Woodstock.  The only song I knew her for was "I got a brand new pair of rollerskates" and everyone considered that a novelty song.  Especially after the Worzells did their cover of it.

I quite like her music (inc the Bon Iver track) but - and fortunately this isn't a problem for me - if you were a potential boyfriend surely you would just feel like you were lyric fodder ?

 

Eddie. 

My dad was a huge Melanie fan… grew up listening to her, Creedence, Fleetwood Dylan, Dr Hook, and the moody blues. 

Mother used to torture us with Joan Baez and Nana M. 
 

In a world where twerking and singing about having a wet ass pussy is considered music…. 

Taylor is a pure goddess.  

We should all be grateful that young women have a respectable role model to admire. Whether you like her music or not. 

 

It’s a song quite obviously about Joe Alwyn. 

‘You kicked out the stage lights, but you’re still performing

And in plain sight you hid, but  you are what you did, 

And I’ll forget you, but I’ll never forgive

The smallest man who ever lived’ 

Brilliant.

 

"In a world where twerking and singing about having a wet ass pussy is considered music…. 

Taylor is a pure goddess.  

We should all be grateful that young women have a respectable role model to admire. Whether you like her music or not."

 

This is well put. I am not a big fan of her music (she'll live) but I like her as a role model for my daughter.  

 

I don’t really understand why she inspires such strong feelings either way. But there’s nothing wrong with it, I’m just not the target audience. It’s good there’s lots of different music. 

Not to start a swfty fight but my daughter tells me the consensus is that the Smallest Man is about is about some bloke called Matty, not Joe. No idea who Matty is! 

"I’m not, but with every rinse and repeat it’s less convincing as an artistic position. Does she have anything else she can write about?"

 

You can probably stick to writing about David Bowie in italics, everyone already knows what you think and disregards it anyway. 

I find it a bit distasteful to use lyrics to mock every ex you’ve ever been with. I can understand the occasional song having a go at someone you have genuine beef with but, from what I gather, every song seems to be having a go at someone different.

Not a big fan of washing your dirty laundry in public (and getting the rest of the world to ridicule them too by singing along).

I’m not, but with every rinse and repeat it’s less convincing as an artistic position. Does she have anything else she can write about?

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You’ve clearly never listened to Evermore. 

There are lots of things she writes about. 

 

Or if you prefer songs where she directly challenges the patriarchy there’s all ways the man…

Or where she writes how the music industry fooked her over ‘my tears richochet’ or her self awareness ‘anti -hero’ 

… 

 

The reason she’s ‘known’ for the break up songs is because they have been her biggest hits (so clearly people relate to them)

But they certainly do not represent the full depth of her songwriting. 

My 8 year old wanted singing lessons (in a bid to be a pop star). The singing teacher came out and thanked me for being the first 8 year old girl in the week to not to request Taylor Swift. She asked to sing Jolene and Teenage Dirtbag. 

Scylla has this. She (or her writers) have a real way with a catchy tune and evocative lyrics (even on the break up songs) - I think that is what hits the kids as much as anything. It’s great pop music done well and there is nothing wrong with that. Ask the Beatles, Elton, Bowie etc etc 

I also really think the two folk(ish) albums are really really good - you can see the influence of the dessners- a good companion piece is to listen to Lisa Hannigan At Swim which is them practising for Folklore (and is another great album, one even the sneering cookie might have time for)

And cakers… while I get where you are coming from.

Isn’t it an amazing thing that she has clearly inspired an entire generation of 8 year old girls to sing? 
 

It is @scylla and once the teacher had planted the Taytay seed my daughter was singing it the following week! 

I’m a fan. Little girls have Taylor in the same way we had Madonna (I still remember my sister and cousins doing a routine to like a virgin to our granny 🤣). 

I also think it’s brilliant she’s now dissed Kim kardashian and Kim’s too scared to fight back because of the fans.  

If date a pop star you take the risk of being song fodder. Always makes me think of the song “you’re so vain, I bet you think this song is about you.”

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