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Liam Neeson to be sentenced later day
Asturias Es Mi… 05 Feb 19 09:03
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What a really bizarre story to tell... ...even if it is true you would just keep quiet. It’s not just the racist aspect it’s the fact that he was menkal enough to run outside and clobber the first person who happened to look like the rapist...

...PLUS, you would stay with the woman who has raped!

Oi... I did this yesterday.... but ... who the fvcks reaction is that

1. Finds about historic rape of friend

2. Asks the colour of rapist

3. Walks around armed looking for a black man to fight with and kill...

Obs - black people are interchangeable and should be punished for any transgression by anyone.

FFS

Why on earth would he admit this?  It is wrong on so many levels.

 

 

 

As somebody said on the radio this morning - it is testament to how privileged and safe he feels that he can admit to carrying a weapon with intent to kill from racial motivation.

On one level, it is helpful for somebody, particularly from the liberal Hollywood set to admit to racist instincts that have to be combated (many more have them than care to admit) on the other it seems to me to be a pretty serious racially motivated crime being admitted here that needs to be dealt with (plenty of black men get sentenced for carrying knives without an intent to kill)

I half read this last night, isn’t he just saying he went out looking to be started on as he felt like killing a black person? Admittedly this is pretty bad but is nowhere near the sun headline I just walked past “Liam neeson in racist murder plot”

Given that he's carved out a niche as an ageing hard man I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was talking bollocks to shift his reputation away from being a nice guy in order to win some new roles now he's getting too old to be taken seriously as someone who can beat up a twenty year old in 30 seconds.

Sounds to me like he was being suitably actorish prowling the streets with a cosh but carefully avoiding anywhere where he might actually have to do something.  He was probably wandering some deserted part of a nature reserve seething on the offchance he might come across someone else but was unlikely to do so.

I can't be sure, of course, but his story sounds like bullshit to me to verify his hard man capable of revenge credentials.  

When Bullshit Goes Wrong - 9pm - Thursdays - on Channel 5

 

 

 

isn’t he just saying he went out looking to be started on as he felt like killing a black person? Admittedly this is pretty bad but is nowhere near the sun headline I just walked past “Liam neeson in racist murder plot”

they're not that far apart, tbh.

"I can't be sure, of course, but his story sounds like bullshit to me to verify his hard man capable of revenge credentials".  

 

If you wanted to prove your are a hardman I very much doubt this is the story you would make up - taking out a weapon with the hope you get to kill ANY black man?  Taking a weapon and trying to find the man who did it, you may well boast about that but this?  Come on...

 

 

You are aware that Liam Neeson used to be a very useful boxer when he was younger, yes?

I’d say that together with his size and physical condition that would make him pretty tough.

It is a weird fckg story tbh.  I just get a mental image of him walking around Limerick going "where da fuk are all the black people"

I have a very particular set of skills

finding black people is it?

no, oim shoite at that

 

So the takeaway seems to be: if you’ve ever had horrible racist thoughts in the past never ever admit to them.

Cos no matter how horrible you consider them now you will be treated as if you still holding those views and are incapable of change.

I was particularly struck by the commentary linking his making of this self admittedly “horrible “ admission to his privilege.

obviously privilege is an issue to acknowledge but who the hell will admit such things if the confession itself is criticized as a mistake?

*sighs and awaits abuse*

 

 

 

erm

pretty sure he confessed to a crime, asti (not thinking the racist thought, forming the intention and taking the initial steps towards committing a murder)

Am aware he used to box.  He's probably far tougher than the average 66 year old.  Fully agree its an odd one to bullshit about, but a few things about the story just don't add up for me.

 

I'd say the takeaway was

1. If you do admit them... don't start the anecdote by describing your intended victim as a "black bastard".... that doesn't indicate previously held views but currently held views.

2. Don't justify the violence, but not see it even as an issue that the first thing you ask about was colour and then you assume all blacks are equally culpable.

3. Just ... don't.

Do I think he should be judged for walking around armed to find someone to kill...? Yes.  Because that is an offence.  The fact he didn't find someone is just lucky for them.  Saying "sorry" isn't the punishment for an offence. So, I'll judge away.  He should be judged for this.

 

He first asked if his friend knew who did it or could describe the assailant.  When she couldn't provide that information he moved to asking about race which I believe is what the police also do.

Apart from his admission though what evidence is there to actually take him to court with?  He clearly wasn't picked up wandering around with a cosh and interview can just claim he made the whole thing up.

3-ducks05 Feb 19 11:12

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 Question him? Wtf? Do you mean the Thought Police?

No Dux... the real police... the ones who get involved when you admit wandering the streets armed with a cosh looking for someone to kill.

You geddit, don't you?  He didn't just think it... he did it.  He went out armed looking for a victim.

 

I would hope that all crime everywhere has been solved before the police interview an actor about something he made up 40 years ago.

You may as well set them on tecco

ZG - did you miss the story about the woman being arrested for tweeting that gender is not the same as sex? arrested and held for 7 hours despite being a mother of two small children.

So, confessing to intent to commit murder??

Clergs - no I've not seen that, and as you've set it out it sounds nuts, but just because some underemployed police do something stupid in once place, doesn't mean they should elsewhere.

As for Liam, it's clearly a fvcking stupid thing to say, and fvck knows what he was doing repeating the story now, but he does at least show some insight in the quotes that it was a horrible thing to do/think and that it came from a dark place.

 

It's a bloody weird story but I don't understand why people are so desperate to twist it to try to make it worse.

Eg - "his use of the language "black bastard" shows currently held views" errrrr no it's blindingly obvious from his use of quotations in the interview that this was how he thought about it then, and he is now appalled by his former self

Etc etc

It's quite bad enough without making shit up

I don't know but I doubt you can intend to murder someone when you haven't identified that specific person in any sense. For the purposes of this being an actual crime, I mean. 

Also, while I'm not sure it's been established where all this took place, is it actually a crime to intend to murder someone without an actus reus? Would have thought the best they could get him on would be possession of an offensive weapon - we probably need Bailey to confirm.

Heh at wanting the police to spend time on this when there’s tens of thousands of actual knife crimes over the last recorded year.

as one of the commentators put it on R4 this morning, we can’t hope to address this stuff without acknowledging how far we’ve come  AND how far we’ve yet to go.

Anyway, this is as much about gender identity roles as racism (the idea of the male as protector) and the idea that past perspectives can’t be honestly discussed without potential criminal investigation should be terrifying to any who wants actual change rather than pious grandstanding .

 

intent is certainly a crime Zero... whether what he admitted to is intent we'd need Mutters and Bailey, but he admitted to deliberately arming himself and going out to look for someone to kill.

 

 

On the mean streets of Balham, an horiffic sadist has a small flat.  he lures young men there and keeps them hostage whilst talking about knots.  when they expire from boredom he dismembers them and packages the flesh in old tins of spam which he takes to the local food bank...

The Sailor, in cinemas from Feb 14th...

 

"If he's guilty the police should be talking to me and I suspect many others on the basis that in an angry moment I've considered killing someone."

 

Sails, have you taken a weapon and gone out on the street looking for a random person to kill?  If so, yes you are also guilty.  If not, we are not talking about the same thing.

Apparently he's been sentenced to wander round London with a few million other white men, where there's a black guy with a cosh who might hit him (or one of the other white guys) if one of them starts on him.

Incidentally I hehmaxxed @ a description of Devon Toner as a colossal weapon in one of the broadsheets this weekend, especially given etymology of the perjorative. 

I had a quick look at the article in the indie. it's very strange story.  I think it must be true - why on earth would you make that up?  only he knows how serious his 'intent' was.  Not clear to me WHEN he was walking the street like a seething highly agitated racist

Not sure the point that you are trying to make Bernstein, in the interview, the description was given some time after the event when he returned from being out of the country. 

I'm slightly less bothered now it turns out to have been in the late 70's when the police did far worse and attitudes to this kind of thing were rather different.  From the way it was originally reported it sounded like he'd done this in the last few years.

Re: the idea that the police would interview him for once, 40 years ago, having possessed the intent to commit murder (nb not acted upon - and ignoring the fact that it obviously didn't happen...).

Doesn't this righteous desire to have the full might of the state come down upon him rather fail, on the grounds that possessing the intent to commit murder is not a criminal offence?

Only if you consider that he had no more than intent which would be a wild misrepresentation of his own words.  In his own words he went out looking for it and prepared for it and if his actions were more than "merely preparatory", that would be attempted murder.

There's an offence of going equipped for burglary or theft, he was going equipped to twot someone's head in.

The righteous desire to have the full might of the state come down upon him fails, not the grounds that possessing the intent to commit murder is not a criminal offence because on his own case there was quite a bit more than intent involved, it fails on the grounds of what's the fooking point.

Do you need a victim for attempted murder and some actual attempt rather than strolling round a deserted suburban Belfast street muttering under your breath?  Actually must have been after he left NI as there weren't any black people there in the 70's.

Surely a conviction is only viable in the US where the old "we've got a confession so who cares if there's any other evidence" evidential threshold applies?

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