I reckon that AGKC will focus his XX heavily on Prince Harry dressing up as a Nazi.
I wonder how he will address PH as "Sir" or "Your Highness"
Can his side not object on the basis that his dressing up is completely irrelevant to the question of whether or not someone tapped his phone illegally?
Agree re the infidelity will be focussed on bc PH blamed his break up with Chelsey on the press rather than the fact that he was messing around with other girls.
It is all very tedious and just another chapter of this stubborn floater’s We Want Our Privacy World Tour which will eventually end in tears and is to everyone’s disadvantage.
If he loses he will say the entire legal system and establishment is biased against him which is why they had to leave the Family and the country and he will become increasingly insufferable thinking he is still relevant from a more and more distant vantage point.
If he wins he will become increasingly insufferable thinking he is still relevant from a more and more distant vantage point.
the trouble with ex pats is they carry a snapshot of their former home and rail against that but the place moves on.
"The Duke of Sussex’s military training will help him cope with being cross-examined when he takes the stand in his court case against the publisher of the Daily Mirror, according to a royal expert.
Ingrid Seward told GB News: “The only thing that Harry does have on his side is he’s got that army training. And if you believe what he said in his book were which I presume we all do, he’s been through some very intense difficult moments during his army training."
As a teenager and in my early twenties, I ended up feeling as though I was playing up to a lot of the headlines and stereotypes that they wanted to pin on me mainly because I thought that, if they are printing this rubbish about me and people were believing it, I may as well ‘do the crime’, so to speak.
"It was a downward spiral, whereby the tabloids would constantly try and coax me, a ‘damaged’ young man, into doing something stupid that would make a good story and sell lots of newspapers.
Is this guy for real? It's all the newspapers fault whenever he behaves like an ass? Ceratinly opens up everything to XX tho, including the nazi uniform
In court, Prince Harry is asked about a line in his witness statement which reads: “How much more blood will stain their typing fingers before someone can put a stop to this madness.”
prince harry doesn't know from his own evidence whether or not the journalists for the relevant stories used or profited from phone hacking or other illegal sources of info
all he can say is that he didn't provide the information himself, and that he was adversely affected by them, both of which I suspect are not really in issue
as to the sources of the info, all prince harry can do is speculate or seek to draw inferences, which is unlikely to be helpful to the judge
faod the fact he has speculated in his statement doesn't mean he has to be challenged in xx on whether that speculation is correct
if I were the judge I'd be keeping this xx on a tight rein
Harry obviously did. It’s the sort of thing a client writes thinking it’s punchy and literary at the same time when at their kitchen table but leaves them looking like a twot when they have to read it out in court. It’s easy to imagine the conversation with his lawyer:
”Er… Are you sure you want to say that, sir?”
”Oh yar. It’s brilliant and makes them look really bad, ok?”
Always a real frisson of adrenalin the morning of an important XX, i bet AGKC was feeling it this morning. And yes, even at that stage in his career i am quite certain he feels the sense of anticipation, he just knows how to hide it better.
Really? There's no academic or intellectual challenge here, it's all just tittle tattle and should be a very easy win given the total dearth of evidence.
I would have thought a KC of his stature would have much bigger moments to be proud of.
Prince Harry has been struggling to find the various articles and documents in the many bundles of paperwork he has in front of him, writes Victoria Ward in the High Court.
I'm working my way through the statement. It doesn't really say much (so far). 'This article states xyz and I don't know where they got that info' basically.
I so wish i was at the Court of Appeal today, would definitely have wandered over to the Rolls to catch some of these gems. AGKC must be having such a wonderful time.
As far as I kno, Haz and Megz have never said they want 'privacy', what they've said is they don't want to be papped and have invented stories published about them.
The approach so far seems to be to let him down very gently to the fact that MGN didn't need to hack his phone as they were getting everything they needed from sources he thought were on his side.
The people he trusted were stitching him up, not the people he was suspicious of.
As the father-of-two at times struggled to acquaint himself with the reams of evidence in the “paginated bundles” before him, at one point joking: “I feel like we’re doing a workout,” there was little doubt Mr Green would be requiring him to do some heavy lifting in defending his phone hacking claim.
Before moving on to the tenth article in the claim, Mr Green hammers home the point that Harry had revealed his birthday plans and other private information in his embargoed Press Association interview.
“The position then is this - the private information of which you complain in the Daily Mirror article had been revealed by you and then published in other newspapers,” Mr Green tells the court.
“I see the similarities, of course,” Harry responds, before adding that he “believes the article was connected to an invoice” and that “the timing was suspicious.”
"Bundles" is a fvcking weird thing to call them as far as non-lawyers are concerned, Judy. Someone who doesn't use the term all the time just goes, "Paper? Folders? Documents? Lever-arch file? What's wrong with you morons?"
Ditto pagination. I bet to Telegraph reader ears, it sounds like "burglarize" and other US monstrosities, even it it makes sense to us.
I've just seen there's a bar in Canary Wharf called the Pagination. I'm sure you all knew that. I can't decide whether it's full of trainees drinking away their sorrows or nobbers... oh wait, yes I can.
Harry is complaining that the tabloid newspapers said mean things about him:
You start off as a blank canvas while they work out what kind of person you are and what kind of problems and temptations you might have. They then start to edge you towards playing the role or roles that suit them best and which sells as many newspapers as possible, especially if you are the ‘spare’ to the ‘heir’. You’re then either the ‘playboy prince’, the ‘failure’, the ‘dropout’ or, in my case, the ‘thicko’, the ‘cheat’, the ‘underage drinker’, the ‘irresponsible drug taker’, the list goes on.
The percentage of the population which comprises the lowest 10% by intelligence is 10%. We are rarely exposed to any of those people via the media because the media requires a certain level of verbal acuity. Maybe there are few athletes that are in this category but they're not the ones that have second careers as sports presenters. In all sincerity, I think Harry is a good reminder to us that there are in fact a significant number of low intelligence people. The fact that everything was done for him his whole life probably did not help him either. He's not just below average IQ. He's bottom 10% IQ. I don't say that as an insult - just a a fact - I don't believe moral worth is correlated with intelligence.
Bundle is a fvcking stupid word. Apart from anything else it suggests something both that’s been thrown together haphazardly and is not being held together securely - and let’s face it that’s what the average punter thinks has happened anyway.
I would have liked to be a fly on the wall when he instructed his team that he intended to be late for the trial so he could be at his daughter's birthday.
"Bundle" does have a common meaning not entirely dissimilar to the the niche one used here, but it's too much to expect people to know wtf it refers to.
I wonder now if Harry is realising why the Queen was against doing interviews and talking to the media during her lifetime.
Can’t see how this rehashing of every lurid headline over 20 odd hears is going to improve his mental nealth. Or his marriage. Running himself over - good analogy.
I find it quite surprising that so many of the articles he claims could only have derived from phone hacking are actually rewrites of articles that had already been published by other news outlets.
Shouldn't his lawyers have checked the stories to see if they'd already been splashed in the Daily Mail or on Reuters before the Mirror ran them???
Boo, looks like the strategy is to go easy on him so as to not detract from the obvious fact that his witness statement is choker with unsupported speculation, paranoia, absurd hyperbole and self-pitying victimhood. while being just a bit light on, well, actual evidence. I guess they don't want to risk the judge getting annoyed when they don't really need to hammer him. Hospital pass to the judge though, wonder how he's going to deal with it.
The coverage of this on telly is desperately poor. Word salads punctuated ho ho with here he is getting out of the car from five angles. Including a drone above.
The whole thing sounds a bit of a farce really but I guess there might just be enough on the balance of probability to suggest some hacking. I assume this legal team will also be questioning the journalists and PI's who might actually have some evidence.
The whole reason they decided to pursue Harry's claim is that they could argue he isn't motivated by getting money unlike some of the other people who were hacked but his whole life now is about making cash while he's still relevant.
As a teenager and in my early twenties, I ended up feeling as though I was playing up to a lot of the headlines and stereotypes that they wanted to pin on me mainly because I thought that, if they are printing this rubbish about me and people were believing it, I may as well ‘do the crime’, so to speak.
"It was a downward spiral, whereby the tabloids would constantly try and coax me, a ‘damaged’ young man, into doing something stupid that would make a good story and sell lots of newspapers.
Harry trying to re-invent himself as Shakespeare's Prince Hal. Who was Falstaff in this story I wonder?
Can his side not object on the basis that his dressing up is completely irrelevant to the question of whether or not someone tapped his phone illegally?
That would imply there's some sort of normal human reasoning involved in the litigation process.
is it a robed hearing?
Think he'll go for his integrity so will ask about any infidelity and also his drug abuse.
How severely do you think the judge will bollock him for yesterday?
Don't think that the judge will say anything more about the delay.
Do you think AGKC has had to read Spare and watch The Crown?
Agree re the infidelity will be focussed on bc PH blamed his break up with Chelsey on the press rather than the fact that he was messing around with other girls.
Judy it appears to be robed from the court sketches.
It is all very tedious and just another chapter of this stubborn floater’s We Want Our Privacy World Tour which will eventually end in tears and is to everyone’s disadvantage.
If he loses he will say the entire legal system and establishment is biased against him which is why they had to leave the Family and the country and he will become increasingly insufferable thinking he is still relevant from a more and more distant vantage point.
If he wins he will become increasingly insufferable thinking he is still relevant from a more and more distant vantage point.
the trouble with ex pats is they carry a snapshot of their former home and rail against that but the place moves on.
Lol at the telegraph describing the Rolls Building as "High Court’s modern annex".
errr NO Ingrid Seward:
"The Duke of Sussex’s military training will help him cope with being cross-examined when he takes the stand in his court case against the publisher of the Daily Mirror, according to a royal expert.
Ingrid Seward told GB News: “The only thing that Harry does have on his side is he’s got that army training. And if you believe what he said in his book were which I presume we all do, he’s been through some very intense difficult moments during his army training."
all this "taking the stand" shit is really irritating.
is it showtime yet?
here is his witness statement: BL-2019-001787 HRH The Duke of Sussex v MGN - Witness Statement of Prince Harry, The Duke of Sussex - DocumentCloud
Has anything happened yet?
'Just Harry' wants to be known as Prince Harry today.
From his witness statement:
Is this guy for real? It's all the newspapers fault whenever he behaves like an ass? Ceratinly opens up everything to XX tho, including the nazi uniform
FIRST MENTION OF THE BUNDLE
The Duke later quips “I feel like we’re doing a workout,” as he is handed bundle after bundle to refer to during his cross-examination.
In court, Prince Harry is asked about a line in his witness statement which reads: “How much more blood will stain their typing fingers before someone can put a stop to this madness.”
Who drafted that, ffs?
Gotta be Meg's Hollywood scriptwriter pals.
WTF at that line from the witness statement? Dial down the emotion guys, its the RCJ not Dynasty.
Ditto re "taking the stand" it really grinds my gears as a phrase. It is the WITNESS BOX and it is GIVING EVIDENCE.
As for military training. Yeah right. You're on the Court battlefield now sunshine. Not in a fvcking Apache.
not entirely sure what the point of this xx is
prince harry doesn't know from his own evidence whether or not the journalists for the relevant stories used or profited from phone hacking or other illegal sources of info
all he can say is that he didn't provide the information himself, and that he was adversely affected by them, both of which I suspect are not really in issue
as to the sources of the info, all prince harry can do is speculate or seek to draw inferences, which is unlikely to be helpful to the judge
faod the fact he has speculated in his statement doesn't mean he has to be challenged in xx on whether that speculation is correct
if I were the judge I'd be keeping this xx on a tight rein
And don't try to make a funny re the bundle. A previous trial of mine a defendant tried to be cocky and "funny". It ended very badly for him.
Harry obviously did. It’s the sort of thing a client writes thinking it’s punchy and literary at the same time when at their kitchen table but leaves them looking like a twot when they have to read it out in court. It’s easy to imagine the conversation with his lawyer:
”Er… Are you sure you want to say that, sir?”
”Oh yar. It’s brilliant and makes them look really bad, ok?”
”if you insist,Sir”
If I were a tabloid hack, I would have a headline:
"Haz v the Baz"
My money is on Baz for this one.
Always a real frisson of adrenalin the morning of an important XX, i bet AGKC was feeling it this morning. And yes, even at that stage in his career i am quite certain he feels the sense of anticipation, he just knows how to hide it better.
obv
this is the biggest event of his career and unlikely to be topped by anything else
Really? There's no academic or intellectual challenge here, it's all just tittle tattle and should be a very easy win given the total dearth of evidence.
I would have thought a KC of his stature would have much bigger moments to be proud of.
I think you'll find that's going to be the inquest into the press about all the blood that stains their typing fingers
it's a bit like doing princess di's divorce
THE BUNDLE
Prince Harry has been struggling to find the various articles and documents in the many bundles of paperwork he has in front of him, writes Victoria Ward in the High Court.
I'm working my way through the statement. It doesn't really say much (so far). 'This article states xyz and I don't know where they got that info' basically.
Do you think Pret has ordered extra in especially to feed all the hacks?
The depth of disdain for the formerly both Officer and “base common and popular” Hazza in the comments section of the Torygraph today is tangible.
Hazza v the Bazza in phonehacker fracas
hehe at
Mr Green points out that Sunday lunchtime on Fulham Road is a “busy time” and that people may have seen Prince Harry walking down the street.
“No, I don’t walk down streets,” the Duke responds.
Heh
I so wish i was at the Court of Appeal today, would definitely have wandered over to the Rolls to catch some of these gems. AGKC must be having such a wonderful time.
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/28/prince-harry-treads-in-…
That Ifield story is so dull, which is a shame as it was a great pub. Also used to see Hazza a lot around the corner in the Hollywood Arms.
Now, if some of the stories from that pub got out....
Infamous RoF haunt the OBE will be backed by 5, I suspect.
One's heart bleeds: "Going to pub gave me 'some semblance of life'"
AmIt, and Brinkleys!!!
Yes Brinkleys too.
Harald had his own secret entrance to the HA.
Ffs
Is Brinkleys still a cougar hang-out?
Someone told me Harry was in uniform with his medals. I f*cking hope his lawyer told him to change.
People have been saying
As far as I kno, Haz and Megz have never said they want 'privacy', what they've said is they don't want to be papped and have invented stories published about them.
Bit of a damp squib so far, one hopes he's softening him up for a proper serve this afternoon
I've got two out of four so far - drugs and Spare.
Just need The Crown and some playing around for a full house.
I don't think he will go in hard Warren.
The approach so far seems to be to let him down very gently to the fact that MGN didn't need to hack his phone as they were getting everything they needed from sources he thought were on his side.
The people he trusted were stitching him up, not the people he was suspicious of.
As this dawns on him his heart will break.
Can anyone smell gas?
how will PH cope with being in purdah over night?
how long do these lazy people take for lunch?
BUNDLE
Why is the telepgraph using quotation marks:
As the father-of-two at times struggled to acquaint himself with the reams of evidence in the “paginated bundles” before him, at one point joking: “I feel like we’re doing a workout,” there was little doubt Mr Green would be requiring him to do some heavy lifting in defending his phone hacking claim.
Ouch:
Duke told he is source of own complaint
Before moving on to the tenth article in the claim, Mr Green hammers home the point that Harry had revealed his birthday plans and other private information in his embargoed Press Association interview.
“The position then is this - the private information of which you complain in the Daily Mirror article had been revealed by you and then published in other newspapers,” Mr Green tells the court.
“I see the similarities, of course,” Harry responds, before adding that he “believes the article was connected to an invoice” and that “the timing was suspicious.”
Lol @ the telegraph
Agree with heff btw, this is a complete waste of time. How can Harry speak to whether the journos got the info from phone hacking etc. or not?
“Fruits of the extensive efforts of buggers (other)”
People are heard saying
Someone told my wife
"Bundles" is a fvcking weird thing to call them as far as non-lawyers are concerned, Judy. Someone who doesn't use the term all the time just goes, "Paper? Folders? Documents? Lever-arch file? What's wrong with you morons?"
Ditto pagination. I bet to Telegraph reader ears, it sounds like "burglarize" and other US monstrosities, even it it makes sense to us.
I've just seen there's a bar in Canary Wharf called the Pagination. I'm sure you all knew that. I can't decide whether it's full of trainees drinking away their sorrows or nobbers... oh wait, yes I can.
BBC reporting he was very solid and succint in the box
Harry is complaining that the tabloid newspapers said mean things about him:
The percentage of the population which comprises the lowest 10% by intelligence is 10%. We are rarely exposed to any of those people via the media because the media requires a certain level of verbal acuity. Maybe there are few athletes that are in this category but they're not the ones that have second careers as sports presenters. In all sincerity, I think Harry is a good reminder to us that there are in fact a significant number of low intelligence people. The fact that everything was done for him his whole life probably did not help him either. He's not just below average IQ. He's bottom 10% IQ. I don't say that as an insult - just a a fact - I don't believe moral worth is correlated with intelligence.
serious question - has any newspaper group actually won a phone hacking case yet (not including settling them out of court)?
”The percentage of the population which comprises the lowest 10% by intelligence is 10%.“
Any idea where you might be on that particular spectrum, Rob?
”The percentage of the population which comprises the lowest 10% by intelligence is 10%.“
if RoF still had it we’d be well into a polarised debate on the accuracy of this statement by now.
Christ the action is set down for 7 weeks. Kerching.
Bundle is a fvcking stupid word. Apart from anything else it suggests something both that’s been thrown together haphazardly and is not being held together securely - and let’s face it that’s what the average punter thinks has happened anyway.
I would have liked to be a fly on the wall when he instructed his team that he intended to be late for the trial so he could be at his daughter's birthday.
The newspapers decided he was going to be late for the trial so he could be at his daughter's birthday so that they could sell more newspapers.
‘And if you believe what he said in his book were which I presume we all do‘
Quote from start of thread. That gets a ‘subtle dig’ heh
id assumed this was advised by his lawyers?
nb I’m not a litigator so I have no idea but seems like a PR move to keep him away from the courtroom unless completely necessary
No. If you’re the Claimant you turn up every day out of respect to the court and to show you are taking it seriously.
Your daughter’s birthday party isn’t even a good excuse for being late for work.
Because it's a bizarre, arcane term which has no meaning outside of the small professional bubble in which it is used.
"Bundle" does have a common meaning not entirely dissimilar to the the niche one used here, but it's too much to expect people to know wtf it refers to.
"Paginated" is a very obscure word indeed.
and if it was growing exponentially
Today hasn't even started and nothing inside the court will beat Brian Harvey turning up outside and being a dick.
Did he manage to avoid running himself over?
Only because the road has largely been shut to traffic I would suspect.
I wonder now if Harry is realising why the Queen was against doing interviews and talking to the media during her lifetime.
Can’t see how this rehashing of every lurid headline over 20 odd hears is going to improve his mental nealth. Or his marriage. Running himself over - good analogy.
I find it quite surprising that so many of the articles he claims could only have derived from phone hacking are actually rewrites of articles that had already been published by other news outlets.
Shouldn't his lawyers have checked the stories to see if they'd already been splashed in the Daily Mail or on Reuters before the Mirror ran them???
Love the Hooray Harry part. Thinking they were celebrating his break up.
Paginated is a word that makes me nervous.
Boo, looks like the strategy is to go easy on him so as to not detract from the obvious fact that his witness statement is choker with unsupported speculation, paranoia, absurd hyperbole and self-pitying victimhood. while being just a bit light on, well, actual evidence. I guess they don't want to risk the judge getting annoyed when they don't really need to hammer him. Hospital pass to the judge though, wonder how he's going to deal with it.
Why don't they just say "folders" ffs. Probably can't resist having a dig at lawyers.
or even just say:
As the father-of-two at times struggled to acquaint himself with the reams of evidence
in the “paginated bundles” before himThe coverage of this on telly is desperately poor. Word salads punctuated ho ho with here he is getting out of the car from five angles. Including a drone above.
Should just take judicial notice that MGN are a bunch of phone-hacking khunts and be done with it.
Bemused that Harry is being painted as the bad guy in all of this. H8rs gonna h8.
Isn't there a limitation issue here? I mean, these things happened ages ago.
It is possible to have more than one bad guy.
lol
"Paginated" isn't an obscure word at all. Arguably misused given its etymology, but in modern English it very obviously means "with numbered pages".
Wot Warren sed:
"hard evidence of suspiciousness,"
Lolmax
You know in Road Runner cartoons when Wile E Coyote is dangling over a crevasse by one hand and RR unpeeled his fingers one by one..
Meep Meep
Little head ruling big head
The whole thing sounds a bit of a farce really but I guess there might just be enough on the balance of probability to suggest some hacking. I assume this legal team will also be questioning the journalists and PI's who might actually have some evidence.
The whole reason they decided to pursue Harry's claim is that they could argue he isn't motivated by getting money unlike some of the other people who were hacked but his whole life now is about making cash while he's still relevant.
I have been too busy to follow today :(
m his witness statement:
Harry trying to re-invent himself as Shakespeare's Prince Hal. Who was Falstaff in this story I wonder?
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