Soldier on BBC

Anyone watched this?   I cannot believe basic training takes 6 months - it seems mostly involve learning to make your bed and hang up your clothes, a bit of messing about with guns and jogging around with a rucksack not particularly long distances...

In the Russian Army basic and advanced training are rolled up into about 6 minutes, it seems.

"Here's a rusty AK, Ukes are over there past the minefield, these Chechens over here will shoot you if you try to retreat, off you go and good luck!".

I’m a couple of episodes in.

It isn’t ‘The Paras’, which did the same sort of thing a bit ago (and which I think is still on iplayer), but it is entertaining enough.

I find it interesting that they have to use the awkward ‘infanteer’ rather than just accept that some infantrymen are in fact women.

" Right, everyone into the BMPs, we're going to drive as fast as possible into that minefield covered by artillery and ATGMs. It hasn't worked the last 50 times we tried it, so the Ukes certainly won't be expecting us to try it again! There are prizes for the highest turret toss and the best futile running to try to avoid an FPV drone. Dos vedanya, comrades!"

The woman are interesting,  only allowed in the frontline infantry since 2018 the two featured were tiny and yet have to perform exactly the same tasks in the same time as the men.  Quite impressive actually, although they struggled initially.

I'd like to know a bit more of the back stories like the kid who was finally doing well and really wanted to be a soldier and then went home of the weekend and just didn't come back.  There's clearly more to that than he let on in the brief chat they had with him.

I have watched this and definitely WB the blonde. 

I can't believe the dim lad went AWOL after finally getting the hang of basic tasks. 

I wouldn't want to go into battle alongside people with that little training and skill. Let's hope they get at least a year or two additional time in their units before they have to face anything real.

There's clearly more to that than he let on in the brief chat they had with him.

I dunno Sails, he said it was about more money in his pocket, nights in the pub with his mates and not being shouted at all day. His reasoning made sense, but he had done all the boring hard work in infantry training and the fun stuff was about to come.

RR behave, the blond is 18 and described herself as still a child really.    What I thought was interesting was she sounded public school educated, cant be many out of public school that join the basic infantry ranks.

Heh - I will correct. 18-23 yr old me would have been interested in banging her. She was a bit posh but said she got in a lot of trouble at school so maybe this was the way for her to sort herself out?

"the blond [sic] is 18 and described herself as still a child"

Well she's not. She's a grown woman and a member of HM Armed Forces. So she'd better get a grip. 

I find it interesting that they have to use the awkward ‘infanteer’ rather than just accept that some infantrymen are in fact women.

Infanteer is a term going back centuries and well before women joined the ranks.

There have loads of these series over the years. This seems poor compared with them.

Theres little sense of a correct narrative. In the first episode they were shown arriving at Catterick in summer, and then 10 mins later  doing an obstacle course in late Autumn/winter.

I did my basic training at Catterick almost 30 years ago.  I can honestly say watching that the course hasn't changed one bit.  I don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing.  Their efforts in the CS chamber were truly pathetic though.

Guy Crouchback20 Oct 23 15:16

The woman are interesting,  only allowed in the frontline infantry since 2018 the two featured were tiny and yet have to perform exactly the same tasks in the same time as the men.  Quite impressive actually, although they struggled initially.

When I was in the NZ territorials late 1980's I remember there was lots of talk about women joining and how "they'd never be able to carry the gun" (GPMG plus ammunition - ammunition is remarkably heavy).  In my training intake we had a number of short small guys, they had to work extra hard on the assault course getting over walls, keeping up with the marching pace etc etc and I remember at least two who were heart and soul of the platoon, clear NCO material.  No one would have dreamed of giving the gun to them - because it was plainly stupid to do so, they were riflemen or scouts or NCO's, horses for courses, the big heffalump got to carry it.    

Like everything else to do with the emacipation of women (and any other minority you care to name) - if you increase the pool of potential talent to draw from, you will inevitably throw up more exceptional individuals. "Oh they can't do x, they'll have babies etc." oh do fock off, it's not about desperately finding what that generic group can't on average do better that you, its about making good use of what that particular individual can do better than you.