She procured girls for him from 2011 to 2019 and one of her first emails she said she googled him and said "maybe your passion is Young girls as Snowboarding is mine.". 

She knew what he was. She knew what he did. She willingly brought other girls to him.

At some point she went from victim to predator. 

This is amazing sleuthing Jamie. How did you find it out? Great scoop. 

Maxwell

Thanks 09:05, I read through about 2,000 emails.

this is truly nauseating. not only how she was abused but also corrupted and made complicit in the abuse of others.

This is how all big-law and big business works by the way. You start off whoring your ass, then you end up pimping others out and exploiting people (perhaps not for sex, but for power).  Junior lawyers are sadly pre-conditioned for this.

Big Pharma, Big Tech, Oil and Gas, Defence, etc etc.

The capitalist construct is replicated. Epstien was just more up-front than most that his intentions were evil.

This is useful in illustrating how complicated unravelling abuse cases can be - she was definitely groomed by him, but then she went on to groom others for him. It was an infernal system he had.

I feel so sorry for this victim, she suffered horrific abuse like trying to introduce girls to someone she knew was a convicted sex offender. 

The victim narrative stretches credulity here. She’s one of his victims in the same way that Jizz-lane Maxwell was one of his victims - she tried to procure girls for him knowing he was a pedo, all because he was mega wealthy. 

Reminds me of Mandelson saying he regretted having ever been “introduced” to him. It was the person who first introduced them who’s to blame, you see. 

She knew he was a pedo and she sent him video of her little sister?? WT actual F

Can I just say... who the f*** calls CC just "Clifford"?

Perhaps it would it be easier if all of Epstein's many friends who weren't "victims" raised their hands?

What? Nobody at all? 

How odd... all of these successful, highly educated, financially secure people and not a single one had any agency of their own. All helpless victims. Perhaps more in need of our sympathy and financial compensation than our opprobrium.

Next up, a thread about grooming gangs in the North of England so that all of the people fixated on the Epstein files and the horrors of the patriarchy can tell us that it's wrong of anyone to take an interest in that kind of grooming because if you care about those girls it's only because you're a racist.

Nothing to see there. Let's stick to the easy case with celebrities in it and a dead perpetrator who can't accuse you of being a racist.

Hey, did you hear that he was a Mossad agent? People are saying. Nudge nudge wink wink.

This is a grown ass woman we’re talking about. Definitely not a victim. And she exposed her younger sister to abuse?? She should be right next to Ms Maxwell. In less comfier conditions.

Now found in vol 27(1) of the Encyclopaedia of Forms and Precedents.

Victim my foot.  But is this for real?  

This is terrible draftsmanship. I strongly doubt that contract would be enforceable.

@09:41 oh do shut up with your cod-student politics.

This lawyer story interesting but it’s not significant information.

What is significant is that Epstein was obviously running some kind of influence peddling network almost certainly on behalf of the Israeli state. There is a very strong suspicion that the whole point of the girls was to allow for blackmail of those within the network. So they were knowingly filmed carrying out criminals acts. Some of the materials even suggest really evil crimes. But let’s just leave it at shagging 16-17 year olds for now as there is a mass of evidence for this. Blackmail is why the network keep taking photos. The photos are key to the operation. Whether there is an age of consent crime or it is merely shagging a prostitute or somewhere in between

In the emails epstein seems to be telling mandelson what to do. Mandelson works for him in effect. The media openly admits that mandelson has been one of the most influential figures in the Labour Party for decades. An adviser to Blair brown kinnock and starmer. Starmer effectively owes his appointment to mandelson and the anti corbyn faction. This seems to be why he appointed mandelson as an ambassador - he owed him one.

So we appear to have a direct mechanism by which the Israeli state directs the labour prime ministers of Britain. Mandelson in his pants may be entirely innocent. But it suggests something bad is going on. Either he just works for Epstein or Epstein has something on him or both.

All the above strongly suggests that democracy a farce and calls into question Labour Party and British government policy over the past 30 years.

This is before we even look into the other people Epstein may know in the other political parties or indeed in other countries.

@ nonny 9.41

I’ve worked in big law for years and have not once whored my ass, nor my juniors, nor anyone else 

That’s telling on you not capitalism. 

Retroactive regret does not make you a victim. She is in fact an accomplice and needs to be punished to the full extent of the law, her being a female junior lawyer at the time does not excuse her actions in any way.

Here we go - the "it was the Jews" brigade has crawled out from under their rock.

www.jmail.world - enjoy you evening searching for firms you know

Epstein commented, “not a bad first try,, . there is no penalty for brach,? no third part mediation in case of dispute,... no quality assuaranvce. with standard practice.    , no time limit, a no complaining clause, etc”.

he'll be complaining about the bill next

"This is a grown ass woman we’re talking about"

What is an ass woman?

"What is significant is that Epstein was obviously running some kind of influence peddling network almost certainly on behalf of the Israeli state."

There's no specific evidence for it. But it is a scientific fact.

If these comments are moderated does that mean roro officially approves anti semiyic conspiracy theories or no? 

"What is an ass woman?"

Wife material.

"I’ve worked in big law for years and have not once whored my ass, nor my juniors, nor anyone else "

Sorry to hear that you aren't on the partnership track. It isn't for everyone.

Hey guys! Hey guys!

Has anyone ever wondered whether everything that Epstein did was part of a sinister Jewish plot about Gaza?

Let's all talk about Gaza some more!

Not Iran. We don't talk about Iran at all. But let's have some more fascinating and relevant chat about Gaza!

This is jaw dropping stuff.

But more that she is clearly not a "victim" - it's completely consensual nauseating behaviour.

I've read through thousands of the emails myself, and haven't found any evidence of paedophilia. There is one exchange with Wiggin (a low rate litigation boutique) re the Tatler, amongst others, where he effectively argues he's an ephebophile i.e. likes 18-22 year olds (give or take a year), evidence of that elsewhere also.

Wiggin has a terribly weak argument in response and acknowledges effectively he isn't a paedophile clinically speaking, but in common parlance, not medical terminology, he could be classified as one if he has an interest in post-pubesent minors i.e. implying even if over the age of 18.

The conviction he had in 2008 via a plea bargain was for a 17.5 year old - which, as peverted and weird as this man was, he and his supporters (including Richard Branson) are unfortunately correct - it's entirely legal in the vast majority of the world, including the UK. And for people in the UK to argue he's a convicted sex offender when it's not a crime in our own legal system...well, it says some things.

By the way, his 23 odd year old long term girlfriend to whom he left everything in his will was sending him in a back and forth relatively extreme porn links. Again consensually.

Although this was one girl who gave a public interview alleging he pressured her into sex while massaging him at 15, and she appeared convincing, but with that having been said, she was suing his estate along with others for $$$, so without a court process with disclosure and independent review, anyone can say anything.

It seems like a toxic cycle of golddigging and worshipping of Mammon.

Nobody going to rip apart the awful drafting?!!!???

@12.07

Fair 

Once the blackmailing was at risk of being uncovered, sayonara, M Epstein.

Who should be cast in the movie?

So an adult woman got a chance to have a glamorous and exciting lifestyle that millions would want, consensually entered into some shenanigans no different from the sort of stuff in 50 Shades of Grey...so what? Yes all of this is deeply distasteful, but the West very emphatically discarded its Christian morality in the 60s and 70s. You can't have it both ways.

There are three entirely separate things going on here. (1) Jeffery Epstein has been proven to have committed a number of sexual acts with minors, and for that matter has confessed to them (clearly despicable and unacceptable to any sane person); (2) Jeffrey Epstein and some of his friends had a lot of sex with 18+ hired models, escorts and junior CC lawyers who broadly knew what was expected of them (unpleasant but hardly criminal); (3) a huge number of people found Epstein to be useful or genuinely interesting, and interacted with him in some capacity over the course of his very extensive career (not remotely illegal). Going insane over the second and third items on that list is only detracting from the genuine moral outrage there should be over the first.

Amazing sleuthing but also presumably just saw what was discussed on Reddit a few days ago...

Anonymous 06 February 26 12:49 -  the problem you have is that's is all (2) and (3), there is no "proof" of (1) by any stretch, there's proof for the 17 year old, but no compelling evidence below that - there are over a million emails and documents, find a single one where there is such evidence (besides anonymous tipsters etc.) or where he admits this. What you have is (2) and (3) in droves - a man in his 50s with a harem of young women mostly in their early 20s. 

She loved it.

Trump has just posted a racist video of the Obamas, he's thrown Ukraine under the bus, and wants to grab Greenland. 

Why should all these calamities happen, why should the Western alliance collapse in such a sickening way, why should so many millions lose livelihoods due to tariffs... just so a certain country can engage in ethnic cleaning and expanding settlements??? 

EFTA00638156.pdf

Was very interesting 

Truly remarkable research here! There was an individual who posted several posts of Reddit with all the comprehensive lists of links for anything that raised eyebrows at various law firms. Each time they shared links, within an hour there entire account was suspended. 

They posted again this morning which a link to nudes sent from the trainee's work email. Account was banned in 3 minutes max.

One of the LawUK moderators is definitely protecting someone here. Dodgy as F.

I remember there being a second scandal about a woman from a second firm taking bribes from Epstein in the form of £7k handbags, which were delivered to a hotel where she collected them later that day. She also wrote how her affair with Epstein destroyed her marriage.

The email of Epstein saying that Deloitte can't handle thier liquor was pretty funny too.

Maxwell should get her lawyer instructed. I can’t believe we’ve all missed that she was a victim too 

@the commenter absurdly defending Epstein on the basis there is no "proof" of paedophilia.  Epstein's own conviction for child prostitution was reached as part of a plea deal relating to a number of charges relating to minors, from age 14 up, and of course charges were drawn up against him a second time for offences against minors, again aged 14 up, in 2019.  He wasn't found guilty on the second set of charges a because he committed suicide before trial (or someone else saved him the trouble). However, Ghislaine Maxwell was found guilty of grooming minors as young as 14 for Epstein.  So the abuse of children as young as 14 by Epstein has been established as fact in a court of law, albeit not in a trial of Epstein himself.

She reached out to him first for a job, she introduced herself to him. She is not a victim. She is a predator. Lock her up for life. 

How can you be a victim and also be the one asking for a job after he's a convicted child sex abuser? "V" knew full well. She sex trafficked to the name of the law. Lock her up.

6 February 12:24 hrs 

How about any of:

Andrew Mountbatten Windsor

Mandelson 

Trump

Giuliani

Freddy Kruger

Ian Brady

MBS

Russell Brand

Stephen Port

Dennis Nilsen

Any good?

🤔

Fascinating that anti-semitism is so extreme in the UK that I can't tell if 11:03 is a troll or being sincere. Poe's Law in action.

It seems absurd that anyone could sincerely think that a racist video of Obama might somehow be all about Gaza. And yet, it wouldn't be close to the maddest thing we've heard the nutters of RoF say about Israel/Gaza stuff this week.

Obsessive crank? Or just someone impersonating an obsessive crank? How can we know for sure?

@Anonymous 10 February 26 09:59 - and Lord Lester.

Anonymous 09 February 26 16:18

Almost everything you've said there is false.

“Epstein's own conviction for child prostitution was reached as part of a plea deal relating to a number of charges relating to minors, from age 14 up,”

False. There were allegations in police reports and witness statements involving girls as young as 14. Those allegations were never filed as charges in the Florida case. They were not part of the plea deal. They were not adjudicated. He was only - ONLY - charged with two charges -  solicitation of prostitution (misdemeanor) and solicitation of prostitution from a minor (felony - the minor was 17 years old). He pleaded guilty to to both.

"and of course charges were drawn up against him a second time for offences against minors, again aged 14 up, in 2019.  He wasn't found guilty on the second set of charges a because he committed suicide before trial (or someone else saved him the trouble)."

Yes, these indeed were charges filed. No, it was for the first time, and they weren't proven because no trial occured, not simply because he died. You can't say you absolutely know he would have been convicted and play judge, jury and executioner, despite never having seen any of the evidence either way first-hand in that case (no one has because it's sealed).

"However, Ghislaine Maxwell was found guilty of grooming minors as young as 14 for Epstein.  So the abuse of children as young as 14 by Epstein has been established as fact in a court of law, albeit not in a trial of Epstein himself."

False. Maxwell’s convictions in federal court in NYC were under federal statutes where “minor” means under 18, regardless of New York’s age of consent of 17. Those offences are effectively strict-liability as to age. If the person was under 18, it does not matter that they consented i.e. if there was a single person found to be 17 at the time by the jury, she was guilty of all charges. It does not matter that the defendant believed they were 18. Fake ID as alleged by the defence or reasonable belief is no defence. The jury did not make findings that Maxwell procured anyone under 16. References to 14–15-year-olds come from prosecution submissions, not from jury findings. US judges can do things differently to UK judges e.g. in sentencing remarks - the judge mentioned evidence the prosecution brought up, but in the US they can make factual statements in sentencing after a jury verdict on balance of probabilities, not beyond reasonable doubt, strictly outlawed in UK. None of this would translate to the UK in fact where the age of consent 16 and offences involving 16-17 year olds require proof of exploitation and abuse, not age alone, which was not the case here. Additionally, the charges Epstein would have faced would have been materially different and MATERIALLY trickier in many ways to prove (even though the conduct alleged against him was worse).

Damn, why don't I meet girls like this. 

Oh yeh that's right, it's coz I is poor. 

@Mr John - I know right!

I ask my girlfriend for pics of her hot sister, I get dumped.

Epstein does it and gets a "sorry, I'll send them right over, apologies for the delay".

I've hit on shitloads of Clifford Chance trainees but somehow managed to miss the ones that are quite that nuts. 

The hell am I doing wrong? Do I need to start laying it on thicker during their first year? Or do I just need to lie harder about the size of my bank account?