Unconscious bias training

God help us

I have done this.  It started with pictures of butterflies and spiders and picking good / bad for each image.  Apparently it is the one the met use.  I like spiders and butterflies.

The head of the LGBTQX etc. Committee came out as hugely biased against their own gender.

Friend of mine did this recently.  Seems he has an unconscious bias but they didn't really train him what to do about it.

There's a lot of unconscious bias. Probably not so unconscious for women, black people, gay people or old people. Bias can also be against non-native speakers, part time workers, fat people, lawyers, etc. 

"Don't be a dick" probably better approach than 'training' tho.

I like being biased and generally capricious as regards characteristics which are not protected ones.

I bossed this test. No unconscious bias appaz. Obvs I might have lots of conscious bias, but you can't test for that.

My ex in [undisclosed location in California] who works for a theatre is having to roll this out for all the staff.

She's dreading it, and reckons a lot of 'progressives' will be forced to face themselves.

I hate spiders. Hate them. I kill any and all spiders in our house whenever I get the chance, unless they are 7mm or shorter in total length, legs included, in which case I'll pick them up and let them run over my hands. 

Does that make me a racist?

Are the trainers saying that BAME people are spiders or something?

I don't get it.

My m7 Dave totally and utterly believes arachnids came from space on a meteor.  This is actually quite a popular mental disorder if you Google it

I did this, it was useful in highlighting and talking about aspects of a thing which we all obviously do.  If you're not a dick about it then its just a different perspective, and that's often useful and thought provoking.

‘Bias’ is, obviously, a relative term, defined in terms of an absolute, a reference point, etc. And, also obviously, who fvcking decides where that point lies, and therefore what amounts to ‘bias’? Utter fvcking lunacy. If you want society to break down, if you want minorities to be persecuted etc, then there can be no surer route to it than to tell everyone else what to believe, as if they are sinners. 

forster

Starmer, needless to say, has never spotted a bandwagon he didn't want to jump right on and energetically pump it until another one came along.

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FTFY.

I did this in respect of interviewing and actually found it very useful. 

Thankfully our HR guy said that this actually doesn't really do much good and can make things worse not better, so we won't be doing anything on this.

...Meh

Thankfully our HR guy said that this actually doesn't really do much good and can make things worse not better

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He sounds properly fucking biased.

People who wear green socks are cunts*.

*awaits condemnation for racial/gender bias on the basis that green socks are part of the proud national dress of women in a sub-Saharan country unlikely to be asked to host the Olympics any time soon. 

Another source of ‘guilt for all’ from the woke

I had to do this. 
 

example question: 
 

*15 minute fact pattern that you can’t skip*

“should you invite Claire to the golf outing?” 

a. No, because girls don’t like golf

b. Yes, because not inviting her would be discrimination

c. You should not play golf with work colleagues

E. Claire has a proven track history of getting absolutely shit faced and insulting clients. She is currently the subject of 3 investigations by HR, is on probation for the 3rd time in 5 years, and has left copies of her updated CV on shared printers, together with sensitive work documents festooned with post it notes saying "reminder: will new place want to see this?". Those who follow her on facebook note that she has commented that "I'd facking love to facking smash someone in with a partner's golf club so they get the blame LOL #perfectcrime #clearthepromotionclutter", and she has recently installed a rice cooker in the third floor meeting room. She has never, ever played golf.

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WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DIDN'T INVITE HER? YOU MONSTER!

g. yes because she’s smoking hot, dresses well, and is a good laugh

mine was more about the temptation to chat about common people or interests etc with people at interviews rather than keeping an objective approach.    We are all unconsciously biased towards PLUs

I did this in respect of interviewing and actually found it very useful. 

Why does this not surprise me?

how much did you guys pay for your unconscious bias training?

I’ve done whole days of this and if you have a great team delivering workshops on it then it can be enormously helpful and reveals all sorts of things that might have passed you by otherwise. I think this is important for people to do. 

what was the most important thing it revealed to you about yourself?

It's useful but it confirmed all my biases were conscious

My ignorance of certain cultural norms in my culture and that of others and how I can read certain signals of signs of behaviour and attitude when in fact they may be intended to portray the exact opposite. Attitudes to Conflict, hierarchy and compliance in particular can be markedly different and intended to use a single lens to evaluate. My error. 

Death to Myers Briggs and all the other versions of the same shite. Learning to get in with different types of people is a basic skill that doesn't need overcomplicating. Don't be a khunt, unless the other khunt deserves it.

The point is about learning what some believe is khuntocity but to you is neutrality or better. 

Don't these tests pretty much all come out saying that you're biased? Do you ever have a result of someone being unbiased (unless you blatantly game all the stupid questions of course)

Naa, Muttley the point is for khunty types to give themselves an excuse for being khunty. "Oh, I'm such an entj I can't help taking credit for your work and backstabbing you at every opportunity, it's just the way I am."

I've seen a bunch of people put their myers briggs results in dating profiles which is pretty much useless to me as I don't know or care what the letters mena.

The training itself was fine.  There were some pictures of I assume same sex couples where I couldn't tell what sex they actually were but if you want to hold hands with what may be Andy The Viking or poss Mrs Cameron, go ferret.

I'm with Tom on the dating front.  I have no idea what personality type I am let alone which four letter combination I'm suited to.

I just did the gender one on Geoff's link and I have no bias

I think I passed but god it was tedious, can't be arsed with the others

Myers Briggs pretends to be clever but just feeds out what you put in.   You have to pretty stupid if you tick not being very comfortable at parties if you don't realise you are an introvert FFS, asking basically the same question 25 different ways doesn't add insight.

Myers Briggs is basically fortune telling for HR.

"Are there times where you prefer to be alone?" Yes.  Hmm interesting!

"Are there times where you enjoy the company of others?" Yes.  Hmm interesting!

You are an IAFGHVI* - somebody who sometimes likes privacy and sometimes enjoys companionship.

You know Myers Briggs is a massive con because there isn't a box that says "sorry you're a cunt".

There's a new system doing the rounds that does it by colours.  I believe it makes me yellow but not sure what that means.

A former boss swore by Myers Briggs as an exact science and could not be persuaded otherwise . He spent his career at Bain et al doing management consultancy ...

i once had a training contract assessment day with a law firm and had prepared quite hard for the interviews. they had at least 20 + candidates in the same day. the first thing they made us do was some myer briggs type thing. Imagine my joy when 3 names were read out of people who could go home on basis of the results....

I've heard stories of a manager giving his direct reports certain types of work only because of their MB scores that the company had shared with him that year.

"Dave is a real TEED so he will be on diligence.  Eric is FITT so he will be on client management.  Fran is a NERD so she will be on the calculations."

(or whatever the actual four letter options are). 

Your test results are not particularly repeatable, you could take the test (in a mood) on a Wednesday and get a different result if you took the same test on a Friday (having weekend fever).  It's a bit like answering how a shopping experience was out of 10 and then being asked the almost exact same question another 8 times.  "it was fine" doesn't seem to cut it any more.

I also did my colours test (along with everyone else in my firm) and my whole department came out blue (which I think was "likes to get in the detail but is also vaguely useful") - basically a fortune telling description of a lawyer if ever I'd had one.    

 

@Diceman maybe there is a "you are a cunt" box on the MB test and I missed it on first passing!

a. No, because girls don’t like golf

b. Yes, because not inviting her would be discrimination

c. You should not play golf with work colleagues

a. Some girls do. (No, I can't explain this either.)

b. Correct.

c. Even more correct.

d. Pick a better activity ffs. 

“should you invite Claire to the golf outing?” 

a. No, because girls don’t like golf

b. Yes, because not inviting her would be discrimination

c. You should not play golf with work colleagues

d. No, you should cancel the outing because golf is shite and nobody really wants to go.

Heh, soz Lady P, missed your post but note we are ad idem on the golf thing. 

I'll even take you for dinner on a Mon-Wed if you like Dicey (somewhere modest at least). 

I tried the implicit racial bias one for African Americans v European Americans. Apparently I'm moderately biased towards African Americans and against European Americans. Great test!

Is diversity training a way for the 1% to pretend to have had contact with the 99% ?

"i know how to converse with poors now"

Yes Dimi I said the same to a boss about doing it on different days and getting different outcomes , he said “ no, no, it’s too clever for that”

The response 'God Help Us' to the idea that people should receive unconscious bias training sounds like someone talking from a position of privilege. 

For those of us who haven't won the privilege lottery, we literally experience/suffer your unconscious bias as you blithely wander through life taking for granted things that other people can only dream of.

Others' prejudice has cost me so much, including a better salary and confidence both of which would have made a substantial difference to my life.

Some examples of the bias that I've been at the receiving end of; 

Followed in a store and then stopped at the exit and publicly accused of theft

Developing a habit when walking out of a store, noting the CCTV camera and making a show that my hands are empty.

Being judged and found wanting for not wearing the right clothes in the work place or following the unspoken customs of the workplace including 'going for drinks in a bar'. 

Made to feel ashamed for being not-white/Told to go back to my own country.

Have a passenger get up and move to a different part of the carriage so they don't have to sit near (not even next to) me.

Programmed to be (slightly) racist in favour of white people and and against people of my own race - according to the Harvard Racial Bias Quiz.

 

 

 

It's f*king exhausting. So I'm not sorry for being po-faced on the subject.

That sounds like you’ve have the privilege to impute motives on others without good reason. 

Seems I am in fact a racist, at least according to the Harvard test:

During the IAT you just completed:

Your responses suggested a strong automatic preference for African Americans over European Americans.

That sounds like you’ve have the privilege to impute motives on others without good reason. 

 

That told me good.  I'm humbled. 

I think the part I find most depressing and exhausting is the speed with which people allow themselves to become manipulated, usually because of their lack of moral character, by which I mean their ability or wish to analyse facts and givens beyond their surface.

Twitter has ruined society. People are so desperate for likes and ‘followers’ that they will adopt any position irrespective of its absolute value. It’s a basic point, trite even, but it’s dominant and destructive.

 

I did one of the Harvard IAT linked above. Seemed to me more a test of my ability to remember and follow instructions without getting confused and continue to do so when they change the instructions, than an actual test of my attitudes.

Blindtom- yes it's like putting a 'witch' in water and seeing if she floats. The fact you have framed it as being 'witches' and 'witch-finders' presupposes that she might be guilty and let's face it if we're going that far let's just assume that they are all guilty because y'know they probably are all witches even if they manage to hide it well. Burn them!!!

The response 'God Help Us' to the idea that people should receive unconscious bias training sounds like someone talking from a position of privilege. 

For those of us who haven't won the privilege lottery, we literally experience/suffer your unconscious bias as you blithely wander through life taking for granted things that other people can only dream of.

Since I was making fun of the Harvard test, I just want to say I agree (apart from being one of the ones who won the privilege lottery). My objection is to methods that don't actually do what they claim (i.e. the Harvard test), not to the principle.

I was using the Harvard Test on the assumption that it was reliable, but maybe its easier to talk from my own personal experience which the Harvard test corroborated. I notice from my own thought patterns I can subconsciously assume that white people are better skilled/more likely to be right in a given situation. It's not a strong assumption, and its relatively easily dispelled if I pay attention, but its' there nevertheless and it costs effort to dispel it.

It's unsurprising. At school, apart from a little bit about arabs being the fathers of modern medicine all I got from lessons was how white people were really great. History is taught from a white-centric/europe-centric point of view, and no, it's not a good reason to say 'well, we live in europe so we should know about good things white people did.'

I was never taught that Churchill was responsible for the Bengal famine resulting in the deaths of millions, or that white people started the opium wars which resulted in thousands of Chinese people getting addicted to opium for the profit of the white man.

I never learned that the Haitians were responsible for their own liberation from slavery but was taught that it was white people coming in to save them.

If I was taught anything in maths, chemistry, economics or history about brown people doing good things, it wasn't enough for me to remember it. It was all Newton this, and Fermat that, and Avagadro's the other.

The undercurrent of the learning was that brown and black people have nothing to offer the world. White people are the thinkers, doers and saviours. No one said it explicitly. It was just assumed, consciously or otherwise.

And because I was relentlessly bullied for being different/brown and likened to bad things, its hard not to internalise that.

Maybe unconscious bias training isn't the way to go but tell me a better way to sort out what is clearly a problem. 

 

[rof mode] I haven't read the thread [/rof mode] but we have been talking at work about whether or not to do unconscious* bias training because we used to but haven't got round to it recently.  The general consensus from black people was it's not helpful because it's just "great, I'm not a racist - TICK".  It doesn't actually change thoughts or behaviours.

 

*Should it be subconscious?  I'm fairly sure doing it whilst unconscious won't help.