it might be stupid - or they might just be trying to move away from the far right connotations that dog the St George's cross
have they said why they did this? Is it trying to incorporate the lions bade colours into the flag? I can't believe NIke just turned up with a truck load of kit that wasn't approved in advance by the FA
I genuinely don't get the colours. Dark blue, light blue and pink? Is there a reference I'm missing?
It looks like a very corporate changing the colours to make "a statement" but also making sure the colours chosen don't actually say anything specific that anyone can latch onto.
I'm with Tom. Not bothered about what they've done to the flat but £125 for a replica kit? You buy a full on gore-tex replica of the jacket worn by your favourite America's Cup team for that kind of money and it's more useful.
Well look I’m not going to buy it either way at that price.
Doesn’t stop me being highly amused by the Joey Bartons/lozza foxes/amithsuckers/lee Anderson’s/marshall halls of this world getting triggered by it though.
I’m a big football fan, I go to England games, men, women’s games. And the flag is used by everybody, it’s unifying, it doesn’t need to change.
300,000 more children in poverty and this is the sort of stuff Starmer is talking about. Sometimes I think English people deserve to be getting poorer and poorer given their obsession with this sort of nonsense.
Christ @ SecularJurist. Little more unpleasant than people revelling in small-minded, pathetic bigotry while imagining themselves to be enlightened.
English players in the England kit are represented by the England flag. Any suggestion this isn’t true has traditionally been insidious racism and aggressively stamped out of English football on and off the pitch. People have gone to prison over this.
To turn round and “psych lol actually the flag does need to be different to represent players except it’s good now” is a weird, incongruent choice.
I mean, it's not even rainbow colours, it's just shading or red to blue (I don't get why England end up playing in blue when they have a red and white flag but Mrs Sumo witters something about the lions being blue) it's not even some sort of inclusive gesture, it's literally just putting the kit colours into the flag (which nobody minds not being on a white background)
I'd grab one quick, it'll become a collectors item if nike junk it
I get that the alt right are trying to use the term ‘woke’ as a cloak so they can say how much they hate anyone different to them (especially LGBTQ people) but has anyone actually explained what is (((woke))) about this?
It’s bizarre to change the colours of a country’s actual flag which is used as an identifier in a sporting competition. Mental tbh. Just put the random other colours on some other part of the shirt init.
There have been loads of England shirts which have dicked about with the flag. The only reason people are kicking off about this one is because it uses purple and they are so sensitive about "tHe WoKe pLaGuE" despite the use of purple here not being LGBT related.
part of a wider issue, namely pr folk tinkering with perfectly good football jerseys and invariably ruining them. pixellated fade outs etc. MU jersey 1960s rules
Can anyone remind me what the Team GB 2012 kit looked like? I am absolutely certain there was no artistic licence in representing the Union Jack. No siree!
Only 1 that is remotely on point from what I can see. There was one that had 4 different coloured crosses on the collar.
For all of the others, the journo's appear to be suggesting that the use of a cross design in the actual pattern design of the kit (David James green goalkeeper jersey, for example) is the same. Which it obviously isn't.
I do applaud it being pointed out that innovative use of a cross design hasn't appeared to be a problem previously though.
Nike only changed the colours to be playful. The fact the colours selected represent are also adopted by the trans community is surely just a coincidence or else Nike would have said so
sunak is talking about it too and he's the fking PM who has (along with his party) caused the poverty.
I don't hold any torch for Sunak. But is that really the best response to Starmer demonstrating that he's a low class white English soccer-obsessed chav whose focus are the same low IQ things that appeal to the parasitic white English chav class and pandering to their inflated egos and sense of entitlement that grows ever greater as they degeneracy increases?
Rob Cannon covering himself in glory with seething hatred, classism and racism I see. Ironic for a guy who undoubtedly views himself as an enlightened cosmopolitan.
I certainly don't view myself as an enlighted cosmopolitan. Perish the thought.
Marshall, as long as I am living here and paying tax here I will give my views about the situation and I am just as entitled to as you are. You're the real racist bigot for suggesting that because someone's not a native English person they cannot have views about these things, and that because what I say upsets you I should leave.
In any case, I don't live in Doncaster, Blackpool or some other such place. I live in central London among the metic class which is being bled dry financially to subsidise the rest of England. After the chav classes in their hate and bitterness against people like me cried out during Brexit to use me as a bargaining chip they can learn to face the truth when someone tells it to them.
You've called me a racist Marshall because you cannot handle an "outsider" criticising anything. And rather than engaging with reality, you lash out like a hater against the person delivering the criticism.
That's why the UK is becoming poorer and poorer and, in particular, native English people are becoming poorer at an even quicker rate. Meanwhile, more and more of the higher paid roles are taken by immigrants or those from immigrant backgrounds, because their educational achievements are higher (white British children have the lowest educational achievement on average) and their work ethic is better.
In response to the responses to Rob Cannon's post today at 18:57 I must admit that -even though I have become more left-wing as I get older, cannot afford to live where he lives (and am more skint than I was when I was 18), am a pro-Euro Master's degree holder and regard myself as socially liberal - find myself , without shame, somewhat agreeing with his comments.
On the minus side, it's not 'soccer' (despite the Latin origin of the term 'Association Football'), it's Football.
Not all footy fans are chavs, but deffo the Ingerland band definitely are. However, one needs a middle-class income to attend EPL matches or to hold a season ticket.
In Mr Cannon's mitigation, he did say, on 21st inst. @23:28, that Starmer was complaining about the new shirt when there are now 300,000 more children in poverty.
As Bentines said @ 08:10 today, the most offensive thing is the price. But cash-rich chavs won't buy it, whereas cash-rich liberals may do so.
BTW, The German FootbalBund has agreed a deal with Nike to provide the kit for Die Mannschaft from 2017 as they have offered double that of their long-time sponsor, Adidas. Personally, I'm disappointed. I like the black, white and gold four-stars shirt. I've got one myself.
So there'll be more of a hoo-ha in Germany, replacing a German-made kit with an American one.
David, the wind blows The wind blows Bits of your life away Your friends all say Where is our boy? Ah, we've lost our boy But they should know Where you've gone Because again and again you've explained
Weird one this, yes it's annoying all the right people and I largely don't give a tug, but I sort of understand some of the objections too. Perhaps the flag should be considered sacrosanct.
Gone right to the top now, as well. Interesting. Surely getting pulled/changed now.
Mostly what Donny said though, find it thoroughly bizarre on Nike's part. Can't believe it got signed off.
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Is to be an englisher to exist in a constant state of impotent rage?
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"Trademark symbol of the English flag"
state of that
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Why are you complaining? Saka gave it "ten out of ten" and so did Russo. Surely their independent thoughts on the issue are sufficient?
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‘England FA cancelling our national flag’
Surely it’s just ‘the FA’?
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Marshall Hall 21 Mar 24 15:14
No doubt there is some DEI message in this craven nonsense.
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not sure it is craven
it might be stupid - or they might just be trying to move away from the far right connotations that dog the St George's cross
have they said why they did this? Is it trying to incorporate the lions bade colours into the flag? I can't believe NIke just turned up with a truck load of kit that wasn't approved in advance by the FA
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This is making all the right people absolutely puce with rage.
Brilliant.
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Lol max. The worrying thing for the general public is Barry will likely now be driving his cab shirtless.
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Not exactly Tom.
But clearly it has support from the fey simps like your good-self who are embarrassed at our country.
But you adore your Middle East overlords...
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I genuinely don't get the colours. Dark blue, light blue and pink? Is there a reference I'm missing?
It looks like a very corporate changing the colours to make "a statement" but also making sure the colours chosen don't actually say anything specific that anyone can latch onto.
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Tbh they should have used rainbow colours. The amount of Diarolyte sold would go through the roof.
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More good news from this. Lee Anderson says:
'This virtue signalling, namby-pamby, pearl-clutching woke nonsense must stop. Any more of this and I'll be on the first flight to Rwanda.'
Fingers crossed a woke cricket kit is due out soon.
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What rages me most about this is that the shirt is £125
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Old Carthusians obvs
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What both the toms said, tbf.
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Marshall is a FKW. Who knew.
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blindtom21 Mar 24 15:59
What rages me most about this is that the shirt is £125
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wait what? are you a rangers fan now?
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I'm with Tom. Not bothered about what they've done to the flat but £125 for a replica kit? You buy a full on gore-tex replica of the jacket worn by your favourite America's Cup team for that kind of money and it's more useful.
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Well look I’m not going to buy it either way at that price.
Doesn’t stop me being highly amused by the Joey Bartons/lozza foxes/amithsuckers/lee Anderson’s/marshall halls of this world getting triggered by it though.
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The FA have played a blinder here. A precision strike on exactly the right targets.
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125 quid. fooking hell!
England is one of the few nations embarrassed by the national flag and that's a shame in my view.
It is w**k to change the flag regardless of the intent imo.
MIght go and see if JOey Barton is still alive tbf
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Not embarrassed at our country at all, Marshall.
Am increasingly embarrassed by some of its inhabitants though.
Trust this clarification assists.
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When you say ‘our country’ Tom I assume you are referring to your beloved Abu Dhabi.
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Apparently it annoys all the right people including your beloved sir starmer
England kit: Keir Starmer urges change over St George's Cross design https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68632034
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Massive self pwn from the labour loving centrist dads
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If it upsets the lower-class yobbos, they types that stick flares up their jacksy, that don't wear their shirts in hot weather anyway, that's great.
I prefer that new logo; the St George's cross has long ago been a sign of far right nationalism.
The price is steep, though.
Maybe I could afford the little flag or tee instead with said logo.
As for the horizontal axis colours, they're more pink,purple, blue.
The vertical bar seems to be red, orange, yellow.
A rainbowy cross. Yes, the Brexiters, the Gammons, the little Ingerlanders are livid.
England isn't worth the candle anyway. Impotent rage.
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Lots of sad Emily Thornberry wannabes on here tonight.
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300,000 more children in poverty and this is the sort of stuff Starmer is talking about. Sometimes I think English people deserve to be getting poorer and poorer given their obsession with this sort of nonsense.
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This is England. Not bi-sexual land.
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The sight of poor Tom and ROLF receiving a massive volley of gunk from Sir Keir on this thread is noted.
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If labour is wiping out woke bullshIt to neutralise the tories then I can get right on board with that
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It was a really weird decision to mess around with a national flag. Curious to know if Nike have done that before.
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All very United colours of Benetton innit. Effing millennials corporate bollox
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Swooshtika
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Christ @ SecularJurist. Little more unpleasant than people revelling in small-minded, pathetic bigotry while imagining themselves to be enlightened.
English players in the England kit are represented by the England flag. Any suggestion this isn’t true has traditionally been insidious racism and aggressively stamped out of English football on and off the pitch. People have gone to prison over this.
To turn round and “psych lol actually the flag does need to be different to represent players except it’s good now” is a weird, incongruent choice.
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‘England FA’
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Heh @ FF. Marsehole is more of a rugby man.
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As others have said, the most offensive thing about this is the cost of the shirt. The people’s game. Fúcking abhorrent.
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Why would anyone buy a rayon football shirt?
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How does it feel this morning ROLF, waking up to the shocking realisation that Sir Keir has left you and Tom way behind, and is actually one of us.
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I mean, it's not even rainbow colours, it's just shading or red to blue (I don't get why England end up playing in blue when they have a red and white flag but Mrs Sumo witters something about the lions being blue) it's not even some sort of inclusive gesture, it's literally just putting the kit colours into the flag (which nobody minds not being on a white background)
I'd grab one quick, it'll become a collectors item if nike junk it
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I don't know marsehole. I would need to consult the "England FA" before forming an opinion.
End with italics to signal I'm a twot.
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£125!
Maybe a pride flag is more apt given the wearer is a gheyer for spending that much on it.
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Lee Anderson’s outrage was so great that he said:
“This virtue signalling, namby-pamby, pearl-clutching woke nonsense must stop. Any more of this and I’ll be on the first flight to Rwanda.”
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Marshall defo calls football ‘soccer’.
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I get that the alt right are trying to use the term ‘woke’ as a cloak so they can say how much they hate anyone different to them (especially LGBTQ people) but has anyone actually explained what is (((woke))) about this?
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I genuinely pity the snowflakes who are upset by this. Imagine starting a thread about it? You'd have to be a stone cold loser.
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Looks pretty cool. Quite like it. Don't know what all the squares are going on about.
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If you google ‘pride flags’ and take a look at the various options, the England kit seems to be repping the ‘butch lesbian’ flag.
Finally Harry Maguire gets some recognition.
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I notice that keir starmer felt the need to get his view out about such a weighty matter. PM in waiting or tak radio phone in host?
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Nah Tom, uk has always been a fairly liberal country. Woke is a joke
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I think it's weird to change the colours of a national flag on a national team shirt personally.
Just as weird as when Puma produced those god awful shirts for City and its other sponsored team that contained no badge at all.
United have done something similar this year with just having the devil on the away kit. Also weird
As stated above, however, the only thing offensive about any of this is the price of football kits, especially in kid's sizes
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^ this
Why do fannies have to get so outraged (probably performatively tbf, as part of the grift) about stuff.
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Tom - please stop calling Sir Keir a fanny, it's truly disrespectful.
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It’s bizarre to change the colours of a country’s actual flag which is used as an identifier in a sporting competition. Mental tbh. Just put the random other colours on some other part of the shirt init.
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The 1966 jersey is best. Red. No flag. Three lions. They should do that again. When did the flag first appear? Why does it have to be white?
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There have been loads of England shirts which have dicked about with the flag. The only reason people are kicking off about this one is because it uses purple and they are so sensitive about "tHe WoKe pLaGuE" despite the use of purple here not being LGBT related.
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part of a wider issue, namely pr folk tinkering with perfectly good football jerseys and invariably ruining them. pixellated fade outs etc. MU jersey 1960s rules
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Can anyone remind me what the Team GB 2012 kit looked like? I am absolutely certain there was no artistic licence in representing the Union Jack. No siree!
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Is this a sign Anthony Gordon gets a start?
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Only 1 that is remotely on point from what I can see. There was one that had 4 different coloured crosses on the collar.
For all of the others, the journo's appear to be suggesting that the use of a cross design in the actual pattern design of the kit (David James green goalkeeper jersey, for example) is the same. Which it obviously isn't.
I do applaud it being pointed out that innovative use of a cross design hasn't appeared to be a problem previously though.
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Taxi driver Joe in Stirling said he had "steam" coming out of his ears: "People died for that flag thousands of years ago".
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Two thousand years of hurt.
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Nike only changed the colours to be playful. The fact the colours selected represent are also adopted by the trans community is surely just a coincidence or else Nike would have said so
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It’s got nothing to do with the trans community ffs
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Who gives a tug either way?
Wearing a trans-inclusive cross on a football shirt is a good thing. Doesn't mean that you think wome shouldn't have their own toilets!
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sunak is talking about it too and he's the fking PM who has (along with his party) caused the poverty.
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.. and has the power to fix it, being the actual fking PM
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I don't hold any torch for Sunak. But is that really the best response to Starmer demonstrating that he's a low class white English soccer-obsessed chav whose focus are the same low IQ things that appeal to the parasitic white English chav class and pandering to their inflated egos and sense of entitlement that grows ever greater as they degeneracy increases?
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That’s what I said Tom
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Oh sorry Penguin, I thought you were being arch 😀
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Irony meters in peril here.
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Rob Cannon covering himself in glory with seething hatred, classism and racism I see. Ironic for a guy who undoubtedly views himself as an enlightened cosmopolitan.
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Footie transcend class for the Brits, you’re completely missing what he’s doing.
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Is he Irish is that it?
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Rob, you really are a ghastly racist.
As I have asked many times, if you find the English so horrible, why don’t you leave us?
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Jamie - please can we have a permanent ban for the vile and hateful Rob Canon?
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I certainly don't view myself as an enlighted cosmopolitan. Perish the thought.
Marshall, as long as I am living here and paying tax here I will give my views about the situation and I am just as entitled to as you are. You're the real racist bigot for suggesting that because someone's not a native English person they cannot have views about these things, and that because what I say upsets you I should leave.
In any case, I don't live in Doncaster, Blackpool or some other such place. I live in central London among the metic class which is being bled dry financially to subsidise the rest of England. After the chav classes in their hate and bitterness against people like me cried out during Brexit to use me as a bargaining chip they can learn to face the truth when someone tells it to them.
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If you look at your foul emissions on this thread today you will see why I have called you a racist.
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You've called me a racist Marshall because you cannot handle an "outsider" criticising anything. And rather than engaging with reality, you lash out like a hater against the person delivering the criticism.
That's why the UK is becoming poorer and poorer and, in particular, native English people are becoming poorer at an even quicker rate. Meanwhile, more and more of the higher paid roles are taken by immigrants or those from immigrant backgrounds, because their educational achievements are higher (white British children have the lowest educational achievement on average) and their work ethic is better.
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How do you identify, Rob?
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In response to the responses to Rob Cannon's post today at 18:57 I must admit that -even though I have become more left-wing as I get older, cannot afford to live where he lives (and am more skint than I was when I was 18), am a pro-Euro Master's degree holder and regard myself as socially liberal - find myself , without shame, somewhat agreeing with his comments.
On the minus side, it's not 'soccer' (despite the Latin origin of the term 'Association Football'), it's Football.
Not all footy fans are chavs, but deffo the Ingerland band definitely are. However, one needs a middle-class income to attend EPL matches or to hold a season ticket.
In Mr Cannon's mitigation, he did say, on 21st inst. @23:28, that Starmer was complaining about the new shirt when there are now 300,000 more children in poverty.
As Bentines said @ 08:10 today, the most offensive thing is the price. But cash-rich chavs won't buy it, whereas cash-rich liberals may do so.
BTW, The German FootbalBund has agreed a deal with Nike to provide the kit for Die Mannschaft from 2017 as they have offered double that of their long-time sponsor, Adidas. Personally, I'm disappointed. I like the black, white and gold four-stars shirt. I've got one myself.
So there'll be more of a hoo-ha in Germany, replacing a German-made kit with an American one.
Plinka- plinka seems to rule the day.
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*2027
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the english fa have not cancelled our national flag
other than that, great OP
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I live in the Rest of England and I’m being bled dry too Rob babes 😘
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Spot on, Sir Woke.
The shirt still has the three lions.
The X of St George is a recent addition to the England shirt. And St George isn't an English saint.
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David, the wind blows
The wind blows
Bits of your life away
Your friends all say
Where is our boy?
Ah, we've lost our boy
But they should know
Where you've gone
Because again and again you've explained
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Gareth Southgate also disapproves.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/03/22/gareth-southgate-england-kit-flag-st-georges-cross-nike/
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Weird one this, yes it's annoying all the right people and I largely don't give a tug, but I sort of understand some of the objections too. Perhaps the flag should be considered sacrosanct.
Gone right to the top now, as well. Interesting. Surely getting pulled/changed now.
Mostly what Donny said though, find it thoroughly bizarre on Nike's part. Can't believe it got signed off.
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https://x.com/wulf_helm/status/1782855744095768642?s=46&t=Gq6LevnmvzwJvsMpYLZB7A
Yeah I can’t imagine why Nike are keen to distance themselves from the flag
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"England FA" still making me laugh. What a fool.
Chinorder, those patriots are just protecting the cenotaph. Behave.
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Indeed. Until (((Sadiq and his friends))) set the police on them.
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