On the Today programme, cant see how he is surviving this. Brutal isn’t it. 0 Vote up! Nick Robinson did a great job to be there to be fair. 0 Vote up! Haven’t heard Nick R on better form. KK would have to quit if he admitted error and will probably have to quit anyway. Ugly. 1 Vote up! The patronising bit at the end was particularly hehsome 0 Vote up! So: 1. They didn’t tell the Caninet about abolishing the 45% rate. 2. They didn’t run it past the OBR. They look totally green. 0 Vote up! They are running on ideaology rather than any political or economic sense. One slight consolation is that it seems there is some limit to government idiocy Tory MPs and the electorate will put up with, as it was starting to look like there was no limit. 1 Vote up! Double lol. 1 Vote up! He did fine, very calm. Normal people really aren’t interested in this kind of ‘gotcha’ stuff. Only on rof….. 0 Vote up! I can’t wait to see how hanners and AITS meat shield this. 5 Vote up! guy, was having a top rate of 40% in 12 out of the 13 years of new labour "ideological"? or is that just how you describe it when it's proposed under a Conservative government? 1 Vote up! And there we are. Move along, nothing to see here, screeching u turns that cost 65bn are really not that important. 6 Vote up! Risky, are your standards are so low for the Tories you think that was “fine” ?? Wow. 2 Vote up! Diceman its all about timing you seem to be as hard of understanding as Truss and the chancellor. 2 Vote up! Didn’t cost 65bn strutter, try again old chap 1 Vote up! So the BoE didn’t spend 65bn to dig your boy out of a hole of his own making? Do tell us again how we have always been at war with Eastasia. 4 Vote up! I was going to say absolutely murdered him. But he didn't. He asked some straight questions, waited until he had stopped bullshitting and evading, asked them again and then let the answers speak for themselves, underscored the conclusion of those responses for the hard of learning, then moved on to broader contextual ones. Bloody good interview. One area he could have put the boot in further was about how he put the PM in the position of having to commit to Laura K that she was totally behind it and not giving it up yesterday. How can they credibly continue this duohehsome. 1 Vote up! I’m sure hanners will be along in a moment to explain how this was actually what they had planned all along mutters 3 Vote up! OK. that will bring a note of comedy into an otherwise bloody disgraceful period of our nation's history. I got a text from a client in Toronto last week saying what's going on, what have you done to the GBP? FFS. 0 Vote up! I think its just naivety and inexperience showing - the 45 rate is not necessarily something i like (given i have to pay more tax) but now was not the time to do - you do it when you have achevied your growth, everyone is celebrating a larger pie, so you can get "relaxed" about high earners as mandelson put it. We have to share the pain in the teeth of inflation at this level and the impending recession - focus on the supply side reforms and try and get growth firing - if that actually does occur then start handing out the boons. Borrowing for a higher rate tax cut is like borrowing to pay for nurses - the direct impact on productivity either way is negligenable - if it was borrowing to improve transport infra or digital assets to to subsidise growth technologies i would get it - we cant just borrow and kick the problem to the next generation. 0 Vote up! Embarrassing late U-turns after the damage is done? Now THAT is the BoJo continuity government we have been waiting for. 3 Vote up! Healthcare is the largest bottleneck in the British economy right now, borrowing to pay for nurses is about the most productivity-impactful step the government could take and the markets want us to do it. 1 Vote up! Nice to see City lawyers paying tax again though. 2 Vote up! I HAVEN'T LISTENED TO IT MYSELF BUT I AM SURE HE DID VERY WELL AND IN ANY CASE ORDINARY PEOPLE AREN'T INTERESTED IN THE FINANCIAL MARKETS AND "MORTGAGE RATES" AND SO ON 4 Vote up! Well that made no sense whatsoever hyoobert. 1 Vote up! He just sounded like he was a bad appointment to the jobs (of MP, Cabinet Member and Chancellor) 0 Vote up! No they didn’t stutter. About 5bn has been spent 0 Vote up! naivety and inexperience showing, also unbelievable arrogance. The Chancellor is an intelligent guy, but he is not as intelligent as he thinks he is and has a political tin ear it seems (the naivety yes). 1 Vote up! Its interesting he took so long to get to cabinet, whereas Rishi's rise was stellar and much quicker. 1 Vote up! The BoE is only going to spend up to £65bn to rescue the economy from the disastrous policies of Truss and KamiKwasi. That's ok then. Have you got any proof of how much has been spent so far risky? You claim £5bn... 3 Vote up! Pancake - the NHS needs a fundamental reform to be able to cope with the demographic challenges it currently faces - you have an ever smaller tax base paying more tax on worse benefits for a growing proportion of pensioners "who have paid their tax" but get much better benefits and perks than the current work force will ever see. The borrowing should go towards healthcare, but 30,000 extra nurses wouldnt see an uptick in productivity, it would just be more money into the money pit that is the NHS - it wouldnt address GP access, the early retirement of skilled doctors, social care gaps (both for the elderly, but also mental health where the police often have to pick up the slack). I wasnt saying dont spend it on healthcare, but simply giving existing nurses a pay rise or hiring a bunch more wouldnt have the productivity boost we need to fund the borrowing. 0 Vote up! BBB we dont spend enough on health care, thats the problem, not the NHS which is widely acknowledged to be the most cost efficient system available, if we change the system it will become even more expensive. NHS has huge efficiencies built into the system such as near monopoly status leading to cheaper medicine and equipment procurement and labour, very little paper pushing with invoices/insurance; no incentive to over treat. These are MAJOR efficiencies. 1 Vote up! They obviously are absolute pillocks, but I don’t actually understand why they feel obliged to now retain the forty fiver. 0 Vote up! Does anyone have a link to the interview, I missed it and am keen to watch i. I've looked on YouTube but couldn't find it there...thank you! 0 Vote up! its radio Sat Nav, you will find in on BBC sounds -Today programme at about 8.10am 1 Vote up! Thanks Guy. 0 Vote up! it was a very, very good interview by Nick Robinson: clear, focused, short questions 1 Vote up! Don’t underestimate how inept this makes us all look to people overseas btw. There’s a point where if you can’t put your house in order by voting out the awfuls you’re deemed to approve of them. And no amount of whataboutery gets you out of that. 0 Vote up! Also, KK is an arrogant overentitled overpromoted w**ker. 1 Vote up! 2 Vote up! Perhaps I am being overoptimistic but is this the moment the lunatics start to lose their grip of the asylum? 0 Vote up! Listening now. Oof. 0 Vote up! Heh @ “pretty tin-eared politician” 0 Vote up! Feels like we are all just collectively sick of all this “I’m focused on…” “we’re determined to…” stuff in lieu of answering the question 0 Vote up! These people are children. 0 Vote up! Strutter taking a facial from risky of all people. Now I've seen it all. 0 Vote up! That’s the problem with both sides cookie. Many o f them are just reliving their student politics ‘fun’ 0 Vote up! “both sides” 😂😂😂😂 no longer even pretending not 2b a trumpist 2 Vote up! even if he only cost the economy £5b from sheer stupidity, that must be enough to resign? 0 Vote up! They were buying gilts. 5bn hasn’t been lost. 0 Vote up! Wow. That was brutal. 0 Vote up! Bigbadbillybob03 Oct 22 09:18 the NHS needs a fundamental reform to be able to cope with the demographic challenges it currently faces - you have an ever smaller tax base paying more tax on worse benefits for a growing proportion of pensioners "who have paid their tax" but get much better benefits and perks than the current work force will ever see. _____________________________________________________________________________ the country needs a fundamental reform and debateable how many of those pensioners have truly 'paid their tax' but anyway, the UK has far too many couch potato pensioners who get thrown on the scrap heap and then basically just sit in their houses rotting. It is well established that mobility and social interaction are some of the best ways of keeping people healthy. We need either some sort of expansion of hiking clubs or, given the general contempt for proactive health measures that the UK has, some sort of national service to get these black holes of nhs funding out and about and active. 2 Vote up! the basic problem is this, many perfectly fit people spend decades sitting around doing nothing. The retirement model is broken, state pensions should be replaced with universal income that incentivises everybody regardless of age to work if they can 0 Vote up! National Services for OAPs. We need workhouses fit for the 21st Century. Treadmills with wheelchair access. 1 Vote up! Kwarteng was surprisingly useless during the interview wasn't he? You could have made a better defence than he did (not that I think his mini budget was anything other than a complete crock). Instead had his ass handed to him on a plate repeatedly and then got weakly shirty and tried to distort the facts. Unable to close down lines of questioning. Couldn't even make his own future plans sound even barely OK - vague waffle about had a growth plan, got a fiscal plan, then a budget. You don't like these rabbits? I got others! Hopeless. Interesting example of how someone can be bright in abstract but not in application. Good to see Nick R on song, doing his job as a journo. In a country where forming/reforming political parties was feasible, these would surely be the death throes of the Tory party? 0 Vote up! Once the brexiteers took over the Conservative party, they were no longer the Conservative party and by almost definition they were people who lacked all wisdom. I now think they will be thrashed in the next election there will be electoral reform and the party will split. 0 Vote up! FFS Risky plz stop posting in support of yourself, its cringy 2 Vote up! I mean if the criteria for rising in the party is that you signed up for something deeply deeply stupid, it stands to reason you going to end up with less then requisite quality in charge. 1 Vote up! "some sort of national service" sending your granny to fight in Ukraine would be one of this government's more moderate policies tbf 0 Vote up! Err? 0 Vote up! I agree with you Sumo - i was air quoting the "paid their tax" for that very reason (most pensioners except those earning a pretty sizable salary most of their working life, have been a net minus on the paid in versus paid out, yet that argument seems always be trotted out whenever there is a debate about removing universal benfits for pensioners versus crapp - both your and Guys suggestions are pretty sensible and things i wouldnt mind a bit of borrowing to prime the pump for (as you can see the argument for increased productivity). 0 Vote up! KK sounded like what he is - an autistic overpromoted overentitled inexperienced arrogant cock. 0 Vote up! It was a great interview. Robinson was brilliant, not Humphrey levels of pushy gotcha but held his line, calm, but also showed kk up as completely out of his depth and not fit for role 0 Vote up! Fwiw I find Humphrey annoying so pleased it was Nick r 0 Vote up! This is super basic - the problem for the economy is the cost of living, ie, the cost of energy and inflation. To counteract that you have to pursue a monetary policy, ie, the Bank of England puts up the interest rates but the aim is the sweet spot of countering inflation whilst at the same time not crippling mortgage holders. You don't then pursue an aggressive fiscal policy based on unfunded borrowing that is completely counter-productive to the carefully balanced monetary policy. Totally UKIP, ideologically driven idiots. 0 Vote up! How are really old people or people who are retired who have chronic health problems supposed to cope? 0 Vote up! They’re not. They’re supposed - in the eyes of these people - to die 0 Vote up! Refresh Back to board Join the discussion Login Register 0 Vote up!