Shall we check in with GB News?

@GBNEWS

GB News stands four square against racism in all its forms. We do not have a company line on taking the knee. Some of our guests have been in favour, some against. All are anti-racist. We have editorial standards that all GB News journalists uphold.

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@GBNEWS

On Tuesday a contributing presenter took the knee live on air and this was an unacceptable breach of our standards.

Do you really not understand the distinction between guests and presenters?

The tweets are pretty clear. 

not clear enough for you to link "we don't have a company line on taking the knee" and "taking the knee is a breach of our standards" it seems

I mean that's before you try to get your head around a channel supposedly set up for the sole purpose of empowering "Free SpeechW going into meltdown because someone used their legal right to Free speech to demonstrate a peaceful protest

GB News doesn’t have a line on the gesture.

GB news recognises the gesture is highly politicised.

GB News expects presenters to be impartial.

It really isn’t that hard. 

retreats to a more defensible / untestable claim. *Declares victory*

Someone pointed out that Andrew Neil hasn’t tweeted any GB News content in 10 days. Seems quite likely the rat has fled the obviously sinking ship.  

This is clearly an attempt to generate clicks/publicity.  Seems to be working!

No Sumo. I have merely demonstrated the ability to read and a basic understanding of journalistic ethics.

You are clearly desperate to find reasons to “dunk on” GB News and in your rush to do so you have seized upon what you mistakenly seen as a contradiction.

You’ve tripped over your laces and face planted into the wall behind the hoop and now the ball (un-dunked) is slowly rolling away from you as if it were embarrassed to be in your presence.

Now would be the time to say “yeah. I jumped the gun on this one” so you can move on with at least a little bit of dignity. 

Gutto hari did create a flutter with GB News viewers by doing that. They really got abusive on twitter. 

Has Andrew Neil returned from his unexpected sabbatical yet? 

Asimov16 Jul 21 07:39

No Sumo. I have merely demonstrated the ability to read and a basic understanding of journalistic ethics.

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I suspect what you have really done is retreated to a more defensible / untestable claim and declared victory

The BBC has no position on the election. 
 

The BBC would fire a presenter who wore a Labour rosette on air.

Do you understand this very obvious point now.

I haven’t retreated to a more defensible claim. I have repeated the same point in increasingly clear ways because you haven’t been able to understand what is a very simple point. 

GB news does seem to be struggling. Just had a look at their YouTube channel. Only 157k subscribers and seem to struggle to get over 10k views per video which I think is what you need as a minimum if you want to make any cash. Not sure if they do paid-for advertising as well.

Production values still dogshit as well. Studio lighting is just awful. 

you dropped this

seems you're determined to get more use out of it

Sumo, do be careful around assimov. 

His wife (*taps nose*) knows LOTS of (*again, taps nose*) FSB agents. 

Assume the BBC fired the journalist who, in the final day of an election campaign, said that postal votes were grim for labour? Wonder where they're working now. 

I don’t think the rosette analogy is a good one - GB news have no position on whether or not it is appropriate to take the knee to demonstrate anti racism, given that,  it is not clear why they should think it a breach of standards if a presenter does.  That is not the same as taking a neutral position on an election,  it is taking a neutral position on the appropriateness of an action and then chastising an employee for doing it.

Hard heh at the pasting Asimov has taken on this thread. He's all sticky.

GB News has no line on this. It makes no comment as to whether the gesture is a good one or a divisive one.

It expects its presenters to be impartial. A presenter kneeling on air is endorsing the gesture. It is analogous to the rosette.

If you prefer, imagine what would happen Emily Maitlis did the Black Panther raised first gesture live on air. 

Presenter wears poppy on GB News, it is unacceptable.

presenter returns wearing 2 poppies, perhaps even 2 red ones and a white one, much better

Time for Asimov to take a break I think. 

Where's risky? 

Asimov16 Jul 21 08:15

GB News .....makes no comment as to whether the gesture is a good one or a divisive one.

A presenter kneeling on air is endorsing the (neither good nor divisive) gesture. It is Demonstrating this neutral gesture is analogous to the rosette. formally identifying yourself as a member of a political party while reporting on an election

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so might have suggested this already but kinda feels like you're retreating to a more defensible / untestable claim and declaring victory

Sumo if you don’t understand basic concepts like impartiality then I can’t help you.

There is possibly an Ofcom angle here too. 

Heh. Why not report it and see it upheld and then claim victory?

Asimov16 Jul 21 08:25

There is possibly an Ofcom angle here too. 

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retreats to a more defensible / untestable claim. *Declares victory*

What I mean is that GB News may believe that what the presenter did breached the Ofcom duty for presenters to remain impartial. They may be wrong on that. I wouldn’t know. Never looked at Ofcom in an detail. 

Jelly, one does not claim victory, one declares it. Keep up lad.

Asimov16 Jul 21 08:29

What I mean is that GB News may believe that what the presenter did breached the Ofcom duty for presenters to remain impartial. They may be wrong on that. I wouldn’t know. Never looked at Ofcom in an detail. 

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Yeah well I suppose that could be... oh hang on.... I recall a recent controversy that had you pineapple lickers up in arms

Britain Got Talent has been cleared of any breach of broadcasting rules after 24,500 people complained about a Black Lives Matter-inspired performance on the ITV talent show.

so I guess we're back to.......

.......retreats to a more defensible / untestable claim. *Declares victory*

*hands tissue to “Asimov”*
 

*notes ratings of GB News hit zero (0) on a number of occasions this week*
 

*further notes Brillo is off to France again*
 

*chortles*

The spade pictured above looks decent. Is it a JCB one? 

The hilaires thing about people like Brillo is they get to the point where they’re so famous in their field they have no grasp of any of the nuts and bolts needed to do anything whatsoever. There’s a massive structure and history at the Beeb behind what you see, and yes we all need reminding of that. 
 

It took Sky News years if not decades not to be a laughing stock. And that’s with the Digger’s backing. 

lol at GBN, the ultimate digital startup falling over before it can walk.

I have a JCB spade and garden fork. Really good. Thought it would be overkill but have loads of lavender bushes to dig out so glad I got it. 

heh @ the idea of ofcom getting involved over a presenter taking the knee

saying racism is bad is taking an unacceptable political stance. News presenters much remain neutral on the question of the goodness or badness of racism. 

I love lavender. Great for bees. I just don’t want my entire garden to be lavender. It’s an aggressive little fooker. 

Taking out a knee is quite common on hackney marshes.

The worst thing about all this is the phrase “take a knee”. Just fooking say “kneeling”. 

I think kneeling is both knees on the ground, this is more lunging 

 

What Vertigo said.

The success of GB News will be down to it upsetting progressive types and causing regular social media storms. At least until it stops being crap.

Upsetting progressive types and causing social media storms doesn’t make money. 

You sure? It keeps them on the agenda, when they'd otherwise be ignored.

remember more innocent times when people thought taking a knee was about showing support for the ruling family of Westeros?

Wot Sumo said.

Either they have a line or it or they don't.

I suppose the only exception would be if the presenter just randomly started genuflecting during a show about something else.

I think the reality is even most right wing types in the U.K. prefer to moan at “woke/pc” news than have to watch a poor mans Fox News - they prefer their right wing firebrand stuff to come from the popular press

Genuflecting. At last someone's started using the proper word. 

Guy Crouchback16 Jul 21 10:17

I think the reality is even most right wing types in the U.K. prefer to moan at “woke/pc” news than have to watch a poor mans Fox News - they prefer their right wing firebrand stuff to come from the popular press

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I think what has happened is that there are a few frothing nutters on the right and a few frothing nutters on the left who genuinely see some huge army of darkness in relatively rare and minor things

a fair few are probably on the government benches and hence the culture war thing that is credited with getting boris elected (when seriously look at what passed for the alterntive)

so someone went and set up a news show that was going to report on all this culture war stuff that the other networks were ignoring. It turns out though that the other networks weren't ignoring it it's just there isn't actually much 'war' going on and GB news can't produce the product if it doesn't actually exist.

Getting worried about Ducks. May not be as sound as previously thought. Either that or he has been replaced by the enemy. 

It turns out though that the other networks weren't ignoring it it's just there isn't actually much 'war' going on and GB news can't produce the product if it doesn't actually exist.
 

I think this is right.

The content just isn’t there. You can see that in the attempt to make mountains out of molehills like “students vote to take down picture of Queen from common room”. Try as you might, most people just don’t give a fvck about something like that.

The culture war stuff works a lot better in the US because the spread of opinion is genuinely larger and you can get endless mileage out of issues like gun rights or abortion rights.

The content is already covered by loads of YouTuber one-man bands. No need for an expensive organisation to do the same thing. 

These culture wars are entirely artificial and of no interest to ordinary people. 

They're really only supported by the International Left (who find the idea of national unity abhorrent), the Loony Right (probably closet bigots) and hostile foreign actors like Russia (who want to create disharmony). 

You make good points about the culture war stuff but that would suggest the Mail would be less staggeringly successful than it is.    Or perhaps that is not what people actually like about the Mail but rather it is an accessible well written paper (I despise it but must admit it is very good at what it does - I have been particularly impressed at how it gets under the skin of the covid  stats in a way the supposedly quality press have not). 

I'd wager the circulation for the Mail would be just as high if it ditched all this stuff.

These culture wars are entirely artificial and of no interest to ordinary people. 

Hard disagree. People care very much what is taught in schools and what their employers do and the culture wars are alive and well in schools and business.  I got an email from Linklaters explaining which genders all the various flags represent during Pride Month one year for example. 

Guy Crouchback16 Jul 21 11:39

You make good points about the culture war stuff but that would suggest the Mail would be less staggeringly successful than it is. 

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suspect it is easier for a paper to flash a mad headline and then write a bit of ambiguous drivel that contradicts it before flashing some pics of teenage girls with their knickers hanging out 

than it is to sit on a sofa for 20 minutes and discuss how a headline was actually a fairly minor thing?

like channel 5 probably have it about right with the wright stuff but to get a day and then follow it up the next day and every day or a rolling "I'm mad about political correctness!" news basis in the UK where it's generally 1 over zealous school or one company that a very american GC on staff you're probably going to struggle

jesus asimov just got utterly destroyed here didn’t he?

sad to see i’m starting to like the little fella

Amazing number of posts here which simply declare "my side won, the other side got beat".

Even if it was true, what is the point? Especially if it was true.

KG, absolutely monstered by jelly. Flying elbow from the top turnbuckle.

GBN seems more talked about than watched. One of Putin's least successful ventures and attempts to undermine and further divide the UK

GB News: "We expect our presenters to be completely impartial. Therefore a presenter saying they don't like racism is unacceptable."

Also GB News: Gives Nigel Farage a prime time slot.

What the bleeding heck goes through the mind of the people running this station !!!!

The public doesn't expect their presenters to be robots anyway. A small bit of opinion is inevitable and is no bad thing.

Love how a channel set up to pwn the outraged leftie cancel mob sacked one of its presenters after *checks notes* outrage from rightie cancel mob.

They seeded the channel with a few tame centrists to represent the 'alternative view' and are already purging them. It's like they forgot why they hired the centrists in the first place.