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Who killed Jill Dando

Who watched this?

it is ignominious all round.

I feel sorry for her family,  friends, the unsafely convicted Barry George, and the detective that headed up the investigation who seems very broken by the frustrations of the case which he and the CPS considered worth putting before a jury who convicted... they were sure but on the basis of some thin evidence- ultimately due to one grain of type 2 ballistic residue of a similar nature to that found on the shell at the scene but found in a pocket of George’s coat a year after events which statistically could have been due to contamination from others including brushing up against a hobby shooter or police officer on the tube. 

A very unsafe conviction and a very painful lack of closure for all. Will we ever find something new out?

It was called The Murder of Jill Dando, and was on BBC1 at 9pm last night but I’m not sure that helps you answer my question. I am able to deduce ‘no’ from your post though.

i should have led the investigation

it is on iPlayer 

I remember the events well as I was buying a house that day in SW6 and my agent was showing another house in Gowan Avenue and was interviewed by the Police. He was really shaken up when I spoke to him that morning. 

Barry George lived in a ground floor flat opposite one of my friends in a road south of the Fulham Rd and was the local oddball /Walter Mitty fella, a bit into Soldier of Fortune magazines and so on, but not a shooter. More than a bit intellectually limited. 

By all accounts his flat was a full on masturbatorium, but as we all know from our law school days there is similar fact evidence and irrelevant evidence, and the vast swathes of onanistic materials showing blonde women ‘like’ Jill Dando, gun mags and a copy of a paper with an article about Dando should not have been something that swayed the jury. 

 

I was walking through the cemetery when it happened towards my flat on bronsart road.  Not very far away at all..  was gutted when I learned what happened, she was an absolute gem of a human.

I respect what you say and your sentiment 

 

but it sounds weird and obsessive.

I’m counting you as a lead. You say you weren’t far away. Please describe your precise movements that day. 

 

Oh you can’t remember precisely.

how convenient 

Describe your mental health then and since

relationships? 

What sort of people are you attracted to?

Show me your internet history 

medication then? Since? What for..

 

 

you see how easily this is done 

No, I have absolutely no idea how old fashioned policing could ever possibly lead them to manage to secure an unsound conviction at any cost.  Duh.

Please old bean, grant me a modicum of respect.

One area of the investigation - of investigations generally - I really do have alarm bells about is the treatment of vulnerable witnesses. 

Everyone who knew Barry George/ Bulsara knew that he was a man with serious vulnerabilities, learning difficulties and was easily led. He lurked around the Legal Advice Centre frequently (it was just down by the fire station on the Fulham Road). I volunteered there and he was always interested in what was going on, annoyingly so, loitering in the waiting room and talking to people with things on their minds but not coming in for legal advice. He was the sort of person who lacked contact and needed it so sought it out in semi public spaces like that, the doctors’ surgery and the library. 

He was interviewed by the police on suspicion of murder with inadequate levels of attention to how he could be led in a conversation. He said ‘no sir’ to questions about whether he has replica guns, had ever shot guns etc, but didn’t then see off the line of questioning with positive assertions of innocence because he couldn’t. He just said no to inferences and allegations. It was close to a no comment interview and by then - post 1995 CJPO Act - was possible for the jury to draw conclusions from that. There should have been more care and consideration by the police but if they had said ‘is there anything else you want to say’ (to which you or I might say ‘I don’t know what you’re getting at cockchops but I didn’t do this, ok, and this is why....’) he’d have just said ‘no, sir’. 

Easy fella, I was just making a light hearted comment about you being nearby. 

 

Do you have a tendency to swift anger and uncontrolled reactions based on perceived insult? Did a blonde TV presenter once reject your correspondence?

 

i ask that with a modicum of respect 

Can we not do this on this thread pls. I was joking but it could have been anyone.

I lived in SW6 and probably have plenty of type 2 residue on clothes from firearms I own. I have a moderator for a pistol hanging around in my garage for no good reason. I never had a pistol but it also fits a rifle I once had but that has gone so I should have given it away with the gun but I didn’t. This could be used against me. Did I dispose of an unauthorised handgun used for a hit? No, but could I deal with that and explain myself if questioned but with learning difficulties? Probably not. Could have been me wrongly convicted and imprisoned for 8 years. 

I saw it, very sad case all round.

i remember that say too. About five miles away in Chiswick, the scaffolders working on the house next door to me were asked (inexplicably) by some man if they knew where Jill Dando lived. I never did find out whether this happened before or just after the murder but my neighbour spoke to police about it.

There's a comment piece from yesterday discussing the role of mobile phone records and hacking, I assume that's in the prog. It shouldn't go unremarked that the media was massively into iirc sending BG down for it at the time, and inspector knacker doubtless had the usual pressures applied. Unbelievable that it's gone unsolved.

(1) I have always thought it was Wang who lived next door to Mog and it's one of the reasons for my v great affection for him, which I guess has to be xferred to Muttley now.

(2) Teclis - there used to be an upstairs flat full of "young men" on Bronsart Road which would be open house for young ladies once the nightclubs shut. Was that you?

Haha no that was further down the road, I lived alone but did a fairly good hospice for saffa and/or Brazilian chicks from the slug and lettuce pool room.  

Also my sister and her husband had the flat next door so I was pretty well behaved in terms of outward appearances.

I did have a cat.  Flash. Don't abandon me. he got run over and I had to go and shovel him off the road (my old man had karked it so I was the boy in charge).  Guts everywhere.

(Even when I was young and athletic it would be a stretch to refer to me as hot.  Charismatic, life and soul of the party, devil may care attitude, misplaced confidence, all yes.  Hot, not so much.)

Muttley - this is a pretty arrogant approach. The murder is abhorrent, but to assume you could have done a better job leading the investigation is in bad taste.

You're intent on killing someone. You walk down the street at a time you know your target will be leaving their house. Noone is around, and you're armed. You walk up to the victim and shoot, bam bam. Then swiftly, just as you arrived, you leave the scene. Noone sees you and no one can place you at the crime scene, you have no criminal record. There is no CCTV.

Under any circs, it's going to be hard to find the person who did it. Cut them some slack.

You moron. You have misread. 

At 8.50 I said ‘I am able to deduce no from your post’ then ‘I should have led the investigation’

that was me having a laugh at the deductive skills evidenced in my first para.

 

keep up

Heh m7 even a Huddersfield player could have scored in those days, was a wonderful time.

It reminds me of one of my most cringe moments.  I had given a set of keys to my favourite uncle and aunt, years before, so they didn’t have to bother with hotels if they were in London and I wasn’t around.

One week, I had initially been scheduled to be working overseas for a few months but the departure date got shunted back so, doing what I did, found myself a willing young brazillian girl and filled my boots for a few days.

Everything was going swimmingly - about day 3 or 4 - she was gobbling me off just as I had come back from the pastry shop on Munster road.  And in walk my aunt and uncle.  My uncle just burst out laughing and proceeded to push my aunt back into the hallway to “give us a moment”.

I actually found out recently that they never grassed me up to my mum, lol.  I joked about it with my uncle at a funeral, funny how these things work out.

Maria-Lucia.  I’ll never forget her haha.

this is another of your regular ‘I just say things without reading the detail’ posts isn’t it?

‘I feel sorry for her family,  friends, the unsafely convicted Barry George, and the detective that headed up the investigation who seems very broken by the frustrations of the case which he and the CPS considered worth putting before a jury who convicted...’

 

if that isn’t cutting him slack then... oh what’s the point  

Strutter: well she was the bird blozzing me when my aunt and uncle walked in.  Kinda tough to forget that given it’s one of only three times that something like that has ever happened to me!

Oh no we’re toing to get the detail on the other two now (mum caught him with a dwarf hanging off the back; once got into back of shot in family video when the dog was chowing down on him in the bushes)

Heh mutters, no such horror.  Other one was with a woman I was married to at the time and her aunt just randomly walked into our bedroom without knocking.  

Ok other one was a bit of drama, my parents and my sisters parents in law were unimpressed, as was the girls boyfriend later, by all accounts.  However, in my defence, people really do need to knock.

Couldn’t you, in future, simply express an opinion using words please?

I really dislike this modern approach of showing random pictures instead of actually enunciating one’s opinion properly.

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