Things that other law bores hate about being a lawyer that do not bother u
Me/ doing time sheets. Never made my top ten things I hate about law. It’s just admin. Having to give legal advice, draft legal documentation and manage legal transactions are all way worse.
Not when it’s just a few clicks. Imagine having to fill them in longhand.
What’s that, cry the mewling children of the neverlution
I still do mine by hand.
The only good things about being a lawyer are immersing oneself in arcane case law, and writing erudite opinions. Oh, and managing litigation (as long as one doesn't have to do the admin)
Not enough staff entertainment
Have always just gone to the boozer myself with colleagues. Don’t need haitch r to organise that for me
Managing litigation is fooking stomach churning fgs, even worse than running a deal in my limited experience
Haitch r do not organise “staff entertainment” anywhere fyi
I worked for a partner years ago who was a total time aheet nonce. Once a month his seccie would have to pull an all nighter going thru his diary and emails and phone records to pull together a guestimate of his tsheets.
better than the old boys who once a week would slam five hours on each file, irrespective of whether they’d actually read nething
I knew a senior guy at a magic circle firm who literally never did time sheets, just estimated his time when putting together the bill
My second fave time sheet entry was c/o one of the highest paid city bigdogs ever.
8 hrs, calls, etc.
My fave:
1.5hrs - talking to bloke from tax with the big nose
(Beaky bloke from tax was the billing chap and had to call the submitter to get it changed)
as a trainee i had an entry something like
14.3 hours
organising engrossments for signing
pre electronic sigs obv
i was pleased as it was my highest ratio of minutes billed per narrative word and totally legit as there was nothing else 2 say, but fook me was that an awful week. probably my worst ever. more than 300 docs 4 signing a group reorg and business carve out
1 of the signatories had 2 spend a couple of hours the next day signing as he was on most of the docs and his wrist was in gr7 pain. he was pretty good about it. the fd at the time i think. he is now a ftse 100 ceo
You are probably too young to have ever had to do a financial assistance whitewash.
Absolute ballache of pointless paperwork, but if you had a qualified mate you'd get em in to do the stat decs and split the delivious moolah afterwards. Think we netted north of £500 on one once. Ate/drank thru it all that night, obv
heh that was repealed in 2008, waaaaaaay b4 my time!
(says google ai, i have not checked that)
I would have guessed earlier (2006 CA would have been my punt) but i am sure your youthful research skillz are sound
I’m down with “calls, etc”. People know what city lawyers do - we do all shit necessary to resolve all points.
I go out ‘cross the middle. I see some dude Colin’ at me, wannin’ to kill me? I think: get killed. Catch the ball. Touchdown boo yah, I make miracles happen.
A detailed itemisation should not be necessary, and to request one is insulting.
Rare hard agree
I aim to be as terse as the Wachtell bods on the twitter case.
Adam L - 20.00 - attn to discovery
Hmm, FA whitewashes. All those lovely swear fees....
nothing like a complicated whitewash for swear fees …
a senior partner at (((Fladgates))) once tried to negotiate them with me …
I had a bloke try to charge me his hourly rate for doing an MVL stat dec once. He flounced out saying "this is not law society procedure". With his £5. Cvnt
We still have to do FA whitewashes in the legal backwater of upside down land. Unfortunately it's just a tedious process of notices and resolutions that takes about three weeks to complete and there are no swear fees to be had, so it's the worst of both worlds.
Corrs
To answer the OQ. I have a strange fondness for interviews.
Long hours. I signed up for that, and it's always been like that. Whether as GC to a start-up or in corp / City law, same hours. I think it's a way I have of distracting myself from my dull life; but I also think that's a facade, and I really like it anyway. Too much fun worries the hell out of me. Raised Catholic, obvs
Eh? Sounds more Protestant to me.
nah the guilt is a catholic tr7, banning fun is extreme protestant
Yeah i don't mind time sheets, just gotta add a bit to the timer throughout the day. I've seen there are a few tools that are trying to track your activity during the day and will do it automatically. Would be nice.
Call me weird but I like team drinks, don't seem the most popular on here. Who doesn't like free drinks.
ROF’s default mode is Toxic Introvert, so not surprising that work socialising is unpopular on here.
I also like it. I try to lunch with a client once a week, and go for coffee off site with colleagues at least twice. I’m in office four days a week, which I also prefer to WFH. After work drinks are not so common nowadays, and other than a general concern to drink less, I like those too.
I much prefer all this to actual fee earning, which after 20yrs is dull as shit tbh
On the whitewash thing, I did one that literally took 7 or 8 hours to sign (you will recall all directors had to sign every bit of paper and every whitewash had to be approved all the way down the chain of companies).
The junior partner supervising dragged in one of his mates to bless it (I had tried to get one of mine in, but got overruled even though i had done most of the actual work).
Laddo tried to present his bill for around £20,000 (there really was a lot of paper involved) and the very grumpy senior partner on the matter who was quite a name around town at the time told him that he could have £5,000 - "you're getting a good holiday for a night's work, but I'd damned if I'll buy you a new car"
The whole thing was utter, utter balls, did not avert any evils whatsoever, just like POCA nowadays I suspect it prevented not one actual mischief ever.
Any jurisdiction that still has this shite is mental, and this should be cited to Aussies any time they try to pretend that Australia is a jurisdiction that simplifies stuff and uses plain English (which they do, often)
Not when it’s just a few clicks. Imagine having to fill them in longhand.
What’s that, cry the mewling children of the neverlution
I still do mine by hand.
The only good things about being a lawyer are immersing oneself in arcane case law, and writing erudite opinions. Oh, and managing litigation (as long as one doesn't have to do the admin)
Not enough staff entertainment
Have always just gone to the boozer myself with colleagues. Don’t need haitch r to organise that for me
Managing litigation is fooking stomach churning fgs, even worse than running a deal in my limited experience
Haitch r do not organise “staff entertainment” anywhere fyi
I worked for a partner years ago who was a total time aheet nonce. Once a month his seccie would have to pull an all nighter going thru his diary and emails and phone records to pull together a guestimate of his tsheets.
better than the old boys who once a week would slam five hours on each file, irrespective of whether they’d actually read nething
I knew a senior guy at a magic circle firm who literally never did time sheets, just estimated his time when putting together the bill
My second fave time sheet entry was c/o one of the highest paid city bigdogs ever.
8 hrs, calls, etc.
My fave:
1.5hrs - talking to bloke from tax with the big nose
(Beaky bloke from tax was the billing chap and had to call the submitter to get it changed)
as a trainee i had an entry something like
14.3 hours
organising engrossments for signing
pre electronic sigs obv
i was pleased as it was my highest ratio of minutes billed per narrative word and totally legit as there was nothing else 2 say, but fook me was that an awful week. probably my worst ever. more than 300 docs 4 signing a group reorg and business carve out
1 of the signatories had 2 spend a couple of hours the next day signing as he was on most of the docs and his wrist was in gr7 pain. he was pretty good about it. the fd at the time i think. he is now a ftse 100 ceo
You are probably too young to have ever had to do a financial assistance whitewash.
Absolute ballache of pointless paperwork, but if you had a qualified mate you'd get em in to do the stat decs and split the delivious moolah afterwards. Think we netted north of £500 on one once. Ate/drank thru it all that night, obv
heh that was repealed in 2008, waaaaaaay b4 my time!
(says google ai, i have not checked that)
I would have guessed earlier (2006 CA would have been my punt) but i am sure your youthful research skillz are sound
I’m down with “calls, etc”. People know what city lawyers do - we do all shit necessary to resolve all points.
I go out ‘cross the middle. I see some dude Colin’ at me, wannin’ to kill me? I think: get killed. Catch the ball. Touchdown boo yah, I make miracles happen.
A detailed itemisation should not be necessary, and to request one is insulting.
Rare hard agree
I aim to be as terse as the Wachtell bods on the twitter case.
Adam L - 20.00 - attn to discovery
Hmm, FA whitewashes. All those lovely swear fees....
nothing like a complicated whitewash for swear fees …
a senior partner at (((Fladgates))) once tried to negotiate them with me …
I had a bloke try to charge me his hourly rate for doing an MVL stat dec once. He flounced out saying "this is not law society procedure". With his £5. Cvnt
We still have to do FA whitewashes in the legal backwater of upside down land. Unfortunately it's just a tedious process of notices and resolutions that takes about three weeks to complete and there are no swear fees to be had, so it's the worst of both worlds.
Corrs
To answer the OQ. I have a strange fondness for interviews.
Long hours. I signed up for that, and it's always been like that. Whether as GC to a start-up or in corp / City law, same hours. I think it's a way I have of distracting myself from my dull life; but I also think that's a facade, and I really like it anyway. Too much fun worries the hell out of me. Raised Catholic, obvs
Eh? Sounds more Protestant to me.
nah the guilt is a catholic tr7, banning fun is extreme protestant
Yeah i don't mind time sheets, just gotta add a bit to the timer throughout the day. I've seen there are a few tools that are trying to track your activity during the day and will do it automatically. Would be nice.
Call me weird but I like team drinks, don't seem the most popular on here. Who doesn't like free drinks.
ROF’s default mode is Toxic Introvert, so not surprising that work socialising is unpopular on here.
I also like it. I try to lunch with a client once a week, and go for coffee off site with colleagues at least twice. I’m in office four days a week, which I also prefer to WFH. After work drinks are not so common nowadays, and other than a general concern to drink less, I like those too.
I much prefer all this to actual fee earning, which after 20yrs is dull as shit tbh
On the whitewash thing, I did one that literally took 7 or 8 hours to sign (you will recall all directors had to sign every bit of paper and every whitewash had to be approved all the way down the chain of companies).
The junior partner supervising dragged in one of his mates to bless it (I had tried to get one of mine in, but got overruled even though i had done most of the actual work).
Laddo tried to present his bill for around £20,000 (there really was a lot of paper involved) and the very grumpy senior partner on the matter who was quite a name around town at the time told him that he could have £5,000 - "you're getting a good holiday for a night's work, but I'd damned if I'll buy you a new car"
The whole thing was utter, utter balls, did not avert any evils whatsoever, just like POCA nowadays I suspect it prevented not one actual mischief ever.
Any jurisdiction that still has this shite is mental, and this should be cited to Aussies any time they try to pretend that Australia is a jurisdiction that simplifies stuff and uses plain English (which they do, often)
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