Stating your preferred gendered pronouns at the end of your social media profile
a perfectly no… 15 Jul 19 15:19
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This seems a great way to rile many of the right people, amirite?

To clarify, I agree with the principle, too. But my desire to irk gammons is much greater than my desire to “do the right thing”.

Is that whatthat is?

I had an email from the Deptgford Pride committee (yes ther eris one I think it is two people) and he signed off

***e**e* *o****s (him/him/they/them)

 

I did wonder that that was all about

Putting “he/him” or “she/her” (or something else) at the end of your profile on eg Twitter.

That’s it, Abbeywell. Cisgender people doing it is meant to be supportive of people with less “traditional” gender identities, by making it a mainstream thing to do, not something you only do if you’re not “normal”.

Laz, you're classic gammon. It's only your social climbing which forces you to deny it. That and your contrarianism. 

I can't help but feel with this stuff that we are now inventing problems to distract ourselves from real problems.  Climate change, the march of the authoritarian right and left, species die-off etc.

Much of this can be ignored by shrieking about whether front bottoms can be innies as well as outies.

First world issues, folks.  Basically if you were born with a dick, you're a "him".  If you don't like it, go and see a fucking psychiatrist - don't make it other people's problem.

You know when even Strutter thinks something is overly PC, you're on a sticky wicket.

Nice of this very thread to demonstrate my point so neatly.

I can't help but feel with this stuff that we are now inventing problems to distract ourselves from real problems.  Climate change, the march of the authoritarian right and left, species die-off etc.

Much of this can be ignored by shrieking about whether front bottoms can be innies as well as outies.

This.

When someone addresses you they will call you "you" or your name. You don't get to dictate whether someone thinks of you as he/her or a total fuckwit. 

LOL! Did you actually type that, panda?

Plainly, it is not about dictating anything, but rather expressing preference.

When I disagree with someone I commonly refer to them as it.  « Its opinion is that... blah blah blah » I truly don’t think anyone can get at me about that, which I strongly welcome.

I am in favour of this. 

Its an absolutely certain way of knowing that you are dealing with a weapons grade narcissistic asshole. 

Dux, are you ever right about anything?

Since when have I been ‘PC’?

Are you confusing me with someone else?

When someone addresses you they will call you "you" or your name. You don't get to dictate whether someone thinks of you as he/her or a total fuckwit. 

I don't mind referring to someone by the gender they wish to be known as. I know two people who were born male and have now had a sex change to become female and referring to them as women doesn't bother me at all.

But I don't think they should be considered female in absolutely all respects (e.g. in competitive sport). And I don't think people should be allowed to just "identify" as the other gender when it suits them if that creates an inherent unfairness or safeguarding issue for others (e.g. in prisons or single sex changing areas).

As for cisgender people putting their preferred pronouns in their email signatures to show solidarity, I mean... meh, do what you want, but it will not make trans people seem more "normal". The majority of people live with the sex they were born with, and I think there is a balance to be struck between respecting people's right to identify as the opposite sex or have sex reassignment surgery if it is really important to them, and respecting everyone else's right to hold their own opinions and not be disadvantaged by people wanting to identify as the opposite sex. (In most cases nobody will be disadvantaged by it, so live and let live.)

That's all very well but it isn't actually possible to change sex. 

There are circumstances in which it's polite to treat someone as if they are the sex they would like to be, but they still aren't. 

 

I do think that almost ALL of the discussion on this completely misses hte point.

Clownfish.

Clownfish are the real issue here.

Did you know that when the clownfish matriarch in a group dies, the lead male changes sex to become a female, and takes over in charge of the group?

So.  When Mrs Marlin dies at the beginning of Finding Nemo, Marlin would not have remained Marlin.  Marlin would have faced a genuine problem, and biologically changed to Marlinetta.

And yet Disney spends the whole film calling him "Dad" and Marlin".

That's just wrong.  I feel lied to.

Quite.  If you can't be treated as a member of the opposite sex for all purpose, then I don't think you can complain about others referring to you by your legal gender, unless they are doing so deliberately to harass or bully you.

LOL! Did you actually type that, panda?

Cue some guff from Laz about how a person can “identify” as something irrespective of what he or she actually is

So, wait.  Was marlin cis gender, or trans or, oh no...  *brain melts*

 

But the Little Marmaid was genuinely female/bangable, right?

That's all very well but it isn't actually possible to change sex. 

It is possible to do some quite incredible things with surgery and hormone treatment though.

I really don't care about this except to the extent that it has a negative impact on others. I will not be putting my preferred pronouns on my email signature any time soon and I will never support people who are biologically male being allowed to compete as women in sport, but to the extent that it doesn't affect you, why do you care?

I identify as a dolphin.  I demand that all replies to me be in the format of a series of high-pitched squeaks and clicks.  

[Obv. I identify as Cis-specied when writing this, but change to trans-dolphin immediately upon posting].

 

 

Brilliant funny satire here! Why have I never seen you at the fringe festival?

It doesn't really matter what appearance it is possible to achieve with hormones and surgery, you can't become a man if you were born a woman. 

I care because there are circumstances in which there is a very real impact, and also because I think it's important to be accurate about things. 

I care because there are circumstances in which there is a very real impact, and also because I think it's important to be accurate about things. 

There are also many circumstances where there is no real impact. So in those circumstances, why care?

Ok you're doing that tedious thing you do constantly where you have to have the last word, so have it. I don't care what you think about why this matters. 

A recent conference I attended had a line on the badge to fill in our preferred pronouns

Blue Iguana: it was every bit as good a riposte as you merited.

The only people who use ripostes like that are people who can't think of anything witty to say.  

You see that wooden post?  That's you, that is....

*eagerly awaits. ‘laz does answer to you. laz is the arbiter of wit.’ *

I already told one of the Extinction Rebellion guys clogging up Bristol today to get the fuck out of my way and get a job when he was pushing a bit of paper in my face.  Fucking hippy.

They are giving me RAGE badman. Proper rage

 

i bet the park is full of their discarded rubbish already. 

My preferred pronoun is that the person talking about me does the hokey cokey. 

Ok you're doing that tedious thing you do constantly where you have to have the last word, so have it. I don't care what you think about why this matters. 

Actually I am more curious about why it matters to you. I find it hard to get really worked up about it either way.

I have enough trouble remembering names.

Having to remember a multitude of made up genders on top of names would be impossible.

"Oh, there's Colin. He likes to be called Fabulosa now, and addressed as xhe. Right. I've got this. Oh, christ, there's Frank. What was he called now? Kirsty, that was it. But he wants to be 'he' until he's transitioned fully".

Unless they wear a badge stating it. But they I would not be able to address them from across the room, if I was, say, a university lecturer. 

Full on, 100% gammon here, obvs. 

Yes yes Anna apart from women's sports, and prisons, and rape shelters, and hospitals, and accurate recording of statistics, and allocation of fundings targeted to support women, and the danger of malicioud self ID to access protected spaces it doesn't matter at all if men say they are women 

 

its like brexit doesn't matter, apart from trade, and tariffs, and diplomacy, and freedom of movement.  Apart from that it doesn't matter at all 

U just gonna roll over and let Linda have the last word Anna?

Why do people care?  There are water shortages all over the world.  Man made climate change is destroying the planet.  Plastics are invading our every day food chain.  Nuclear proliferation is on the rise.  The western world is split from brain to belly between the far right and the desperate moderates and then the bonkers left.   Fundamentalists are seizing control of religious dialogue and murdering people on our streets.

Yet you seem to actually give a fuck if someone wishes to be known as he, she, or they.

Priorities people.  Ffs.

i really don’t get any of this shit (his most majestic greatness/demi-god)

What LR seems to be saying is that some decisions should be made on the basis of biological sex rather than gender identity. That's (probably) true. However that doesn't have anything to do with whether people should be allowed to choose their own gender identity

It does when female identifying people want access to all those things listed above on the basis of how they ID rather than their actual sex 

Laz has always used the lady’s bathroom (for seat sniffing purposes).  I don’t see why this change would make any difference to him.

I shall be attending the Bristol women solicitors drop in party along with Tecco, identifying myself as female ,later this month

What is the correct pronoun here?

I don't want to to be embarrassed and 'outed' as some form of phony

Bernstein, I already did this, I told you.  I really don’t want or need a comedy sidekick, no offence.