Stonewall and this

Taking this from a RoF news story

'UK's largest LGBT charity, Stonewall, which now defines homosexuality as same-gender attraction. Stonewall’s interpretation enables male-bodied people to identify as lesbians and female-bodied people to identify as gay men.'

 

What is all this bloody nonsense?

When did this become a thing?,  and  this is one of the reasons I do not have anything to do with Stonewall

Hmmmm....

Gender is a spectrum.

A spectrum is a range with near infinite values of degree and subtlety.

Everyone is free to define their gender.

The odds on any two persons completely agreeing everything about their own assumed gender are minimal.

If homosexuality is same gender attraction, and no two people have the same gender, then there are no homosexuals.

Q.E.D.

About 1996 when one of my old schoolmates become a woman and decided he was still attracted to women thus making him a lesbatron who started out male.

My gender identity is best explained by Chris Franklin in his 2000 platinum selling single

Obv my best mate is not robbo,but dave.  My m7 robbo is known as grandad because he wears yellowing y fronts

The thing that is repulsive about Stonewall is the way they have become as doctrinaire and dogmatic, as intolerant and as vindictive as the people they set out to overthrow.  
 

Stonewall is the new orthodoxy.  Beware of heresy. The slightest difference of opinion with their official line can get you fired, even if you support 99.5% of what they support. 

What is most disturbing is the lack of debate.

Don't like "women" with full male genitalia in your changing rooms?  SHUT IT TERF!

Not convinced that teens taking loads of hormones of which the long term effects are not known is a teensy bit in advisable? SHUT IT TERF!

Object to biological males competing in women's sports? SHUT IT TERF!

Think the "cotton ceiling" arguments about lesbians objecting to penises sound a bit rapey? SHUT IT TERF!

Concerned about the number of lesbian and autistic teens being swept up in this wave as they try to figure out their identity? SHUT IT TERF!

 

what nexis said. 

Sails - I don't know your friend but I expect they didn't "decide" they were still attracted to women post-op, perhaps they actually were. 

What nexis said. Seems to me to be mostly about re-branding misogyny. 

I wish all the sane people could band together to shut this shit down before it fucks women's, gay and (ironically) trans rights in perpetuity

 

+1

 

the reason stonewall has gone wrong is that their original battle is essentially won; obviously there is still homophobia and discrimination but those things are very wrong and widely frowned upon. Gays have the same rights as straights.

stonewall had become a solution in search of a problem and their main advocacy and campaigning is now for the T not the LGB 

Kimmy I believe he was unsure initially but it all became clear later so he didn't make a conscious decision but at the same time also didn't have the result he expected.

I do know a green activist who identifies as a woman and lesbian, I swear. He I mean she’s called Maike Pfuderer 

Why don’t I do the same? Oh yeah right, cos I never had any issues getting laid

What's a TERF?  I think I might be one (but in a lesbian's body)

A trans something radical feminist.

 

Maybe eschewing?

exclusionary.

Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist

or

Treading Elegantly Round Fuming Shitposters.

what do you call people who place bets for them?  A TERF accountant.

DD King08 Nov 19 13:33

Why don’t I do the same? Oh yeah right, cos I never had any issues getting laid

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Chuckle. Uh huh. 

Bless.

*Bow*

One tries, stix. One tries. I dedicate that one to you.

x

TERF is a term that some bright spark came up with to make it seem like people who don't believe that people can change sex are some fringe radical group of feminists that want to cause "literal harm" to trans people.  Rather than sane people who hold pretty mainstream views like in my 12:02.  It's propaganda.

 

Its pretty obvious unless you try really hard not to understand.  Your gender is different from your biological sex, and your sexuality depends on your gender preference.  I've seen plenty of attractive trans women, and its pretty obvious that being attracted to them does not make me gay, in fact it affirms my heterosexuality. 

Try the test yourself.  If you still think that sexuality depends on biological sex preference rather than gender, then you stupid.     

its simple, if you were born with a penis you are a man, if with a vagina you are a woman, no one cares and no one should care what you feel like...if it makes you feel better by all means believe it, but the rest of us are free to say 'actually love, you have a penis'.

In the words of a wise of Malcolm X - fuck ya feelins

Warren I think the issue for most people is men who use the whole trans agenda to give them the ability to stroll into previously female only spaces to have a good gawp.

It’s one of the issues but by no means the only one, as Nexis explained very clearly above.

I'm gonna self declare as a woman down the gym tonight and hit their showers; I fancy a good perv and I'm fed up of Pornhub.

That was more aimed at Warren Stix.  Warren I've been attracted to trans women but because they have transitioned to become what would normally be considered an attractive biological woman.  I am not attracted to the ones who've only just started the process and consequently still resemble biological men.

summersails is basically trying to tell us that he had an accident on his last visit to bangkok

Did he meet her in a club down in old Soho, do you think?

Nothing so exciting I'm afraid.  Some dating apps are now full of people who feel the need to mention they are trans in case it affects your decision about them. 

" Your gender is different from your biological sex, and your sexuality depends on your gender preference."

it absolutely does not. I am hetero SEX ual. When I get it on with someone who looks like a man, I do not want to find a vagina in their pants 

Summer - it's a good valid point; if someone ticks the box to say they are female and they are actually trans, it could be sexual activity without consent.

 

 

There is case law about men pretending to be women online and getting other men to send videos of themselves performing acts of self-pleasure.  I believe the men in question got potted for sexual activity without consent.  

I am a HOMOSEXUAL  this mean I am attracted to someone of the same actual GENDER/SEX ( not what gender/sex they feel they are)  ie A MAN, 

so I want some one with a COCK not a TUPPANCE

and no matter how Stonewall try and change the rules,  they are talking bollocks   I am not having it

the closet doors have swung open wildly on this thread

TERF is a term that some bright spark came up with to make it seem like people who don't believe that people can change sex are some fringe radical group of feminists that want to cause "literal harm" to trans people.  Rather than sane people who hold pretty mainstream views like in my 12:02.  It's propaganda.

This.

Its pretty obvious unless you try really hard not to understand.  Your gender is different from your biological sex, and your sexuality depends on your gender preference.  I've seen plenty of attractive trans women, and its pretty obvious that being attracted to them does not make me gay, in fact it affirms my heterosexuality. 

Try the test yourself.  If you still think that sexuality depends on biological sex preference rather than gender, then you stupid. 

You what now?

You don't think the kind of sex you are able to have with someone might be a teensy bit affected by what kind of genitalia they have?

As a woman used to having sex with men, I struggle with the idea of having sex with someone with female genitalia who chooses to identify with a man and still feeling like I am having heterosexual sex with a man. As far as I'm concerned, if I were to have sex with someone with female genitalia, I would be having lesbian sex with a woman. Or possibly lesbian sex with a "man", if I was trying really hard to think of them as the gender they chose to identify as rather than the biological sex they were born as.

"I've seen plenty of attractive trans women, and its pretty obvious that being attracted to them does not make me gay, in fact it affirms my heterosexuality."

sex reassignment surgery (or pretending to have undergone it) is used in Iran to trans away the gay because they are a deeply homophobic society 

Heh @ sailo copping off with Lolas.  

I thought u were a bottom scraper but not a scrapee

The creation and propagation of a new term like "heterogenderal", with the concomitant banning of the term "heterosexual", is the kind of jape 4Chan would come up with.

And I totally think they should.

Interesting point Warren raises. Remember when Charlie sheen was seen as a turbo wrongun for being into hookers with boobs and a penis? Each to their own tbh but I still don't think that's mainstream.

'Male-bodied people identifying and lesbians and female-bodied identifying as  gay...' Perhaps that puts them on the Q-plus part of the spectrum rather than G/L? Are the lines between gender and sex sometimes blurred? Maybe. But one's sex at birth, may be different from the 'gender', surely, for trans or Q people. Surely only they themselves can know their gender identity or 'queerness'? It is not for those of us who are not in that spectrum to make negative assumptions.  The above are only questions, not statements of fact. If one hasn't 'experienced' any of the above and doesn't know anyone who has, perhaps one should accept Stonewall's arguably broader definition.

I think Charlie sheen was scorned for carrying on literally willy nilly once been told he had the h+badge

Also the whole cory Haim thing

Rhamnousia08 Nov 19 17:33

Interesting point Warren raises. Remember when Charlie sheen was seen as a turbo wrongun for being into hookers with boobs and a penis? Each to their own tbh but I still don't think that's mainstream.

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Hadn't heard that before, at all. Really? Wow. 

Pretty sure Bree Olsen doesn't have a penis. Pretty sure.