So, Trumps Pardon list is out - 73 people

Pardoned including Lil Wayne and ... Steve Bannon.

This guy for example :

 

Jaime A. Davidson – President Trump commuted the sentence of Jaime A. Davidson. This commutation is supported by Mr. Davidson’s family and friends, Alice Johnson, and numerous others. In 1993, Mr. Davidson was convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment in relation to the murder of an undercover officer. Notably, witnesses who testified against Mr. Davidson later recanted their testimony in sworn affidavits and further attested that Mr. Davidson had no involvement.  Although Mr. Davidson has been incarcerated for nearly 29 years, the admitted shooter has already been released from prison. Following the commutation of his sentence, Mr. Davidson will continue legal efforts to clear his name. In addition, while incarcerated, Mr. Davidson mentored and tutored over 1,000 prisoners to help them achieve their GED certificates. Mr. Davidson has earned praise from prison officials for his dedication to helping others.

Some of these people seem to have been very badly served by the justice system or have made amends bigly since their conviction though

I AGREE 100%: WHAT THEY DID TO STEVE BANNON WAS AN ABSOLUTE TRAVESTY!!

Interesting that he didn't pardon himself or any family members. Is this because doing so would make it look like they'd done something? I can't imagine he'd care about what people thought of him. 

Or does he think he hasn't done anything that he could be prosecuted for (despite all the bleating about witch hunts)?

 

Canary Worf20 Jan 21 08:21

Tbh it far less than pretty much every president before him.

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but those he has pardoned include a lot more friends and employees

I have been wondering, how can anyone be “pardoned” if they have not actually been convicted of any crime??

Because that is Trump and his clan, is it not?

Yes I know theres loads on him and all of them but I dont see how he could proactively avoid future charges.

Minkie I don't think you have to be convicted but you do have to in effect admit the crime to have it pardoned.

So if he was to pardon himself, he would have to admit the crimes and I don't think he thinks he did anything wrong.

Plus then if the SC says a president can't pardon themselves he has essentially admitted a load of crimes. And it's only at federal criminal level so state and civil cases could proceed.

Far easier to get diplomatic immunity from Israel or something.

How does the Bannon pardon work given he hasn't been convicted yet? Isn't this basically a pre-emptive pardon (and couldn't the feds just undermine this by bringing a raft of new charges (sounds like the sort of crime where there would be a smorgasbord of things to charge him with)).

Guy Crouchback20 Jan 21 09:32

I cannot see what possible justification there is for this system at all.  It is completely absurd.

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as I understand it, it derives from the concept of the royal prerogative

Davos202120 Jan 21 10:22

Minkie I don't think you have to be convicted but you do have to in effect admit the crime to have it pardoned.

So if he was to pardon himself, he would have to admit the crimes and I don't think he thinks he did anything wrong.

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I think Davos has it

plus, he relies on systems of grift and being a criminal, albeit a pardoned criminal, could impact that