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Warwick University: haven for sex offenders

so 11 men share messages about raping women (specific women, other students they knew) throwing in lots of racism and antisemitism too

and they are suspended for less than a year with no effective punishment

and THIS is the reason:

'We are sorry that the decision as a result of our processes has upset so many members of our own community and beyond.

'The University started an investigation as soon as we were made aware of the content of the first group chat. It was that investigation that uncovered a second group chat, and both were then investigated at the same time.    

'The panel reached the view that there were clear reasons to require that the punishments imposed should be comparable across all of those individuals sanctioned by the major disciplinary process.

'As a consequence, all those students for whom the major disciplinary cases were proven have broadly comparable penalties, and those penalties were set to allow the complainants to complete their studies before the disciplined students were given the opportunity to return.

'The penalties imposed combine direct punishment for the deeply offensive and threatening comments made during the chats, future behavioural restrictions and a requirement to engage in processes to enable them to learn from their past unacceptable behaviours.' 

I have said it before and I will say it again - fook HR people and their ilk.

Thought police much?  

We’re they making plans? Or direct threats? Or were they just a bunch of idiot students fantasising together about women far beyond their reach?

Sorry but as lads we always used to talk about women we knew in incredibly derogatory and oversexualised terms, they were just stupid to have done so in a manner which is traceable.

“As lads we always used to talk about women we knew in incredibly derogatory and oversexualised terms.”

A) Charming.  Maybe that’s a bit grim too and those women would have been pretty appalled as well.  You’re not coming out of that with any credit, let alone for using it to argue the only thing this lot did wrong was write it down.

B) Were you talking with your mates about how you’d like to rape them?  Really?  Do you not think that is - erm - a bit off?  Bit OTT?  If your mate told you he’d like to use hair straighteners on the genitalia of a real girl you both know, would you think, “Dave’s a bit of a strange one” or just tell him fair enough, but not to write it down?  Or would you join in?  

A) Not trying for credit, just saying it for how it was when I was in my teens.

B) Maybe not quite as overtly nasty as rape, but there have been the odd comment here or there, for decencies sake I won't go into them but yeah, you wouldn't want the object of the chaps lust to hear it.  And hair straighteners? Wtf, that's a bit niche for me but kids these days, exposed to god knows what on the internet...  As randy once said in South Park "once you've been watching Brazilian fart porn, playboy just doesn't cut it anymore". I strongly suspect that the generation who have grown up with a plethora of hardcore internet porn are going to have been far more desensitised than my peers and I at a similar age.

 

That's scientifically proven Tecco. They did a study where a bunch of men of all different ages went cold turkey on porn and they measured how long it took for their brains to get back to "normal" responsiveness to "normal" sexual stimulus (ie, not Brazilian gonzo fart pron). 

Older men (ie, not "old", just old enough that they went through puberty and adolescence without having instant streamable free hardcore pron and had to rely on magazines etc) took a couple of weeks. Younger men (who came of age post Internet) took like 3 months pllus from memory. 

Surely if it was a credible threat or considered to have been in anyway seriously intended, they'd be in jail.  What I see is a bunch of childish twots all trying to outdo one another as to the sickest thing they can think of yet with absolutely no intention of carrying any of it out.

Probably aimed at the women who turned them down or they felt too inferior to approach.  It's pathetic but it ends there, rather than being sinister.

 

Not to justify it but it underlines the issue of crowd behaviour, particularly online.

 

One says mildly unsavoury thing and is not challenged on it, and does not see the "WTF" faces from others as this is online.  

Cue progression and normalising of these comments.

 

I have friends who are tradespeople.  I think if I ever saw the stuff they share on whatsapp groups I would spontaneously combust.  That's not to say it is acceptable, but it is a common result.

Frankly I think it is a little bit much for a bunch of stupid kids.  If I understand correctly, the victims of the comments have finished their studies.  So, effectively, having removed the issue for the rest of their university life they now want to prevent these boys from finishing theirs?

What they did is horrible but what exactly WOULD have been an appropriate outcome?  It is really easy to say it was wrong to do that but what should have happened?  Force them to go to another university - presumably without any conditions at all?  As someone else has said, it is massively offensive and is rightly the subject of massive condemnation, but presumably it was considered seriously by police and determined not to be a crime.  Everyone at their uni will know who they are and they will get the message that what they did was reprehensible.

 I think destroying these boys lives for this is not a good thing.

The whole story seems odd.  surely they were not posting this on a public chatboard? 

 

also I suspect there is a massive big old elephant in the room too but who knows.

It was on a private Whatsapp group Wang, but one of the members of the group took screenshots/leaked it and it kind of exploded in the national media (I think we discussed it on ROF when the story first broke too). 

I am struggling with my feelings about this.  On one hand it was really properly nasty stuff they were saying and they should be ashamed and potentially publicly shamed.  This kind of behaviour should be punished or more "men" will grow up thinking this is ok.  On the other hand, they didn't break the law, they should be allowed to get on with their lives (with everyone knowing what they said).

I don't know. I think probably the latter.  I don't really subscribe to pour encourager les autres.

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